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Warning - Possible Damage from Impure Naphtha Contact

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lysergify said:
Ron, you seem to be at least a bit older than most of us on here; have you noticed any change in your memory capabilities over the years?
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No memory problems have been noted recently, but SWIM used to have trouble with short term memory when smoked marijuana heavily. After quitting, the memory problems went away. It took about 3 years to recover from it. Why so long? I have no idea. But it took that long. Maybe because one gets used to being mentally lazy from the marijuana, and gets into a habit of it even when not stoned. I don’t know. But after 3 years it cleared up. One thing is for sure, marijuana in combination with any good psychedelic like LSD or psilocybin caused extreme short term memory loss for SWIM.

Marijuana is known for causing short term memory loss. This is well documented. Studies on regular peyote users showed no such problems.
 
fnog9 said:
Evening Glory said:
I absolutely agree. I think the focus in here should be on food-safe solvents from now on. We now know enough about the extraction procedures to be able to develop food grade teks for next to any extraction. There's plenty of such solvents, we just need to research it.
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Is there any food grade solvent other than limonene?
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Other than limonene you can easily get food grade propylene glycol, glycerin, ethanol, water, corn oil, castor oil, DMSO, and a few others.
 
joebono said:
endlessness said:
But how can the investigator bias change the tests that were done in this investigation? The results are the results, the cognitive effects from ayahuasca regular use for these individuals has no relation to the investigator's beliefs.... Maybe you dont agree with the conclusions in the publication because that passes through the investigator subjectivity, but fact is that for the subjects tested there is no cognitive impairment.

What part of the research design do you feel is problematic?
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Let's say highly intelligent, well meaning, anti-drug people were to devise tests to determine the impact of psychedelic use on Native Americans or Ayahuasca users. I would be curious to see their results and hold their conclusions with the same skepticism that I hold Mckenna's, Halpern's and the gang. I would also be curious to see highly intelligent people who have no strong opinion about psychedelics either way study this. I guess I want to hear different sides of the story. Because science and all the experts cannot definitively tell us whether eating eggs is beneficial or harmful in this late day, I really have no faith that they can tell us anything certain about psychedelic use. Everything seems so damn squishy to me, Endlessness.
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Well im not saying I wouldnt like to see more tests done, because I would, by whoever it is as long as its well made research.

But my point is, if you worry about investigator bias, then it shouldnt be an ad hominen kind of argument but it would only make sense (imo) if it is a problem that is in some way translated to the research design. For example when I see some problematic research that was funded by the FDA talking about the damage of certain drugs, I might find it problematic because of the sample/subjects tested, or because of the dosages given compared to normal dosages, or certain hidden variables I can think of that they didnt account for, because of the conclusions that might twist a correlation into seeming like causation, or whatever. But if the research design is good, it doesnt matter who is the investigator or who funded it.

Thats why im asking you, which exact part of the research design bothers you? If we are to be skeptical and critical, we need to have a basis for it, to have some criteria and sense in the criticism, otherwise its just being blindly reactive and opposing just for the sake of it, no?
 
You're right, it is an ad hominen attack (Socrates shakes his head). I don't have any broad problems with their research, but then if I were trained in that type of research, I might be able to suggest better, more accurate tests or tests that measure other more suggestive variables, but this is another logical fallacy. You are right that I am "blindly reactive and oppose everything for the sake of it." I really don't believe anything about anything and I suppose everything is bullshit or has well hidden bullshit in it even after careful study. Thanks, Endlessness.
 
High exposure to hexane which is a common ingredient in naptha can cause neurological problems. The good part is they are reversible. The other good part is similar solvents like heptane don't cause this problem. However these problems concern movement not memory.

If your having short term memory problems it could be a millions things but solvents is probably not one of them. There are lots of people who work with these chemicals on a very frequent basis (mechanics factory workers chemists etc).

You might be thinking too much into it.
 
When i cut back my use of cannabis some time ago, i did this partly because i was getting tired of the unwanted effects (like loss of short-term memory.)
But instead of regaining my memory it seemed like it got worse...

Perhaps we are not only becoming older, but also more aware. The more you become aware, the bigger the feeling of loss of memory?

btw i only really use mushrooms, and few times a year i take mescaline or mdma.
Many years ago i tried some of the other rc's like 2cb, 2ct2, 2ct7 etc.
So far i have never used dmt. or nafta for that matter.
 
I think two things are worth noting in this case:

Dried plant material is not the same as crystalline DMT. Dried plant matter will most definitely retain more naptha residue than glass of DMT crastals IMHO.

Also, are you really inhaling naptha? Arent you inhaling the combustion decomposition products of naptha, which would be mostly CO2?

And furthermore, how much could you really be inhaling if it won't evaporate in the first place?

I'm not denying that you might have tasted impurities, just some variables that seemed to have been lightly addressed if not at all.

Then again, one of the decomposition products of naptha (remember that naptha is a slurry of different short-chain alkanes, so the decomposition products would probably be even more varied), say, 2-methylpentanoyl, might be a potent short-term memory killer.

Of course, this is total speculation.

I would just use ethanol.
 
I'm not a medical expert, so interpret this however you want, but as a fire-eater, I inhale and swallow more naphtha fuel and vapor then it probably good for me, and I've never exhibited any memory-loss. Keep in mind I eat fire in shows at least once a week and have been doing it for a while.

If I'm not manifesting brain damage at this point, I can't imagine one instance of inhaling a little with with changa is probably not your problem.
 
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