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Was anyone here on the 60's counterculture scene?

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I want to add that today as a 60 year old, I can't even begin to describe how different my mind is than when I was 17. I just did not have these kinds of thoughts about the world then. It's two very different people. Also, although we were in the "free love" era, I wasn't living in San Francisco then, I was in the LA suburbs and I can tell you it wasn't all that "free" - - you had to work at it! Later, in 1970, I did move to San Francisco, but ironically, I was out of the scene by then, so again, no advantage to Old Scout!
 
heres a section taken from an interview with owsley I find relevant to the topic...


B: In those days, the orientation was more toward that mystical experience. Today it’s probably different, a lot of the kids don’t even have that framework that people had back then, because there was an intellectual tradition, people were writing books, The Beatles were singing about Magical Mystery Tour. There was a spiritual context for taking acid, and people shared information with each other about what to expect from the higher dosages.


O: I don’t think so.


B: More so than now!


O: You think so? I don’t know. I’m not out on the street anymore. But I did come across a very interesting program on television recently,. I just tuned into the middle of it. It was about techno. Basically it was about the acid scene, the modern scene: the music, acid, ecstasy, etc. It was an in-depth. Some techno is very good, some of it’s uninteresting to me, but some of it is so good, it’s amazing. It’s modern, complex, electronic music, and it’s usually done in real time by musicians. So it’s sort of like performances that resemble in some ways John Cage, Berlioz and Sobotnik. Real cutting edge, heavy duty. I’ve been thinking of trying to contact Phil Lesh about this, I was really impressed. It started in Goa.


B: With Goa Gil.


O: Yeah, it started in Goa, this whole thing.


B: That’s what Goa Gil claims.


O: I don’t doubt it. Some of the strangest parties I’ve been to here, and we’re talking 13 years ago, I went to a party that people who had come from Goa were running, and it was full of the strangest, heaviest, most psychedelic music. I was stoned myself, so I tried to find out later what records they used. They showed me this box full of records. I said what did you play, he said man I don’t know, whatever I thought was good at the time! There was a lot of African stuff, techno stuff, an amazing mix, and all of it was good. I didn’t connect the thing at all in those days. Until I saw the show the other night, I wasn’t really that aware of the depth of the scene. It looked like early Grateful Dead, looked like the Acid Test. Images of parties and people dancing, and freaking to music. It’s the same kind of stuff. It’s Acid Test stuff. So if somebody tells me: “You were doing this then, but they’re not doing that now”, I’d just tell them, you might not be in contact with the scene, but that scene is very much alive.
 
Very interesting. So Owsley thinks that psytrancers equate exactly to the Bay area freaks? Does anyone agree?
Does anyone think that the arty hipsterdom of London and New York could be said to similarly equate to the Warhol or beatnik scene?
If so, that would mean that the West/East divide was still with us in exactly the same form!
 
ohayoco said:
Very interesting. So Owsley thinks that psytrancers equate exactly to the Bay area freaks? Does anyone agree?
Does anyone think that the arty hipsterdom of London and New York could be said to similarly equate to the Warhol or beatnik scene?
If so, that would mean that the West/East divide was still with us in exactly the same form!

Found this thread while searching through old posts, a great read.

I think he's not talking about repetitive psy-trance music or parties here - that gets old quickly - but found the spontaneous/cutting-edge/primal/high-energy aspects of a good Goa-style party/doof to be exactly what they were doing circa 1965. This sort of experience/party/gathering/"happening" can't be planned out, I think; it's very spontaneous and simply "happens", like an expression of nature: "the spirit bloweth where it listeth". I bet the Eleusinian Mysteries had a similar quality to them, but of course no one knows...
 
lyserge said:
I think he's not talking about repetitive psy-trance music or parties here - that gets old quickly


"If you think it sounds repetitive, then you're not listening." ~Daniel Bell

he's talking about the live performance aspect, changing parameters in real time. Have you ever seen a Rabbit in the Moon performance, or Eat Static? They're pretty spectacular.
 
benzyme said:
lyserge said:
I think he's not talking about repetitive psy-trance music or parties here - that gets old quickly


"If you think it sounds repetitive, then you're not listening." ~Daniel Bell

he's talking about the live performance aspect, changing parameters in real time. Have you ever seen a Rabbit in the Moon performance, or Eat Static? They're pretty spectacular.

RitM not my thing, Eat Static ok. I've been to a couple of US based psy/trance events and found the music a little much - 140 or 160 bpm blam-blam-blam for an entire weekend gets tiring quickly for the old lady, even with earplugs. Didn't find that sort of music to have the "rawness" or "juice" or "spark" or "magic" hinted at, where it's like the atmosphere of the event seeps through the seams of the universe, and the "music plays the band" as the saying goes. There are analogies with jambands as well - sometimes what comes out of those seems like pointless rambling (as critics would say), other times it's right on the cutting edge. Sitar and tabla concerts also can have either of these qualities. That's my .02 anyways.
 
plastikman parties of the early 90's were also epic, where hawtin would wrap abandoned Detroit warehouses in black plastic and proceed to drop jaws with 303 and 808 onslaughts. Early 90's rave was the prime of the stateside scene, folks from across the pond had declared that the scene was already dead. And then there were the global events called Earthdance..
it didn't always have to be either traditional hippy kumbaya, or bleeps and blips...it was always about the vibe.
 
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