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I have been getting excellent results from Cyb's Hybrid Salt Tek using plain everyday buy-it-in-your-local-supermarket white vinegar.
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What acid is best for extraction?
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amen to that bro!
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dmt_spider said:
Hey Spider that's great to hear.
You know i just read about vinegar, and White Vinegar is basically distilled vinegar, known also as spirit or virgin vinegar...just read Wiki.
Ok, now i have confirmation my vinegar is good to use, time to remove the Mimosa bark from the freezer one last time and get to work.:thumb_up:
This would have to be the best available vinegar in Oz. Just found this.
Sorry about the photo, tried everything to get it to right way up....weird..:shock:
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When i found my White Vinegar, i found bottles of Lye Water which i had never seen before, so basically they were either just liquid sodium carbonate and potassium carbonate, or a mixture of the two.
They had so many different types of vinegar, couldn't believe it.
They had so many different types of vinegar, couldn't believe it.
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If it's actually "Lye Water", then it should be a solution of sodium hydroxide and water. I have never heard the term "lye" used to describe anything other than sodium hydroxide.Tranzcentral said:
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Yeah weird i thought also, i was expecting sodium, but yeah sodium carbonate in a bottle called Lye i've never seen before.
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That's very strange... And kind of misleading as well. I imagine people have probably purchased that stuff expecting it to have lye in it (with good reason since it's in the name), and then come to find that it actually just contained sodium carbonate and no lye at all. :roll:
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Alka LYE? Alkali... = Al kali -> kalium = potassium (hence symbol 'K' for potassium) - if that makes any sense to you!
Possibly 'lye' once referred to any alkaline ash extract used for soapmaking, and has only come to mean, more specifically, sodium hydroxide since that time.
Possibly 'lye' once referred to any alkaline ash extract used for soapmaking, and has only come to mean, more specifically, sodium hydroxide since that time.
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al-kali = al-qily , "from the ashes"
[Middle English, alkaline substance from calcined plant ashes, from Medieval Latin, from Arabic al-qily, the ashes, lye, potash : al-, the + qily, ashes (from qal, to fry, roast; see qly in Semitic roots).]
alkali
Definition, Synonyms, Translations of alkali by The Free Dictionary
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Nice.
On that note:
lye
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1. The liquid obtained by leaching wood ashes.
2. See potassium hydroxide.
3. See sodium hydroxide.
[Middle English lie, from Old English lag; see leu()- in Indo-European roots.]
lye (laɪ)
n
1. (Elements & Compounds) any solution obtained by leaching, such as the caustic solution obtained by leaching wood ash
2. (Elements & Compounds) a concentrated solution of sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide
[before 900; Middle English lie, ley, Old English lēag, c. Middle Dutch lōghe, Old Norse laug bath, Latin lavāre to wash]
On that note:
lye
n.
1. The liquid obtained by leaching wood ashes.
2. See potassium hydroxide.
3. See sodium hydroxide.
[Middle English lie, from Old English lag; see leu()- in Indo-European roots.]
lye (laɪ)
n
1. (Elements & Compounds) any solution obtained by leaching, such as the caustic solution obtained by leaching wood ash
2. (Elements & Compounds) a concentrated solution of sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide
[before 900; Middle English lie, ley, Old English lēag, c. Middle Dutch lōghe, Old Norse laug bath, Latin lavāre to wash]
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Should i take a pic of these bottles i mentioned?
Their like so asian, and i live in a very asian populated area.:lol:
Their like so asian, and i live in a very asian populated area.:lol:
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Pretty much any acid will work, but it would be in the best interest to use something food safe. So this is why people usually use vinegar. I have also had success with extractions using food grade citric acid and fumeric acid.
These two dont give off a nasty smell like the vinegar does when boiling the plant material. The citric acid has some smell, but not as bad or potent as the vinegar. Just make sure the pH is correct, thats the part that really matters.
These two dont give off a nasty smell like the vinegar does when boiling the plant material. The citric acid has some smell, but not as bad or potent as the vinegar. Just make sure the pH is correct, thats the part that really matters.
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I was more than impressed with my second extraction using White Vinegar, i achieved more yield than using HCL that's for sure.
I hope no one minds me asking this here, but whats the deal with salting?
I've only ever done 2 extractions, so i'm a massive noob.:lol:
How does one salt out an already pulled solvent from the extract?:surprised
I hope no one minds me asking this here, but whats the deal with salting?
I've only ever done 2 extractions, so i'm a massive noob.:lol:
How does one salt out an already pulled solvent from the extract?:surprised
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Salting involves adding an acid to the DMT-containing solvent in order to either precipitate crystals of the DMT salt (FASA), or to dissolve it in an acidic aqueous solution and remove it from the solvent. Salting is only mandatory if using a solvent that will not work for freeze-precipitation and will not evaporate clean like limonene or sunflower oil, but it can be used with any solvent. People often salt their DMT out in order to leave their final product as salt of DMT (DMT fumarate probably being the most common), to be used for pharmahuasca or insufflation (a relatively uncommon method of ingestion for DMT). People also sometimes salt out their DMT for long-term storage, as DMT fumarate is more stable so it will not degrade as quickly as freebase. I am not sure of the shelf-life of other DMT salts, but I believe DMT HCl and DMT acetate are either very difficult or impossible to crystallize so they are not commonly used salts of DMT.
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Thank you for that.
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Tartaric acid is a good one to use it gives off virtually no odour and is very efficient in relation to the cost and ammount used. Chobeastie discovered it could even be smoked in the salt form with no differences to freebase in harshness or effect. Im surprised the thread got so little attention however I think storage of such a salt wasnt very practical and user freindly.
I know you're using mimosa, but for others reading, DO NOT use HCL for acacia, as it reacts with other compounds
Ethanol is one of the most efficient polar solvents for extracting tryptamine alkaloids, so you could add some of this to your vinegar+h2o solution (avoid 100% ethanol, as the tar may become soluble)
Ethanol is one of the most efficient polar solvents for extracting tryptamine alkaloids, so you could add some of this to your vinegar+h2o solution (avoid 100% ethanol, as the tar may become soluble)
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Ethanol, hmm thats good to hear thanks Shadow.
Yeah i wont use HCL again, but i must say it produced very clean spice.
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There are some advantages of citric acid. I assume it won't evaporate as it's usually a solid, hence no shift in PH with a lot of boiling.
