What do Do with this Mescaline extraction? Need Help

[mnirm]

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Hello Everyone! I need A little help with my mescaline extraction. I am using 69ron's food safe extraction. The amount of powdered cactus is 114gs. I am in the middle of the extract and am stuck on what to do next. Here is the situation:

In the beginning of my extraction I was not paying attention to detail and added the d-limenone to the powder before adding the water. I then added a little more than 300ml of water and it turned my mixture into some kind of hard gelatin. I Added more water, maybe 200ml more, and put it in my blender but the consistency was almost the same. I thought there might be too much water in there so I added 200ml more of the d-limenone and blended. It was still super thick so I decided to add even more water until it had the consistency of a thick yogurt. I dont remember how much more water I added but I'm guessing 300-500 ml more, bringing the total water to 800-1000ml and the d-limonene to 500ml.

After sitting for a day there was no separation at all. I tried putting it through a french press but the particle size was too small for the press to do any filtering. I figured that because of the added water and d-limo that the basification was diluted so I added and mixed in about 40g more calcium hydroxide in addition to the already 29g that was already in there. I have let it sit and there is still no separation. I was reading around and someone said to add more d-limo in this type of situation because it will pull the stuck d-limo out of the emulsion. I also read to add soda wash to it and it will convert some of the calcium hydroxide to lye and help separate the d-limo. I have 500ml of d-limo left.

If I add more d-limo and it still does not separate can I add the vinegar to the whole thing and decant the vinegar layer with a turkey baster or syringe? And also as a related question If I have a lot of vinegar can I boil it down or at least heat it up a bit via double boiling without destroying the mescaline? I know people boil cactus tea. Thanks Everyone for reading. I have been wanting pure mescaline for some time now and dont want this to be a waste! This is a great forum and I look forward to participation in this community.

 

[biopsylo]

it might be easier to answer if i could read your post


edit; sorry, my settings have a blue background


wait a minute, i dont remember 69 rons's tek utilizing a blender:?

you have a VERY difficult emulsion, and i am not sure what the best way to proceed will be.?

my first suggestion would be to stop using the blender.

possibly heat the whole lot in a double boiler to force separation.

if not then-

possibly adding lots of water and some KOH and treating it like a A/B instead of a limetek.:?:

^^this procedure worked ok to recover from the same senario with mimosa in a limetek.

 

[mnirm]

Thanks for the reply. Yea I guess I shouldn't have blended. It was just so thick it didn't seem like it was going to mix any other way..

What about adding the rest of the D-limo? Would that Help? And I If I add more water will the d-limo be separate from the water or will the water dilute the d-limo? How would the KOH act to help? And how much should I use? I appreciate your or anyone's help very much!

 

[biopsylo]

i would try heating it gently first in a double boiler, and then wait a few days to see if time will separate anything.

perhaps someone else has a sure remedy.

if you get impatient waiting like i did a couple yrs ago with a mimosa limetek, i added excess water then spiked the ph with koh, and the limonene finally came out of emulsion. it really was not a pretty technique. it took many jugs and lots of patience, but i did recover the goods.

it is a bit different with the cactus, but you still have a emulsion. i think patience will be the best option.

 

[mnirm]

Ok so I added some more d-limo, About 300 ml, and did a hot water bath. Looks like it helped just barely. I have almost 200 ml more that I can add. My question now is If I added more water when the layers finally separate will the water and D-limo be separate or will they just mix? Also Is it possible to add The vinegar without separating. And If I had to add a lot of vinegar could I boil the vinegar down or would that destroy any mescaline? I know it is a technique to boil cactus tea so maybe not.

I think also one of the reasons there is now separation is because I was able to powder my cactus extremely finely to the point where if you disturbed the powder some would float in the air like dust. Any input is appreciated I really want this to be a successful pull thanks.

 

[endlessness]

Ive never done 69ron tek but I remember reading people having success aiding separation by adding plenty of sodium carbonate to the mix. Sodium carbonate + Calcium hydroxide = Sodium Hydroxide. So the pH will raise considerably, and it should make separation easier? Just be careful because it will be caustic pH , use goggles and gloves.

Good luck and let us know how it goes

Def dont add vinegar now, separate the limo first, otherwise youll just make a big mess

 

[dg]

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not paying attention to detail

blender

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pay attention to detail!,

skip using a blender(you'll emulsify the heck out of it)

i'd dump it all out on a flat tray(s) and dry it all out
then start over, use much less base this time(as its already basic...)

gl