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What is a good beginner's entheogen ?
- Thread starter Neo Guado
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shrooms or acid.
2C-I 10-16mgs is rather gentle if you can get it.
4-aco-mipt is VERY gentle and one of the best RC's out there. Very hard to find now-a-days. I wish I still had some of this one left.
Mushrooms (P. Cubes, not phlisophers stones) 2.5-3.5 grams. If you can't get them, grow them.
Achuma (T. Bridgesii) or San Pedro cactus made into a tea or extracted with alcohol (9-12" of thick cactus) be ready for a long day/night though this will last a good 10-12 hours. Many vendors have this in stock. Bridgesii is my favorite though.
4-aco-mipt is VERY gentle and one of the best RC's out there. Very hard to find now-a-days. I wish I still had some of this one left.
Mushrooms (P. Cubes, not phlisophers stones) 2.5-3.5 grams. If you can't get them, grow them.
Achuma (T. Bridgesii) or San Pedro cactus made into a tea or extracted with alcohol (9-12" of thick cactus) be ready for a long day/night though this will last a good 10-12 hours. Many vendors have this in stock. Bridgesii is my favorite though.
other opinions and suggestions are still welcome
magic clown
aka Slap Stick Sam
I cut my teath on shrooms and acid because that was what was available, thats what you did. But knowing then what I know now, I would never have bothered with acid. It can be kind and gentle but it can also get quite ugly. Many many people have been irevocably scared off all psychadelics for ever, after a first time on acid went bad.
I agree with Acolon 5 but would go further in that any molecule with 2C as a prefix in the 10-16mg range would be cool gentle and friendly place.
I would not be going anywhere near things with DO as a prefix as a beginner.
I agree with Acolon 5 but would go further in that any molecule with 2C as a prefix in the 10-16mg range would be cool gentle and friendly place.
I would not be going anywhere near things with DO as a prefix as a beginner.
magic clown said:
Yup, anything DOx is a disaster waiting to happen for a beginer...for one the amounts used are SO SMALL (.5-6mgs) that it is increadably easy to OD. Also unless one really wants to go on a 24-36 hour experience for their first psycadelic experience there are other materials that are better suited.
I found 2C-E to be a little too harsh, not really gentle at all. 2c-t-2 had a little too much body load for me.
2-c-t-7, 2c-c, 2c-d, and 2c-i were the ones that the wife and I enjoyed from time to time.
Any of the 4-aco subsitutued tryptamines in low doses are pretty good bets as well.
69ron
Rising Star
SWIM has to say that pure vaporized freebase bufotenine is a good beginner's entheogen for the following reasons:
* it produces strong visual and auditory effects but they don’t overwhelm you.
* it doesn’t produce any “mindfuck” at reasonable doses. It’s the “mindfuck” quality of things like ACID and 5-MeO-DMT that causes people to freak out.
* it only lasts 1-3 hours. So you don’t need to wait all day for it to wear off if you decide you don’t like it. ACID can take 8-12 hours to wear off. Shrooms can take 4-6 hours to wear off.
* it doesn't cause ego loss like LSD and 5-MeO-DMT can. Ego loss can be terrifying to some people.
* it doesn't cause much slowing of time effects like DMT and LSD are known for. This effect can be freaky for some people.
* it has mild aphrodisiac effects after the peak hits, so your girlfriend is likely to enjoy it too even if she never does it
SWIM has tried all the major entheogens. Vaporized freebase bufotenine is the mildest and friendliest and most visual of them all. However, it has some body load, especially for some people sensitive to it’s Viagra-like effects which can cause tension in the body or even headaches. SWIM doesn’t get those effects from it. The come-up is a little uncomfortable for the first 1-2 minutes. This is also the case for peyote, ayahuasca, and many other entheogens, but this uncomfortable phase usually lasts 30 minutes or so with the others. It peaks at 10-15 minutes with some really intense visual and auditory effects. You’ll experience a very heavy trip without all the mental confusion and paranoia that so many of the other entheogen are known to cause. With bufotenine, the entire trip is pretty relaxed even at very high doses. For example, SWIM vaporized 30 mg and started seeing 3D shapes and objects floating around the room. When he closed his eyes he was transported into a fantastic world of pulsating colors and fast moving images, like a hurricane of visual imagery, he also heard imaginary music playing and people singing, it was very intense, but he felt calm and at ease with the whole expereince.
* it produces strong visual and auditory effects but they don’t overwhelm you.
* it doesn’t produce any “mindfuck” at reasonable doses. It’s the “mindfuck” quality of things like ACID and 5-MeO-DMT that causes people to freak out.
* it only lasts 1-3 hours. So you don’t need to wait all day for it to wear off if you decide you don’t like it. ACID can take 8-12 hours to wear off. Shrooms can take 4-6 hours to wear off.
* it doesn't cause ego loss like LSD and 5-MeO-DMT can. Ego loss can be terrifying to some people.
* it doesn't cause much slowing of time effects like DMT and LSD are known for. This effect can be freaky for some people.
* it has mild aphrodisiac effects after the peak hits, so your girlfriend is likely to enjoy it too even if she never does it
SWIM has tried all the major entheogens. Vaporized freebase bufotenine is the mildest and friendliest and most visual of them all. However, it has some body load, especially for some people sensitive to it’s Viagra-like effects which can cause tension in the body or even headaches. SWIM doesn’t get those effects from it. The come-up is a little uncomfortable for the first 1-2 minutes. This is also the case for peyote, ayahuasca, and many other entheogens, but this uncomfortable phase usually lasts 30 minutes or so with the others. It peaks at 10-15 minutes with some really intense visual and auditory effects. You’ll experience a very heavy trip without all the mental confusion and paranoia that so many of the other entheogen are known to cause. With bufotenine, the entire trip is pretty relaxed even at very high doses. For example, SWIM vaporized 30 mg and started seeing 3D shapes and objects floating around the room. When he closed his eyes he was transported into a fantastic world of pulsating colors and fast moving images, like a hurricane of visual imagery, he also heard imaginary music playing and people singing, it was very intense, but he felt calm and at ease with the whole expereince.
magic clown
aka Slap Stick Sam
Of all the 2C molecules, 2C-e is my favourite. Diffinatley one of my desert island dips. I am suprised you find it a little harsh Acolon 5. Never came across 2C-t-2 before, untill now, I was totally unaware of it. All the 2C molecules are pretty much of a muchness though, I can imagine pretty much exactly what it would be like and know I would like it.
Actually all the tryptamines in low doses, wether subsitutued with a 4-aco, 4-ho or 5meo are good bets. I know the 5meo ones are most commonly considered to have body load issues, but I can't imagine it at all concievable that anybody anywhere would not enjoy a little hit of 5meo MIPT.
I think ALL of these, when properly handled, are preferable to LSD for the beginner. I wish they had been around 20 years ago.
Actually all the tryptamines in low doses, wether subsitutued with a 4-aco, 4-ho or 5meo are good bets. I know the 5meo ones are most commonly considered to have body load issues, but I can't imagine it at all concievable that anybody anywhere would not enjoy a little hit of 5meo MIPT.
I think ALL of these, when properly handled, are preferable to LSD for the beginner. I wish they had been around 20 years ago.
swim favors trypts...DPT and psilocin are tops. never had miprocin (4-AcO-DMT), but read nothing but good things.
Panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms, the notorious 'blue meanies', are ridiculously potent. a few grams may have you seeing the elves climbing the walls.
Panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms, the notorious 'blue meanies', are ridiculously potent. a few grams may have you seeing the elves climbing the walls.
wow SWIMs favorite (and first) entheogen of all time is acid surprised to see so many don't really like it. anyway if the shrooms didnt do much eat more.
Mushrooms are in large doses way stronger then acid. When you take large amounts of acid, the increase of effects becomes less, when you increase the dose. So the difference in strength between 200 and 400 micrograms is greater then that between 400 and 600 and so on. with mushrooms, small doses have very mild effects, but with larger doses the effects are very spectacular. I agree that acid can be fantastic and extatic like nothing else, but it's not a mild drug. The best psychedelic to start with i can think of is hash or marihuana taken orally. You are probably already familiar with the effects. You have to stay abstinent for a couple of months, since the psychedelic effects wear of quickly. Then you take on an empty stomach something small and fatty, like a piece of cake or a pancake, with a large dose of cannabis in it. I would say one gram would do, but for others half a gram would be sufficient too. You will be amazed with how powerfull the experience can be.
I think LSA seeds might do as well, and they are available everywhere.
I think LSA seeds might do as well, and they are available everywhere.
Neo Guado
Rising Star
I cannot get my hands on 2C-e and such .Only what is available at dutch ''smartshops''
I am a regular marihuana smoker ,and tried spacecakes aswell and had some mild hallucinogenic experiences from them,seeing 2 dimensional shapes and geometrical patterns.
So basicly I'll try Psilocybe cubensis, as acolon_5 suggested.
But first ill look into it a bit more ,to get a better understanding of everything.
I am a regular marihuana smoker ,and tried spacecakes aswell and had some mild hallucinogenic experiences from them,seeing 2 dimensional shapes and geometrical patterns.
So basicly I'll try Psilocybe cubensis, as acolon_5 suggested.
But first ill look into it a bit more ,to get a better understanding of everything.
69ron
Rising Star
acolon_5 said:
Yeah, that would be SWIM's next choice other than vaporized freebase bufotenine. LSA is pretty mild as long as it's not converted to LSH with mint oil or sherry wine.
LSH is more freaky than LSD and can cause people to panic if they take too much. It has that alien quality to it more than LSD does. For example, with LSH you can be sitting in your own living room and it looks just like your living room but you can’t recognize it at all. It looks like someone else’s living room to you. You look in the mirror and you look like someone else. Your hands don’t look like yours. This can really freak some people out. Not to mention the shortness of breathe effects it has which can make people worried about breathing and get all paranoid form that.
SWIM likes LSD and LSH for the same reason. They have that alien effect more than any other psychedelics. It’s that alien effect that can really teach you about yourself and the world around you. By viewing everything around you as if you’re seeing it for the very first time, you can see things you’ve been blind to all your life. It can be very rewarding, and also be very scary. For example, let’s say your father is crazy and you never really noticed just how crazy he was. If you take LSD or LSH, you’ll see him for what he is without all your preconceived ideas about him. You may see just how crazy he actually is and get really depressed about it for a long time. It’s this side of LSD and LSH that usually leads people to bad trips and mental breakdowns. This is the power of LSD and LSH that makes it risky for some people. And that is precisely why I don’t recommend people use LSD or LSH as their first hallucinogen.
Hallucinogens like vaporized freebase bufotenine don’t have that alien effect at all and are therefore much safer psychologically.
I'm surprised to see so many suggestions of these 2C... chems as well!!
In 15 years of enjoying psychedelics and knowing lots of other people who are/were really into the whole counter culture lifestyle much heavier than even myself, I have never known anyone to even talk about 2C-anything!! Until I read about it in random places while researching DMT extraction.
Closest thing has been when a friend & I ordered HWR seeds once and made a tea out of them, that was 13 years ago though.
...And lots of LSD around that same time!!
If you don't mind my asking, in what situations do you run into these rarer entheogen?
WS
In 15 years of enjoying psychedelics and knowing lots of other people who are/were really into the whole counter culture lifestyle much heavier than even myself, I have never known anyone to even talk about 2C-anything!! Until I read about it in random places while researching DMT extraction.
Closest thing has been when a friend & I ordered HWR seeds once and made a tea out of them, that was 13 years ago though.
...And lots of LSD around that same time!!
If you don't mind my asking, in what situations do you run into these rarer entheogen?
WS
hi there.. I finally registered!! anyway, I beleive the situation for most is either a rave of festival or to just LOOK for it..... I ran into places to get them before I even found this site. Also I didn't think that 2c's were quite considered entheogens yet??? I was under the impression that entheogen specified the natural/ritualistic substances that seem to have a spirit... when I consume 2c's I really don't feel any ancient/primordial spirit, I do find them to be very very interesting compounds.. 2c-i for introspecting.. 2c-d for dancing.. and I really love 2c-b after the mdma peak for bonding.