What MHRB contains:

[lorax]

a friend has a 9 gram solid piece of dmt deprived jungle spice waiting to be tested further. is there any way of getting rid of the dmt-n-oxide from the jungle spice without destroying the rest?

 

[endlessness]

what about following the dmt n-oxide to freebase dmt tek with jungle spice

then one could separate the jungle spice from the freebase dmt by doing hot naphtha washes, and the resulting jungle spice would be free of any dmt and dmt n-oxide.. this could be interesting to know for sure if there really is some other unknown active alkaloid in jungle spice, or if the effects of jungle spice are only due to dmt, dmt n-oxide and some possible b-carboline in trace amounts (and other oils/impurities protecting the actives, preventing burning and making a more efficient vaporization)

 

[lorax]

has anybody ever tried snuffing the alcohol extract?

why do pulls with water after pulling with ethanol? are there some things in the bark which are soluble in water and not in ethanol?

how about not combining them but drying each seperatly?

do you think 50C will damage any of the stuff contained?

a friend likes to evaporate his things at 50C in the oven.

 

[Spiceman]

Hmm , I suppose i was wrong about the kokusaginine thing. I remembered having several conversations about this a couple of years ago on another forum and it was assumed ( my bad) that it was there. Ive looked into it and entropy is right. I couldn't find a single source actually saying it was in there . I dont know what that dude was talking about.

I am however glad to have that cleared up for my own peace of mind. That still doesn't acount tho for what the three things swim has isolated actually are. He believes one to be DMT oxide so that narrows the list. Lets go out on a limb and call the other yuremamine - what is the third tan waxy hard stuff? That has oral activity (bioassayed at roughly 500 mg capsuled) 2 x - and went through such radical changes over a period of weeks. Swim believes this stuff oxidized at a fast rate into something other than what was originally pulled.

Entropy alot of the info on this stuff is in your report , as it quotes alot of posts swim made about it a very long time ago. This stuff is somewhat tryptamine like in its effects after an extended period of time (weeks) exposed to the open air. However the first few days after the pull the only effects that can be found by smoking this stuff is an extreme body load , with no mental effects. To quote it as I did previously "its like being shot in the ass with elephat tranquilizer."

This by far is the most intriguing mystery that the bark has yet to reveal. Peace !

 

[burnt]

^^ fascinating stuff man. sounds like you have found some interesting bioactive compounds. its too bad this stuff is semi controversial otherwise SWIM would love to do detailed chemical analysis. again though could you provide some information on some of the physical properties of these compounds their solubility or how they were extracted. SWIM is ordering some new mimosa and wants to try and answer some of these questions for everybody. lets think of some experimental methods or extraction methods to do that.

 

[flyboy]

Well, on the non-scientific side, my friend has been experimenting with aya analogs using mimosa extracts of varying degrees of purity.
Taken with extracted harmala, he has found that a simple methanol extract gives a deep, long trip - ecstatic and euphoric, while pure crystalline DMT is more like an hour long smoked dose, fast and intense with an abrupt drop off.

Exactly what I have been saying, even without an maoi the pure white spice does not give the "plateau" at which time you can "Relax a little and communitcate with the beings"... there is no "little snake BEE in my head" guiding me to various locations in hypersapce... pure white is just flying through hyperspace without the guide and being let off on the runway full circle.. a round trip to a vacation spot without ever getting off the plane.

 

[endlessness]

^^ fascinating stuff man. sounds like you have found some interesting bioactive compounds. its too bad this stuff is semi controversial otherwise SWIM would love to do detailed chemical analysis. again though could you provide some information on some of the physical properties of these compounds their solubility or how they were extracted. SWIM is ordering some new mimosa and wants to try and answer some of these questions for everybody. lets think of some experimental methods or extraction methods to do that.

well as I said in another post, an easy way to eliminate both dmt and dmt n-oxide from it would be to first do one (or many) hot naphtha wash to remove dmt.. Then dissolve the remaining ´jungle´ in acidified water and mix with zinc dust (as in the dmt n-oxide to dmt thread), rebasify, extract again with toluene or so, do another (or many) hot naphtha wash to eliminate the dmt n-oxide that became dmt with the zinc dust tek.. Then one would only have stuff that is NOT dmt neither dmt n-oxide..

then with the ´refined´ jungle spice, further tests could be made, such as bioassays, further solubility tests or chromatography or spectrometry tests if available.

 

[burnt]

^^ cool SWIMs friend of a friend will do some analysis in the future and report back. yea removing the DMT from jungle spice will probably help with the analysis.