when did DMT become commonly extracted?

[Swarupa]

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Can you share more please ?

I'll try explain as clear as possible... when i said psychedelics can purify the non-Self, i mean they can purify the mind/body, but they can't purify the Self (universal/higher Self)

In sober meditation i find i can easily access the Self through a practice of Self Inquiry but psychedelics are more turbulent & about purifying the non-Self, as they can't actually purify what is already whole & eternally perfect, the Self.

I can have great universal experiences on psychedelics but they can't really compare to sober meditation where you attune your mind to the Self, as the Self isn't tripping on anything or going on journeys anywhere, its just here as formless omnipresence. This can also been seen during a psychedelic experience but it hits home much harder & integrates into your life much more when it's seen sober.

Unlike Mckenna i don't see psychedelics as 'the way' into truth, i listened to an interview with him yesterday saying how he thought psychedelics are the missing link in sadhana, but i honestly don't think thats true, sober meditation (maybe if your fortunate enough) can take you there, or more like - leave you here

I'd still be interested in group psychedelic sessions like Nick Sand describes in those pdf's, sounds like a very supportive & beautiful environment to take DMT

'Where one or more are gathered in my name, there i am in the midst of them'

 

[justine]

Chronic -> Have you learnt this technique in group practice or on your own with books ?

 

[Swarupa]

Chronic -> Have you learnt this technique in group practice or on your own with books ?

I've been to Satsang where Self Inquiry is the main focus of discussion, other than that i've read lots of Ramana Maharshi who revived the teachings of Self inquiry in the early 1900's, then of i've course sat alone & meditated on the Self, which is the most necessary part of the practice.

They say that you hear the truth, reflect on the truth, then become the truth, that could be seen as group meetings to hear it from a living Buddha, then isolation to reflect on what you ahve heard, then total yoga (unity with god)

I think group dynamics & isolation both play their part in your own evolution of consciousness, having the support of a spiritually minded community no doubt helps, but then also at the end of the day you are left with your self so must find a place in you that needs no support or dependence on environmental factors that affect the body/mind, as ultimately we must move beyond body/mind consciousness.