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When magic9 went to the cactus farm...
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By the way. Picture #4 the bottom left round cactus is a Cylindropuntia subulata (I think) Picture #6 on the right is a myrtillocactus geometrizans (I've been wanting a nice big one for a while). Amazing grafting stock. The one on the left almost looks like a Trichocereus chiloensis. But i'm not completely sure.
The third photo down from top.. looks much like the cactus i recently bought from cactus farm..
Its fresh green flesh had little to no bitterness..
I thought to be a psychoactive ..T Peruvianus.. and was I wrong...
Even the cactus farm worker called it a ..[T Peruvianus] or [sanpedro macho] but it never had any bitterness..maybe very little..
I paid 45...plus tax for a non active peice of crap!:?:
The cactus was inactive!..
But just a year back i bought some great [san pedro macho ..[from that same farm...that was very strong trip.. consuming as little as three and a half grams of dried green flesh...
These active cacti were about three feet tall but kinda skinny and scarred...
And again they looked like T peruvianus...
Im in AZ and cacti stores and some farms are common...only next time i buy one im going to atleast check it for bitterness first..
The way I do this is just pinch off a tiny peice od cacti flesh with my fingernails and taste it right there in the store ..before I pay for it!]
I wish there was a better way to identify.. psychoactive cacti !
Its fresh green flesh had little to no bitterness..
I thought to be a psychoactive ..T Peruvianus.. and was I wrong...
Even the cactus farm worker called it a ..[T Peruvianus] or [sanpedro macho] but it never had any bitterness..maybe very little..
I paid 45...plus tax for a non active peice of crap!:?:
The cactus was inactive!..
But just a year back i bought some great [san pedro macho ..[from that same farm...that was very strong trip.. consuming as little as three and a half grams of dried green flesh...
These active cacti were about three feet tall but kinda skinny and scarred...
And again they looked like T peruvianus...
Im in AZ and cacti stores and some farms are common...only next time i buy one im going to atleast check it for bitterness first..
The way I do this is just pinch off a tiny peice od cacti flesh with my fingernails and taste it right there in the store ..before I pay for it!]
I wish there was a better way to identify.. psychoactive cacti !
Wow, what a great guy at the cactus farm! You truly are blessed to have met with such an incredible individual :want:
wait... has this taste test method worked for you in the past????[/quote]
[[i tasted the cacti after buying it...]]
I believe the farm worker may have also misidentified this cactus..
Or maybe some cacti are weak and some are strong...?
The taste test is the only way to atleast get an idea of what your buying...
Unless someone has a better way of identifing a active cactus?:|
please share!
[[i tasted the cacti after buying it...]]
I believe the farm worker may have also misidentified this cactus..
Or maybe some cacti are weak and some are strong...?
The taste test is the only way to atleast get an idea of what your buying...
Unless someone has a better way of identifing a active cactus?:|
please share!
All I know is ..if cactus is right ..and [very bitter] chances are higher that it is active...although bitterness is not a guarenty I admit...
Here is a photo of my bunk cactus below...
My bunk cactus was three feet high ..and this small one in picture [below] was growing near its base...the same cacti!
This is exactly what my non active cactus looked like ..a T peruvianus...
Does it apear like the cactus in your third photo above?..it really fooled me...
but never again !!:|
Here is a photo of my bunk cactus below...
My bunk cactus was three feet high ..and this small one in picture [below] was growing near its base...the same cacti!
This is exactly what my non active cactus looked like ..a T peruvianus...
Does it apear like the cactus in your third photo above?..it really fooled me...
but never again !!:|
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hostilis said:
This cactus was just ..[a small off shoot].. from bottom of two larger 3ft cactus..
After cutting it away from the two larger cactus..
I just buried it quick to keep it alive no dranige in bowl .I will transfer it to better container..
I think..Its inactive anyway../ i think..does it look like a T peruvianus/
Ez said:
Thats the name.[T.Cuzcoensis]!!!!
I suspect it may have been a T.cozcoensis..because it had no lable? ...
None of the group cacti it came from had any lables on them ..but the farm worker still said it was a T peruvianus...[it tasted like a cucumber..[ almost no bitterness!]
But today I went back to that same cactus farm and found smaller ones that were clearly labled ..
[T peruvianus]..
I then pinched off a tiny amount of the green skin with my fingers and tasted it..
It did taste more bitter than the bunk stuff i bought..
But still suspicious ....I instead I bought a small 12 dollar ..[trichocereus pachanoi] its only a little longer than one foot..[about 14 inches high about two inches thick ..a little thicker at base..
This ..[ T.pachanoi cacti].. looked at least a year or more old and was EXTREEMLY BITTER!
It also looked a little twisted and scarred...like it may have been stressed...
I read somewhere that stressed mescaline cacti can produce higher levels of mescaline and they often are skinny scared and twisted looking...and they produce more mescaline as a defense...
also younger cacti may produce more mescaline as a defense ?
Im hoping this one has atleast one good dose of mescaline in it but it is only about 14 inches long and 2 inches thick..but it is awfull bitter tasting !
Can small [T .Pachanois] be a potent cacti ??????:want:
Ill find out soon..
Don't let bitterness fool you. My PC pachanoi are bitter as all hell and they aren't active at all until you get into like the 5-10 feet range. And a plant being inactive is no reason to torture it with a moisture trap! 
You should definitely get it out of that fish bowl before it rots.
And younger cacti will have less mescaline I'm pretty sure. The alkaloids develop over time, so a little seedling isn't going to have very much mescaline in it. But it depends what you mean by smaller cacti. If it's just a small cutting off a bigger plant then I'm not sure. I doubt it would have more in it per 100g than a big old branch.
You should definitely get it out of that fish bowl before it rots. And younger cacti will have less mescaline I'm pretty sure. The alkaloids develop over time, so a little seedling isn't going to have very much mescaline in it. But it depends what you mean by smaller cacti. If it's just a small cutting off a bigger plant then I'm not sure. I doubt it would have more in it per 100g than a big old branch.
Ive read...That Some pachanoi cacti can be just as potent as T peruvianus.. but most are usually lighter in mescaline content ..[it can go up or down in mescaline content]..but it still can deliver a good trip..mescaline is mescaline]...just may take a little more cacti...
Here is my first acid water pull from my small panchanoi cacti i bought a few days ago..
The whole process of mescaline citrate went great this time as i checked the ph and was light on using citric acid...
The photos below are from my first evaporated salting pull...
The smaller pile on the right is close to the amount of citric acid i used in the water...
So compairing the size of crystals on the left means that something [else/] was pulled from the cacti..[hopefully mescaline]..
This is only my first acidic water pull!
Ill take two more pulls and see what i get..
Im impressed at how the extract scraped up into a very crystiline atractive white powder...
I know that there is some citric acid in it.. but its food safe and can be safely eaten..
This cacti was only about 14 inches high about two inches thick ..[kinda small] but must be atleast one to one and a half years old...
This small cacti may even be older than I think.. if it were left in a small pot long enough stunting its growth...
Some cacti are very potent in small packages..also it apeared ..small..twisted and scarred some and that may mean it was stressed .. [posibly causing increased mescaline content]
Hopepull thinking
anyway..
Any way these crystals dried within 5 hours beautyfully! and looks white like table salt..
I really didnt expect much from a panchanoi cacti that small and wont know till i test it...
The whole process of mescaline citrate went great this time as i checked the ph and was light on using citric acid...
The photos below are from my first evaporated salting pull...
The smaller pile on the right is close to the amount of citric acid i used in the water...
So compairing the size of crystals on the left means that something [else/] was pulled from the cacti..[hopefully mescaline]..
This is only my first acidic water pull!
Ill take two more pulls and see what i get..
Im impressed at how the extract scraped up into a very crystiline atractive white powder...
I know that there is some citric acid in it.. but its food safe and can be safely eaten..
This cacti was only about 14 inches high about two inches thick ..[kinda small] but must be atleast one to one and a half years old...
This small cacti may even be older than I think.. if it were left in a small pot long enough stunting its growth...
Some cacti are very potent in small packages..also it apeared ..small..twisted and scarred some and that may mean it was stressed .. [posibly causing increased mescaline content]
Hopepull thinking
anyway..Any way these crystals dried within 5 hours beautyfully! and looks white like table salt..
I really didnt expect much from a panchanoi cacti that small and wont know till i test it...
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Entheogenerator
Homo discens
starway, unless your pachanoi was previously identified as non-PC, I would reagent test that extract before ingesting any of it. At least then you'd have some idea what, if any, effects it would produce.
magic9, from my understanding PC pachanoi still contain several different alkaloids, just very little or no mescaline. Whether these alkaloids are active or not, I can't say. Heck I've heard reports of people ingesting Lophophora diffusa and feeling effects, just not the effects they would have felt had there been mescaline in the cacti. So the other alkaloids from PC pachanoi may be active, but they won't produce a mescaline experience.
I am convinced that the bitterness that it often reported with PC pachanoi is caused by the other alkaloids that are present.
magic9, from my understanding PC pachanoi still contain several different alkaloids, just very little or no mescaline. Whether these alkaloids are active or not, I can't say. Heck I've heard reports of people ingesting Lophophora diffusa and feeling effects, just not the effects they would have felt had there been mescaline in the cacti. So the other alkaloids from PC pachanoi may be active, but they won't produce a mescaline experience.
I am convinced that the bitterness that it often reported with PC pachanoi is caused by the other alkaloids that are present.
PC can be more active when taken as a whole form plant or tea than extracted pure mescaline appears to account for.
While not being known as particularly potent in terms of recover it can still provide powerful psychoactive experiences when ingested in quantities large enough, though they tend to be 2-4X of what some other clone may require.
While not being known as particularly potent in terms of recover it can still provide powerful psychoactive experiences when ingested in quantities large enough, though they tend to be 2-4X of what some other clone may require.
Entheogenerator said:
Entheogenerator....It was labeled as ..[T.pachanoi] and didnt say PC or non PC?
What do you mean by non PC or PC pachanoi?..????
What ever else is in the cacti that isnt mescaline.. shouldent be harmfull..should it?.. concidering so many reports of consuming san pedro tea...
In past..I have taken dried [sanpedro macho powder]..same as [T peruvianus]] in capsules with pudding and triped my head off [with little as three and one half grams of potent powder..and had very little short lived nausea.. no perging.. and great CEVs!
That day tripping.. i was on a bike ride..i call that the bicycle ride!
similar to Dr Hoffmans LSD bicycle ride!
True..These could be mostly other alcaloids that apeare as crystal with little mescaline ..but some mescaline should be present...
[I understand this].... so if I dont get much mescaline effect .. I need to find more potent cacti.. but again what does PC or non PC mean?
PC means predominant cultivar, which has little to no goodies. It is everywhere! Hence, predominant cultivar. Once you know what to look for, they are pretty easy to spot. Here's a good place to start; http://www.largelyaccurateinformationmedia.com/pedro/pedro_02.html
Entheogenerator
Homo discens
If I'm not mistaken, PC pachanoi often contains no mescaline at all. And when it does contain mescaline, it is not nearly enough to feel effects from a small cutting. Something like 10-15 feet of cactus might produce a good dose of mescaline...starway6 said:
The alkaloid content of T. peruvianus can vary pretty significantly as well. For the most part, I tend to stick to T. bridgessi and L. williamsii as sources of mescaline. These two species seem to be more consistent and reliable as far as alkaloid content, compared to other common mescaline-producing cacti.
