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where does the flouride go?

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breakMYhead said:
where's burnt when you need him...
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publishing exactly the kind of scientific articles you mentioned. While I'm not a fan of fluoride in the water and try to drink only bottled water (hooray for five gallon water deliverymen) I'm even less a fan of faux-scientific articles. Looking through the links provided didn't do anything but aggravate me and left me wondering why people even spend time publishing this drivel. There are conspiracies and the like, imo, don't get me wrong, but the "resources" provided do not form a stable foundation to make any claims along the lines of what's being said.

SB
 
breakMYhead said:
Researcher said:
Perhaps you should think before you hit "post" that people who post these things do so for a reason and instead of assuming they are morons, perhaps you should assume they've done some research into the matter and know a little about it.

Information on fluoride that you probably didn't read
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that 'article' backs none of these claims up. it's easy to fins websites and articles to back up these claims, yet fail to provide any evidence.

to prove it you need to back it up with scientific articles with studies that show that in the concentrations that fluoride is found in tap water, it is shown to cause XYZ effects.


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The latest study done with regard to fluoride deposition in the pineal is attached. Briefly, the guys examined fluoride deposits in the pineals, muscle and bones of old cadavers and the result is that the pineal does accumulate in the pineal by age at a faster rate than in the rest of the body (in this case, muscle and bone)

Now, this does say something about the pineal and fluoride. In the light of these results the the authors hypothesise that fluoride deposition may be detrimental to the pineal function and the status of fluoride must be reconsidered. In addition, there is evidence from previous publications that fluoride presence in the pineal can change its function. To the better, to the worst we really do not know.

It is very easy to see how these finding can be extrapolated to fuel all sorts of crazy (or sane) theories. These studies however have multiple interpretations. It can be that fluoride deposition in the pineal is a natural process that occurs by age. One also needs to do further studies comparing the fluoride deposits in high fluoride intake vs low fluoride intake populations. In practise, our current knowledge on the whole pineal-fluoride things does not draw a good (or even average) picture and thus I believe that there is no need to be alarmed, but just stay aware of the situation.
 

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breakMYhead said:
that 'article' backs none of these claims up. it's easy to fins websites and articles to back up these claims, yet fail to provide any evidence.

to prove it you need to back it up with scientific articles with studies that show that in the concentrations that fluoride is found in tap water, it is shown to cause XYZ effects.


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It's not an article, it's a collection of various pieces of information about fluoride. The documentaries at that link provide even more. The other links provided tell the a tiny part of the story of who "they" are, which is a different topic but someone asked.

We know fluoride is toxic. Dr. Mullenix study on fluoride neurotoxicity, toxic effects of fluoride
We know that it may help teeth, so it's in toothpaste. Fluoride prevets tooth decay
We know many people oppose water fluoridation, even government scientists. EPA workers union against fluoridation and scientific studies on the dangers of fluouride
We know that many doctors agree that fluoride is dangerous. link

So the question is if it is indeed good for teeth why is it in the water and not just toothpaste? And even if putting it in the water is beneficial it is mass medication and no one has a right to put medication into the public supply.
 
Hmmm.... It seems that you missed the point of my post. In my town we don't have flouride in our water. How did we foil the ruling elite multinational affiliated eugenic promoting world dominating rich powerful "they"? Well, someone (not me by the way, I read shitloads of flouride studies, and I don't believe it is the root of all evil) started a petition and convinced enough other people and WOW! Just like that, no more flouride!:shock:

I don't give a rat's ass if ther is flouride in my water, but someone else did and they didn't bitch about it, they DID SOMETHING.

That was the point of my post.

In these enlightening days of the internet, one can find a written report to support any half-assed theory about anything if one chooses to look, so posting endless links about flouride and world domination will not get very far with me. I don't care about flouride (or world domination by "Them" for that matter). I just wish people would do more than peck away at their keyboards if they really believe that crap.

Pokey the Dominated (by flouride swilling eugenic promoting world dominators)
 
Pokey said:
Hmmm.... It seems that you missed the point of my post. In my town we don't have flouride in our water. How did we foil the ruling elite multinational affiliated eugenic promoting world dominating rich powerful "they"? Well, someone (not me by the way, I read shitloads of flouride studies, and I don't believe it is the root of all evil) started a petition and convinced enough other people and WOW! Just like that, no more flouride!:shock:

I don't give a rat's ass if ther is flouride in my water, but someone else did and they didn't bitch about it, they DID SOMETHING.

That was the point of my post.

In these enlightening days of the internet, one can find a written report to support any half-assed theory about anything if one chooses to look, so posting endless links about flouride and world domination will not get very far with me. I don't care about flouride (or world domination by "Them" for that matter). I just wish people would do more than peck away at their keyboards if they really believe that crap.

Pokey the Dominated (by flouride swilling eugenic promoting world dominators)
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The water in my county is not fluoridated, so it doesn't really matter to me either. Since this is a discussion about fluoride I posted what I know about it. You asked for scientific evidence of it being dangerous and I gave you a medical study stating that it's dangerous. You dismissed it. That's ok, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I know what I know, and most of it doesn't come from the internet. So case closed. No one is bitching, just stating facts. If you think it's pointless to alert people to the dangers, well, what can I say? If you don't give a "rats ass" about drinking toxic waste that's fine with me, drink away.
 
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So the question is if it is indeed good for teeth why is it in the water and not just toothpaste? And even if putting it in the water is beneficial it is mass medication and no one has a right to put medication into the public supply.
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I do agree with this statement.

but there is so much crap published as articles reporting on 'science' that you really can't take it at face value. Infundibulum's above post shows why - what you have is an immediately alarming result, but that until you know the mechanisms under which those findings occured - all sorts of theories can be thrown around as if they were real science.

just sayin' is... always read the science from both sides - and know how easy science papers can be reported on in ways to fit people's agenda's. im not that great at this myself... and it's certainly great that we have a few scientists here that throw some balance in once and while.
 
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