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Why cant I get nice white spice ?
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i also had several failed attempts at making super pure white sacrament
although i have to say, it does not need a high temperature to vaporize and the smoke is not harsh at all. But i have smoked several kg of smokables in my life for sure, may be different for virgins.
Ok so the lye seems not to evaporate and the pipe is full of brown goo. Sometimes the faintest of metal tastes can be smelled as i use a metal sponge for flavor.
On the other hand, taking a big toke, i cant help but think i poisoned myself with lye or metals. Rationally i think this has more to do with the peculiarity of the substance and an onsetting anxiety, but like i said, in those situations you better be sure you did made everything as harmless as possible. It is afterall quite a deathlike thing.
polar wash the naptha i hear is good. Although the last time i did it there was only a faint smell of death and flowers left after evap.
A friend suggested one should just pour some vinegar over the unclean sacrament to make an acetate and neutralize the base. Dont know how well that works for smoking and oral consumption.
although i have to say, it does not need a high temperature to vaporize and the smoke is not harsh at all. But i have smoked several kg of smokables in my life for sure, may be different for virgins.
Ok so the lye seems not to evaporate and the pipe is full of brown goo. Sometimes the faintest of metal tastes can be smelled as i use a metal sponge for flavor.
On the other hand, taking a big toke, i cant help but think i poisoned myself with lye or metals. Rationally i think this has more to do with the peculiarity of the substance and an onsetting anxiety, but like i said, in those situations you better be sure you did made everything as harmless as possible. It is afterall quite a deathlike thing.
polar wash the naptha i hear is good. Although the last time i did it there was only a faint smell of death and flowers left after evap.
A friend suggested one should just pour some vinegar over the unclean sacrament to make an acetate and neutralize the base. Dont know how well that works for smoking and oral consumption.
smokerx said:
You shouldn't be loosing anything in a good recrystallization. If your weight is dropping then you didn't have that much to begin with initially. Could be impurities or it could be bad technique. If you freeze precipitate always save your solvent for the another pull...hell save it for the next extraction.
Peace
smokerx
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joedirt said:
It definitely looks like I am doing something wrong here. I guess its part of extraction and also the recrystallization.
If you or anybody else could write up the best tek ( your tek that always work ) around for recrystallization using naphtha.
thank you
The person that does the extractions I've had has a dead simple method.
He does two ReX's.
1) Re-dissolve in Naptha and puts a fan blowing over it until the solution just starts to cloud up and then tosses it in the freezer (covered) for a few hours....or over night. Then filter and save the NP for the next pull. Honestly I doubt it's necessary to use the fan, but he likes to do it that way as it speeds things up.
2) Re-dissolve in approximately the same amount of fresh solvent as you just removed it from. In this step you can heat it a little to get it all into solution. Then place on the counter (covered) until room temperature. Then put in the fridge (covered) until fridge temperature and then toss in the freezer (covered) over night.
When removing from the second ReX he likes to knock loose the crystals and then filter with a handheld vacuum filtration device. The remaining crystals can be captured by letting the ReX vessel fully evaporate.
The spice he generates usually has two qualities. The bulk is pure silky white and comes from the crystals that were knocked loose and captured during filtration...and the second, minor product, was captured after the remaining NP was evaporated from the dish....this minor product has a very slight tint of yellow.
He does two ReX's.
1) Re-dissolve in Naptha and puts a fan blowing over it until the solution just starts to cloud up and then tosses it in the freezer (covered) for a few hours....or over night. Then filter and save the NP for the next pull. Honestly I doubt it's necessary to use the fan, but he likes to do it that way as it speeds things up.
2) Re-dissolve in approximately the same amount of fresh solvent as you just removed it from. In this step you can heat it a little to get it all into solution. Then place on the counter (covered) until room temperature. Then put in the fridge (covered) until fridge temperature and then toss in the freezer (covered) over night.
When removing from the second ReX he likes to knock loose the crystals and then filter with a handheld vacuum filtration device. The remaining crystals can be captured by letting the ReX vessel fully evaporate.
The spice he generates usually has two qualities. The bulk is pure silky white and comes from the crystals that were knocked loose and captured during filtration...and the second, minor product, was captured after the remaining NP was evaporated from the dish....this minor product has a very slight tint of yellow.
smokerx
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joedirt said:
so if I understand it right first rex is done with room temperature naphtha ( how much ? ) just mix it and put in freezer then filter with coffee filter ? leave the spice in the filter to dry out ?
what I do is to remove naphtha and take all the spice out and put it on glass and leave to dry out.
then second rex he used hot naphtha right ? and than leave out till temp down , then fridge ... and freezer
smokerx said:
The goal should always be to use as little Naptha as possible. And yes let the spice dry on the filter papers. You could still use cold Naptha for the second rex, but you'd have to use more of it to get the crystals to dissolve. He uses as little as possible because most Naptha has toxic adulterants in it. This is why it's crucial to freeze precip with Naptha...at least with the Naptha he uses. He once tried to just evaporate the Naptha and the final product was a greenish color...required several ReX's to get rid of. His conclusion is never evaporate Naptha all the way down with product unless you know the naptha has no adulterants in it.
The last steps of slowly cooling are for growing nicer crystals more than anything else.
For what it's worth it should be pretty damn pure and pretty white after the first ReX.
When I first heard of DMT, back in the pre-WWW days, it was described as, `a brown, waxy solid which tastes and smells like burning plastic.' I have some stuff like that (a combination of gunk which fell out of a late wash and some which was left in a desk drawer for too long)--it tastes very nasty.tele said:
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smokerx said:
Well I don't really follow any tek anymore. When you've done this several times you don't need the recipe anymore. I don't even remember what A/B tek I followed at first.
I just do an acid soak with vinegar and then I simmer the acidified bark solution for a short time, maybe 20-30 min max. Then I cool it down, basify with lye and pull 3-4 times with heptane.
Get around 1.2-1.5% yeild of white pure spice after a sodium carbonate wash.
Tsehakla said:
Hmmm, it has been my experience that the ammount of yellow pulled has more to do with temperature of the naphtha/basic mhrb solution. It is common practice for many to warm up their jars while they are pulling spice with solvent. I have tested this and have found that temperature of solvent and not time in contact with the basic solution is the main culprit in pulling the yellow color. Is this a degradation/reaction due to warmer temps? or is the warmer temps allowing pigments/fats/oils/etc to migrateinto the solvent? I'm not 100% sure.
I can taste the difference in a darker orange or red jungle spice.
I can not taste the difference between a yellow and white spice, especially when vaped with my GVG.
IMO if you want white, then you should have white spice.
Good luck.
IH
Ice House said:
I agree that warmer -> a more yellow product. However, I have also noticed that even with room temp extractions, where the first wash pulls out translucent crystals, subsequent washes will yield a product with progressively more color. After seeing this consistently (with both room temp and warmed solutions) I adjusted my technique to use 40mL of NP for the first wash, 30mL for the next two, and a final wash with 20mL and have increase the proportion of white to yellowish product.
I am assuming that fats and oils would be pulled out of the slurry on the first wash, regardless of temperature, because those sorts of molecules are generally very soluble in NP solvents. IME, the literature I read about MHRB was right on with regard to it being a "clean" (as in not much fats/oils/other alkaloids) source of DMT.
So with q21q21's TEK, should one not heat the naphtha when pulling, if one desires whiter yield? However, doesn't colder naphtha pull less DMT out of the mixture?
PS. Anyone who's doing STB because they think A/B is difficult, read the q21q21's tek of "white dmt", it's way simple and effective
PS. Anyone who's doing STB because they think A/B is difficult, read the q21q21's tek of "white dmt", it's way simple and effective
smokerx
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DMTripper said:
this could be my next extraction tek . would you be so kind to give me some more info : lets say you gonna do 100g of MHRB how much of what do you need (water, vinegar, lye, solvent - is naphtha ok? cos you can not get heptane here.
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tele said:
I will definitely look at it and the other teks. I always do my research first. I did the same with rex but it just didn't come out as I would imagined
I liked DMTrippers tek cos it looks very simple.the way he put it sounded like making a cup of coffee I like simplicity
smokerx
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joedirt said:
I know what you mean. Before I did my first STB I thought how very difficult it was but now I don't need any instruction in front of me all is in my head. Next one will be A/B
By the way just red your pharma/changa experience report - perfect