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Why did we create the universe? Can't remember.

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jbark said:
Read God's Debris. (first link, PDF) Or better yet, buy it! But read it. Flawed, but really thought provoking, and a complete answer to this query.

Or, you could just stick with:

42

JBArk the creator:)
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This is no longer about a specific answer, but more of your own point of view.

jbark, what did you learn from the book (besides 42)? How do you view the Universe around you?

Maybe some people are indifferent, and remain happy being a part of the mystery.
 
Steely said:
jbark said:
Read God's Debris. (first link, PDF) Or better yet, buy it! But read it. Flawed, but really thought provoking, and a complete answer to this query.

Or, you could just stick with:

42

JBArk the creator:)
Click to expand...

This is no longer about a specific answer, but more of your own point of view.

jbark, what did you learn from the book (besides 42)? How do you view the Universe around you?

Maybe some people are indifferent, and remain happy being a part of the mystery.
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I guess what i have been getting at, rather indirectly and obtusely :) , is that the answer is a process known as living, and as such cannot be evaporated down to a simple phrase. WE ARE THE ANSWER. AND THE QUESTION:

42

(which happens to be my age, or, more precisely, my co-ordinates in the process)

JBArk the process(or)
 
I love pondering how complicated even the simplest things in life really are. The connection we have every waking second with millions of people around the world. A literal one too.

What it took for the universe to bring you together with the angry man driving along side of you is a lot more complicated than the reason he is angry.

Everything becomes astonishing and beautiful when you stop think about the life it has led in order for it to have gotten here.
 
Q1 - Isn't "why" a conceptual overlay? It simply is, isn't it?

Q2 - The spirits seem to shun sister, not sure if this is good or bad. Again, maybe it just is.

btw - really enjoyed the the "Deity and the Void" sent to a few friends

42 work for sister too, its right up there with "is".
 
...just thinking.....prolly doesn't have anything to do with the feminine aspect but more so with self....if you feel a shunning to your feminine side, it could have something to do with how you view urself or a scar dealing with the feminine aspect.....could be that you're frequently attending the journeys and need time to integrate in between..or maybe being shown to "tap into" it without an entheogen....or maybe they want you to move forward with what you've learned..i guess this could be the same as integration.. ......i'm sorry, it's just that the word "shun" just doesn't seem to fit with the spirits.. it just doesn't feel like the spirits feel that way and don't want you to feel that way..shunned .. phew, just the word makes me to feel it

love love love
 
i guess i'll take upon the question as, why would I create something, say Music. Why would i want to create a particular song?
No body knows for sure why this universe is created, but that's doesn't stops one from asking the WHY.
Coming back to the question, why would i create?
In order to live. Interact with life.
So i guess my answer would be and McKenna puts it nicely when he says something like 'we are like fishermen, goin out in the ocean, catching a mid sized fish of learning/understanding and bringing it back to one's tribe... so that they can learn and be aware and evolve.'
Atleast that's what i think about Budha, Jesus, Mohammad / all the great men in history we like to read bout. They became part of the solution and helped others around them.
We created the universe to live in it.
 
We each create our individual universe and the interaction of these individual Universes creates a collective Universe.
When I say "Universe" I mean the world of Human existance. Let's call it the Humanverse.

A good question is: Why did we, humans, create our Universe the way we did?
The answer to that is: Partially to support and care for Life and partially to meet the needs of Our Egos.
These 2 actually counter-act eachother and do not harmonise.
That Ego-part of our Humanverse is currently dominant and the balance is gone; All societies are for more or less 90% founded and run uppon Egoic needs.

Our Egos don't see any reason or motivation beyond shallow self-interrest. Our intuition has no problem seeing "the point" to existance and this Universe, but it cannot/willnot give those intentions any tangible shape. It doesn't need to. Intuition doesn't want/need to be understood rationally, it wants/needs to be lived, experienced.

For this to be possible, we'll need to dissolve our Ego first; For it will never let this happen.

Understanding Life's purpose is an experience, not just another piece of Knowledge.
 
Hi Ska! I like that last line you wrote about how understanding life's purpose is an experience. I think I just had one of those, today while smoking changa (3 hours ago). I think normally I don't smoke enough. This time I smoked quite a bit, hard to say exact DMT content because there's the powder vs. the twigs etc.

Anyway I understand a lot more now (I think) than ever before about the nature of the universe. I think our souls are mostly well reflected by our brains in terms of our limitations. What I was told is that we come to this planet of our own choosing, either because the spirit world is too painful for us, or because we want to help others advance. And it is hard to advance while in the spirit world, because advancing has no meaning once time has no meaning. So we come to the 4th dimension (on Earth) in order to be able to advance in terms of our consciousness.

Before DMT, I used to think that destroying Earth would be a good idea because we've fucked it all up and most people are suffering, so on the whole, it would be best if it simply did not exist. But now I feel like, if we destroyed Earth, we'd still want to come back to the 4th dimension, perhaps on another planet that we'd have to get used to/re-evolve on, or even wait until a new suitable planet was formed, perhaps billions of years from now.... though to us in the spirit world (hyperspace) perhaps these billions of years would not even be perceived....

I understand now why Karma is not some kind of reward/punishment system as I thought before when I poo-pooed it... it is simply the natural way of things. If you hurt others, well, you may not feel any pain from that now, and maybe never directly, but at some point you will be advancing to a higher level of consciousness, and when you do, you will be sorry for what you have done, and you will want to atone for it. Of course, this does not explain what exactly is hurting other people. I mean, if I had to kill one person to save ten, I don't know if that would be bad or good karma, though my logic says it would be good in most cases.

I have a more nuanced understanding of the value of suicide now. I think suicide has benefits and drawbacks. The benefit being you get to start life again without having all of the memories of trauma from your current life, even though you may still have some bit of their imprint on your soul. The drawback is that you have to waste a lot of time just to get to the age where you can begin to think about philosophy, and how to make your life meaningful, etc, and plus there's no reason to think that your next life will surely be any better than this one. So in most cases it seems wise to try to figure out this one, but I won't say in all cases...

Anyway I had a lot more epiphanies, and perhaps it is all just fantasy and hogwash, but I'm beginning to think it's not...
 
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