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Here's a background: Prior to this experience, I had never done psychedelics before. I had done mushrooms one time, but ate such a small amount that I didn't have anything close to a trip. I had smoked a TON of weed in my life, and I had done dxm about 20 times. The dxm was the most life changing thing I had ever done. It made me into an open minded, tolerant person with a positive outlook on life. It stripped me of my insecurities. Cannabis was mildly introspective for me, but I really only smoked because I thought it was fun. I thought of myself as somebody who could handle large doses of psychedelics prior to this experience.

A couple months ago, I smoked DMT for the first time. It was sandwiched between some bad pot in a bong, so the weed didn't affect my experience in the least. I used a torch lighter, which I heard would keep the DMT from scorching, which would in turn increase the amount vaporized. I took four massive rips, the first two, I inhaled then quickly exhaled. The third one, I held in for about 4 seconds, and the fourth one, I held it in as long as possible, so for about 20 seconds. as soon as I took the fourth hit, I fell back on my couch and could not speak, or think, or really even move. I just laid there and had a lot of double vision, and some aztec-looking distortions. I then was overcome with joy, but I didn't know why. The joy probably lasted for about a minute, then I felt myself coming down. The comedown felt like mescaline crossed with mushrooms, but a high dose of both. I felt very heavy and stoned, but not a weed high. I just felt weird.

I was disappointed at the experience because I didn't experience any complex emotions or thoughts. In fact, I had no thoughts at all. I never felt like I was dying, or that I had overdosed, or any scary thoughts like that. The experience was less life changing than smoking pot one time would be.
 
What did you smoke it out of? If you let the torch hit the spice than you burned it up and you would only get the effects you talked about.... Also , the first hit really seems the be the most important..... gotta get a nice big VAPED hit, and hold it for 30 seconds....

So you definately didnt hold it in long enough and you probably burnt it......
 
SWIM's brother seemed to have a similar experience. Not claiming anything or accusing, just noting, he is a diagnosed schizophrenic (not parnoid variety though) you would have no idea meeting and talking with him though.

Anyway he smoked a full 50mg and just said "the visuals are intense" he seemed very gone but he assured me there was nothing close to a breakthrough. To date he hasn't tried it again, his fiancé is very particular about his usage since he is a previous careless psychedelic user, almost addict.

SWIM's first strong experience was filled with emotions and craziness so he can't empathize directly, nor can he suggest a solution since his bro has yet to find one. You could however look at numerous forums about "trouble breaking through" Many are about smoking technique but there is sure to have some useful info in them. (SWIM's only seen the topics, never read)

good luck!
 
Big Inhale said:
How do you know what a high dose of mesc and mush feels like if youve never tripped?
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Since then, I've tripped mushrooms/cactus 4 times each
 
lonewolf123 said:
What did you smoke it out of? If you let the torch hit the spice than you burned it up and you would only get the effects you talked about.... Also , the first hit really seems the be the most important..... gotta get a nice big VAPED hit, and hold it for 30 seconds....

So you definately didnt hold it in long enough and you probably burnt it......
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I smoked through a 2 foot bong, with no extra cooling or ashcatcher or diffuser or anything like that.

I smoked according to my friend's instruction. He's smoked about 30 times, and he said it was the way that affects him the most. I held the torch about 2 1/2 inches from the bowl, so I think the problem was that my first hit wasn't held in long enough.

thanks
 
there's no point in using a torch for this, you want a bic for optimum results. Torches only make sense when youre heating a ceramic heating element or glass. Your problem was most likely not that you didnt hold it in, but that this torch wrecked the spice. Believe me, i am THE proponent of the crackpipe and torch method, here you DO NOT want a torch. For open bowls (pipes, bubblers, bongs, etc) joints, chillums, one-hitters, etc a bic is the way to go as youre heating the spice directly and not some element that will in turn heat the spice. For heating elements you want a torch to provide high levels of concentrated heat that you can easily control...

'nuff said
SB
 
Letting the flame touch the spice will burn it, regardless of whether or not you used a torch. Burning it renders it mostly useless, so you'd get some minor effects but not much. Also, it vaporizes very quickly, so like lonewolf123 said, the first breath is the most important. You won't be inhaling as much spice the second and third time around.
 
SnozzleBerry said:
there's no point in using a torch for this, you want a bic for optimum results. Torches only make sense when youre heating a ceramic heating element or glass. Your problem was most likely not that you didnt hold it in, but that this torch wrecked the spice. Believe me, i am THE proponent of the crackpipe and torch method, here you DO NOT want a torch. For open bowls (pipes, bubblers, bongs, etc) joints, chillums, one-hitters, etc a bic is the way to go as youre heating the spice directly and not some element that will in turn heat the spice. For heating elements you want a torch to provide high levels of concentrated heat that you can easily control...

'nuff said
SB
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So for smoking through a bong should i hold the flame at a normal distance like for weed? or do you think I should keep it more at a distance and pull really hard?
 
I have used a bong each time, with about .8 of a gram of DMT on top of a small amount of cannabis (to try and combat the taste). I used a bic lighter each time. I held the flame a bit further away than I would have if I were smoking a regular bong, and inhaled it slowly, but steadily enough to pull it all in one go. I have had what I would call a breakthrough each time. Hope this helped and best of luck.
 
I must say, I have only smoked DMT once, so my opinion may not count for much, but I used a glass Vapour Genie with a torch lighter and it seemed to do the trick. I had a very intense experience, though I didn't break through.

~BC
 
V1NC3NZ0 said:
I have used a bong each time, with about .8 of a gram of DMT on top of a small amount of cannabis (to try and combat the taste). I used a bic lighter each time. I held the flame a bit further away than I would have if I were smoking a regular bong, and inhaled it slowly, but steadily enough to pull it all in one go. I have had what I would call a breakthrough each time. Hope this helped and best of luck.
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Do you mean .08 of a gram? .8 of a gram would be 800mg or 4/5 of a gram. Whereas an average breakthrough dose that people here commonly report using is more like 50mg!
 
Had the same problem tonight with my bong. Tried 2 times. Each time the spice was sandwiched between Caapi leaves and I was using a bic lighter.

Still had no breakthrought. Had some weird visual and felt weird but no breakthought.
 
Just sounds like poor smoking technique. Heat with with the torch from a good distance, move it in slowly. You want it to vaporise not burn and that requires gentle heat. Also take one biig hit and hold it in for as long as you can (20+ seconds).
 
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