Why does eating acrb make you trip?

[stickiwiki]

Im used to mhrb and having to extract it to trip. ive never gone the extra step to take an maoi except passionflower and im really interested in syrian rue, but i dont want to make an ayahuasca tea because i dont want to drink any hot trippy liquid.

I feel like my stomach can handle eating a capsule of maoi and eating a capsule of dmt 30 minutes later and i also read that article on formosahuasca and it sounded right up my alley.

My questions are, do i have to extract acrb to trip? if i extract it can i just eat the dmt and trip, or do i absoloutely have to eat an maoi?

im just really confused and i just want to eat a couple capsules and ride the wave because im using it for meditation and i can just stop and smoke dmt while im in the zone.

Thank you all very much

 

[sarek]

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to ask; I'm guessing it's something along the lines of:

"If ACRB can be orally active without any additives, does that mean that performing an extraction on it will result in a product that is also orally active without the need for additives?"

I think this would depend on extraction method, solvents used, etc. I guess the aim would be to pull out DMT as well as whatever MAOIs seem to be in the plant, and be left with a single product that has both DMT and a chemical to potentiate it orally. I'm hoping someone else comes and answers this question because I'm not sure myself.

"do i have to extract acrb to trip?"

Definitely not. ACRB is active when brewed orally by itself, and is even more active if you were to brew it with something like Syrian Rue or Caapi vine.

Acacia confusa & Formosahuasca - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

This thread has a lot of info on ACRB brews

 

[jamie]

there is very little evidence to even suggest confusa is orally active IMO. I would like to see more than like one report etc..what if it is just the NMT people are feeling?

 

[stickiwiki]

Thats my fear is i dont know what nmt will make me feel like. i will extract and seperate the two. i guess im just going to start using it every which way to see what feels best for me. thanks for the responses guys and as soon as i get my acrb ill report back because its all new to me

 

[shanedudddy2]

Still worth starting on a low dose rather jumping to a high dose under the assumption that weak effects will be felt.
It's always best with drug trials to wet your toes before jumping in the deep end (kind of the opposite of what I do with a real pool though )
Best of luck. Normal pharmahausca makes me vomit, so I don`t think I could stomach confusa straight.
Post back with how you went.

 

[Apoc]

wtf? man up and drink the tea. i don't get this complaining about having to drink it. it's a gift from the earth. or extract or whatever you want, but please stop bitching or whatever about not wanting to drink a plant tea. you will have to take maoi whether you drink tea or extract makes no difference there.

MOD edit: Rethink your attitude

 

[shanedudddy2]

wtf? man up and drink the tea. i don't get this complaining about having to drink it. it's a gift from the earth. or extract or whatever you want, but please stop bitching or whatever about not wanting to drink a plant tea.

I don't believe he or she was, I think it`s better to be cautious when trying something new. Especially something which has little reported history. I have read few firsthand reports of straight confusa teas.

You will have to take maoi whether you drink tea or extract makes no difference there.

I believe there is some thought that confusa is active orally without an additional MAOI due to betacarbolines. I recall someone posted about this. Again, the only report I read did not sound like a firsthand experience.

Acacia confusa & Formosahuasca - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Bioassays (more details below):

5tbsp ground acacia root bark brewed ayahuasca-style without any additives: an overwhelmingly strong short (around 30 minutes) trip reminiscent of descriptions of smoked DMT - EROWID REPORT.

3tbsp ground acacia root bark infusion without any additives: soft psychedelic trance with rich mental imagery.

1.5tbsp ground acacia root bark & 1/2tbsp Syrian rue seeds infusion: a full-blown and rather overwhelming ayahuasca trip - EROWID REPORT.

<1tbsp ground acacia root bark & <1/2tbsp Syrian rue seeds infusion: a softer ayahuasca trip, with a more intense episode later on triggered by eating a light meal.

 

[Jin]

Thats my fear is i dont know what nmt will make me feel like. i will extract and seperate the two. i guess im just going to start using it every which way to see what feels best for me. thanks for the responses guys and as soon as i get my acrb ill report back because its all new to me

now since you're consuming tryptamines , why separate the two just consume it

it will all add something to it

 

[TOXSIN]

Having not specifically tried ACRB I can't speculate on that specifically but I've read reports in the past of people having just brewed a tea of like 20G of MHRB and having an oral non MAOI experience but I've never personally tried this either, always used 2Grams of syrian rue and 100 MG of dmt freebase for oral trips and had a great time.

 

[8x8state]

6g of ground acrb in a cup, added lil vinegar just enough to make a paste
left it for half hour added boiling water just enough to make it free flowing,
I then added a tea bag with stomach calming herbs in it, this particular one
Was a yogi tea brand called stomach ease,and let it brew for an hour..
Toped up with ribena cordial(blackcurrant concentrate) cos i heard it makes it stronger
and drank. Mmmm.
Previously about 30mins before, had also used a mild vinegar/tea infusion to deliver 2.5g of ground
syrian rue.
Ok thats the recipe.
A few thoughts;
I have no idea what your state is, how you relate to the world.
Strong physchoactives can do your head in
we maintain a physchological entity we call the self through thought mainly,
When perception and awareness are increased thought becomes less relavent
to our state of being, as perception and action are paramount.
Take an emergency, when thought gives way toperception and action, when there
is no time to think(cos time is though but thats a different matter ) that state there
is like it is when you trip. The above recipe will take yo
u there but beware..
The truth of your situation may not be very palletable..deception runs right to the core.
If you have not developed a strong discerning mind you may find your illusions
strengthened, you may allow access to certain forces at an even deeper level than
you currently do. If your generally content to pass your life in ignorance of these factors,
and they do not trouble you deeply, then your better off not knowing some things,as they will
never leave you once you see them.
If your content with pretty patterns and being out of it for a while then maybe try a lower dose,
although like you say the taste and effects hardly make it fun.
Its chewing the bitter herb my friend..its wisdom...
But try and stick with reality,dont allow yourself to become merely entertained with it,
And you may have a very profound awareness indeed.
Remeber..bitter tastes wisdom but it settles the belly, sympathy for the devil tastes sweet
but turns the stomach sour.
You may sense intense prescences...
Authority is yours alone to decide upon so keep your own counsel well.
Sweeping the floor with a small brush down on your hands and knees can help
to ground your energy should you feel you want to.
You must reach into the essence to get close to truth.
Sorry bout the mess below...lol its my crappy phone.


ere
you currently do.

We have ep, its easy to give yourself over to

 

[1ce]

Because it has drugs in it, final answer.
(Acrb has an maoi)

 

[Psybin]

I'm rather surprised at the attitudes and vulgarities in this thread (and here I was thinking the Nexus was different!) and more surprised a mod hasn't stepped in. To actually ANSWER the OP, ACRB is orally active according so some because it may or may not contain some beta carbolines (which serve as MAOIs) which orally activate the DMT. When the DMT is extracted from the ACRB, these mystery chemicals don't seem to come along for the ride. It is still a widely debated subject, but I and others here can safely tell you that extract of ACRB (read: extracted DMT) is not orally active. That being said, there are many indications that the reverse may be true of ACRB by itself or in a tea.

I apologize to the OP for some of the responses in this thread

 

[concombres]

I'm rather surprised at the attitudes and vulgarities in this thread (and here I was thinking the Nexus was different!) and more surprised a mod hasn't stepped in. To actually ANSWER the OP, ACRB is orally active according so some because it may or may not contain some beta carbolines (which serve as MAOIs) which orally activate the DMT. When the DMT is extracted from the ACRB, these mystery chemicals don't seem to come along for the ride. It is still a widely debated subject, but I and others here can safely tell you that extract of ACRB (read: extracted DMT) is not orally active. That being said, there are many indications that the reverse may be true of ACRB by itself or in a tea.

I apologize to the OP for some of the responses in this thread

To add to this a bit, some anecdotal evidence of oral activity with acacia confusa alone are floating around the internet.
I tried this with 25g & didn't get any decent effects. My bark was not of the highest quality at the time.
I seem to recall reading about mimosa being orally active on it's own in doses of 20+g, but if i remember correctly, this did not work with heated brews. Only when the actives were extracted via cold water soaks.
The same may be true for a. Confusa.

If one has high quality bark (yeilding 1.5%+) trying a cwe with minimal amounts of water, 3x soaks, & shaking over the course of a week or so may leave you with a brew that is orally active on it's own.

This is not from personal experience , only reading & we have an idea of why it is orally active on it's own but it has yet to be scientifically proven, the maoi in the plant thing seems like it should be the only culprit, but with anecdotal evidence & only a handful of reports we cannot provide any definitive answers.

 

[Psybin]

This is not from personal experience , only reading & we have an idea of why it is orally active on it's own but it has yet to be scientifically proven, the maoi in the plant thing seems like it should be the only culprit, but with anecdotal evidence & only a handful of reports we cannot provide any definitive answers.

I agree, what little evidence there is is certainly not definitive. Hopefully, though, this clears up some of the OP's confusion as to conflicting info (s)he indicates (s)he may have encountered.

EDIT: For some reason reading your post, concombres, I felt paranoid that I was too ambiguous in the post you quoted, so please forgive me if I left a negative impression just now by trying to overcompensate.

 

[endlessness]

Which MAOI in AC are you talking about? In my tests with GC-MS I only detected DMT and NMT in significant quantities, and only traces of other compounds. One could consider the possibility of compounds breaking down with GC-MS but then I'd also expect them to break down with the heat of a brew. It would make sense if people were claiming only cold brews worked orally (like yuremamine in mimosa hostilis), but that doesnt seem to be the case here right?

How reliable is the comment that AC is active on it's own when brewed ? How many case reports do we have, and do we have any negative results from any test? What are the dosages people are using?


Btw psybin, you are right that Apoc's answer was pretty far from our attitude, and not something we'd like to see in the Nexus. He's gone for a year though, so not much use in trying to pm him about it.

Also, it's hard as a mod to be aware of all that is going on in the Nexus, many many posts, we can't possibly read everything. So if you see something wrong, just post as a normal member asking for a change in tone, people should listen to all members, not just mods. Mediation and community management is much better than taking actions from the position of a mod, from a sustainaibility perspective. And if things turn bad in the discussion after you tried pointing out the issues, just pm any mod to show them so they can help you out, or report the post. Thanks

 

[concombres]

Which MAOI in AC are you talking about? In my tests with GC-MS I only detected DMT and NMT in significant quantities, and only traces of other compounds. One could consider the possibility of compounds breaking down with GC-MS but then I'd also expect them to break down with the heat of a brew. It would make sense if people were claiming only cold brews worked orally (like yuremamine in mimosa hostilis), but that doesnt seem to be the case here right?

How reliable is the comment that AC is active on it's own when brewed ? How many case reports do we have, and do we have any negative results from any test? What are the dosages people are using?


Btw psybin, you are right that Apoc's answer was pretty far from our attitude, and not something we'd like to see in the Nexus. He's gone for a year though, so not much use in trying to pm him about it.

Also, it's hard as a mod to be aware of all that is going on in the Nexus, many many posts, we can't possibly read everything. So if you see something wrong, just post as a normal member asking for a change in tone, people should listen to all members, not just mods. Mediation and community management is much better than taking actions from the position of a mod, from a sustainaibility perspective. And if things turn bad in the discussion after you tried pointing out the issues, just pm any mod to show them so they can help you out, or report the post. Thanks

The reports of acacia being active on it's own are from a few posts on the web.
There are not many.
The nexus is a big community & alot of it's members use acacia fairly often.

Given you've run analysis on acrb & it's not shown any maoi, i think the nexus should test the anecdotal evidence & shed light on whether the information is true or not (the oral activity).
Seems like a stretch without any prescense of maoi, but then again we still can't say for sure what the jungle alkaloid in mhrb is, plants still hold a fair amount of mystery & possibility for things we havn't quite figured out yet.

Maybe a few members would be willing to do side by side comparison of confusa only brews vs cold water extractions at varying dosages & report back with their results.

I can personally say i have tried a confusa only brew, 3x2hr boils, & it produced no effect. Strangely not even nausea.
BUT, this was only a single time, with a small batch of bark i later discovered was of very low quality.

Maybe if there is oral activity for some, whatever is causing it is not in every batch of acacia, maybe it's an alkaloid produced only under certain conditions or at a certain time of year.

Hopefully we see some experimenting at some point & can say for sure whether or not the anecdotal evidence on the net is true or complete bs.

 

[Psybin]

Btw psybin, you are right that Apoc's answer was pretty far from our attitude, and not something we'd like to see in the Nexus. He's gone for a year though, so not much use in trying to pm him about it.

Also, it's hard as a mod to be aware of all that is going on in the Nexus, many many posts, we can't possibly read everything. So if you see something wrong, just post as a normal member asking for a change in tone, people should listen to all members, not just mods. Mediation and community management is much better than taking actions from the position of a mod, from a sustainaibility perspective. And if things turn bad in the discussion after you tried pointing out the issues, just pm any mod to show them so they can help you out, or report the post. Thanks d DMT and NMT in significant quantities, and only traces of other compounds. One c

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for steering me in the right direction, I know myself and many others here try to follow your example when it comes to these things. And thanks again for promotion, I'm very grateful.

Also, I agree with concombres - the nexus needs to test these anecdotal reports. So I guess I know where my next batch of bark is going