Why does Hyperspace seem so...familiar?

[Akasha224]

I decided to finally try a full closed-eye trip. I loaded up about 20mg into my GVG, sat down and mentally prepared myself for a few minutes, and then began.

First hit: Within 5-10 seconds, my bedroom turned into DMT land - everything had a very angular appearance and I was acutely aware of the position of my body.

Second hit: As I exhaled and closed my eyes, the hum of my refrigerator down the hall literally enveloped my whole existence. It's hard to explain in words...it's almost as if the constant humming was a path I was riding on (does that make sense)? The CEV's were UNBELIEVABLE. Like nothing I've ever seen in a psychedelic experience before. I've closed my eyes during DMT trips, but never kept them shut the whole time. It's hard to recall now, but there were so many damn colors. Patterns exploding everywhere. I know I broke through because my mind literally believed I was somewhere else; there was a period where I wasn't aware that I was under the influence of a substance - in fact there was a period where there wasn't a "me" at all. There were no entities that I had direct contact with, but while I was in hyperspace, I felt a very definite presence.

There was a very strong sense of disassociation with my body. For the majority of the experience, my head was cocked back resting on my bed with my mouth hanging wide open (I literally couldn't close it). There were a few times where I'd turn my head to "follow" the visuals, and it felt like it was no longer attached to my neck and moving in all kinds of impossible ways. There was also a point where I felt that the top half of my head (from the top half of my mouth up) was sliding back and forth along the bottom half of my head/neck.

I opened my eyes as I was coming down and sat still for a while, moving my eyes across the room and staring at everything in awe.

"But..."

"What...?"

"That's not possible"

"How...?"

Then all of a sudden I started laughing hysterically. My eyes scanned my bookshelves and the fact that everything was so meticulously organized just seem hilarious to me. I can't quite explain why.

As far as hyperspace...that's what it is? I can't explain it, but I've been there before. On other substances, and even stone cold sober. It's not really a place as much as it is a "vibe" or ambience; the way the light reflects off certain surfaces during the day, and things like that. I'm probably doing a poor job of explaining it, as I just woke up and I'm still wondering what the hell happened to me.

I can't wait to go back.

 

[endlessness]

Sounds familiar

Im not sure if we´ll ever be able to answer that question but I can def relate to it

 

[Global]

There was a very strong sense of disassociation with my body. For the majority of the experience, my head was cocked back resting on my bed with my mouth hanging wide open (I literally couldn't close it). There were a few times where I'd turn my head to "follow" the visuals, and it felt like it was no longer attached to my neck and moving in all kinds of impossible ways.

At least in my own personal experience, physically moving the head doesn't actually pivot my closed eye view of hyperspace with only one exception. Usually if I turn my head, the lighting intensity is likely to change as my relation to the light source in the room changes, and so this is understandable, but the scene itself does not actually rotate. To me, it seems like the experience is designed to be experienced with the head facing in one direction. When I want to change my view or observe a particular pattern, object or entity in more detail, I've found that the best tool is simply in directing focus. If you want to see more of something, pay more attention to it.

The one exception that I experience as I noted above is when I visit a particular mansion where much of the hyperspace I experience seems somewhat connected to, is that if I tilt my head back so my closed eyes are facing the ceiling, things will shift so it looks like I'm looking and floating up a tall narrow spire where there are lots of bird elements and imagery. Most notably towards the top I've noticed on several occasions are high frequency vibrating eagle heads.

 

[Akasha224]

There was a very strong sense of disassociation with my body. For the majority of the experience, my head was cocked back resting on my bed with my mouth hanging wide open (I literally couldn't close it). There were a few times where I'd turn my head to "follow" the visuals, and it felt like it was no longer attached to my neck and moving in all kinds of impossible ways.

At least in my own personal experience, physically moving the head doesn't actually pivot my closed eye view of hyperspace with only one exception. Usually if I turn my head, the lighting intensity is likely to change as my relation to the light source in the room changes, and so this is understandable, but the scene itself does not actually rotate. To me, it seems like the experience is designed to be experienced with the head facing in one direction. When I want to change my view or observe a particular pattern, object or entity in more detail, I've found that the best tool is simply in directing focus. If you want to see more of something, pay more attention to it.

The one exception that I experience as I noted above is when I visit a particular mansion where much of the hyperspace I experience seems somewhat connected to, is that if I tilt my head back so my closed eyes are facing the ceiling, things will shift so it looks like I'm looking and floating up a tall narrow spire where there are lots of bird elements and imagery. Most notably towards the top I've noticed on several occasions are high frequency vibrating eagle heads.

That's interesting that you bring that up. There were several times during the experience where I could change my "point of view" in hyperspace without any actual physical movement of my head. But certain sensations, like my head being cut in half horizontally with the top half sliding back and forth over the bottom half, make me wonder how much I was actually physically moving; maybe I wasn't even moving my head around, I just felt as if I was. One thing I noticed about this trip is that the body load gets a lot more intense with eyes closed. There's this thudding, pulsating feeling throughout your entire being, and even when you let go, you still feel it. I have not had a body high this significant in the past two GVG experiences I had (20mg and 30mg, respectively), which makes me believe that closed eyes are the reason behind it.

What's the mansion you're referring to, and how is hyperspace connected to it? This is what I was talking about in my original post...the strange sense of deja vu you get in hyperspace where you've know you've been "here" (either physically - during a trip; or mentally - being in that same state of mind).

 

[○]

Familiarity..

Well, because you never left.

Know it all too well.

Closed eyes is the way to go in terms of facilitating deep experiences. Although there can be those rare occasions where it literally doesnt matter whether your eyes are open or closed, as the other side presents itself in full form, fully bleeding over into everyday reality.

tat

 

[universecannon]

I think these psychedelic states in general are like semi-functional glimpses of the relics of our lost/dormant consciousness capabilities

...Or something like that :d

 

[Akasha224]

I think these psychedelic states in general are like semi-functional glimpses of the relics of our lost/dormant consciousness capabilities

...Or something like that :d

Are you familiar with the writings of Aldous Huxley? He talks about an idea like this in The Doors of Perception - psychedelics (specifically Mescaline in his case, if I remember correctly), basically change your perception so that you can and comprehend more than is "evolutionarily necessary," so to speak.

 

[universecannon]

Many great thinkers have said this sort of thing in one way or another. And countless people throughout the world, especially "shamanic" people, considered their ancestors as more in tune with these states... and these so called "myths" across the globe almost universally talk about a gradual decline in access/humanities state of mind.

Also consider the parallels even found among the mainstream traditions:
Christianity: "The kingdom of heaven is within you" -Jesus
Islam: "Those who know themselves know their Lord."
Judaism: "He is in all, and all is in Him."
Confucianism: "Those who know their own nature, know heaven."
Taoism: "In the depths of the soul, one sees the Divine, the One."
Buddhism: "Look within, you are the Buddha."
Hinduism: "Atman [individual consciousness] and Brahman [universal consciousness] are one."

..“So we are like dysfunctional children. Something terrible happened to us in the childhood of our intelligence. We lost our connection to the Gaian matrix, to the goddess mother of the Earth who gives coherency to life, and when the connection was lost we fell into history.” ~Terence McKenna...

 

[Akasha224]

Many great thinkers have said this sort of thing in one way or another. And countless people throughout the world, especially "shamanic" people, considered their ancestors as more in tune with these states... and these so called "myths" across the globe almost universally talk about a gradual decline in access/humanities state of mind.

Also consider the parallels even found among the mainstream traditions:
Christianity: "The kingdom of heaven is within you" -Jesus
Islam: "Those who know themselves know their Lord."
Judaism: "He is in all, and all is in Him."
Confucianism: "Those who know their own nature, know heaven."
Taoism: "In the depths of the soul, one sees the Divine, the One."
Buddhism: "Look within, you are the Buddha."
Hinduism: "Atman [individual consciousness] and Brahman [universal consciousness] are one."

..“So we are like dysfunctional children. Something terrible happened to us in the childhood of our intelligence. We lost our connection to the Gaian matrix, to the goddess mother of the Earth who gives coherency to life, and when the connection was lost we fell into history.” ~Terence McKenna...

I haven't read McKenna in years (way before I ever even had a DMT experience), but I've been thinking of picking up a book or two by him to celebrate my recent journeys into hyperspace.

I personally have found that the "inner voice," "instinct," or whatever you wish to call it really is the answer. I made this post a few weeks ago that describes my new discoveries adequately:

A quote which I feel describes the direction my life is taking - Open Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Long story short, minimizing social interaction and actively listening to the silence around me have begun to "tune" me back into a different mindset. On the one hand, I might appear insane to an outsider; on the other hand, I feel more at peace than I ever have in my life since implementing a few changes. Who's to say which viewpoint is correct?

 

[HumbleTraveler]

Lovely read. Eyes closed IMO is the way to go. It further facilitates the ability to disconnect from the world of the senses. It truly lets the ride take its own course. The impact a CEV has is much greater than an OEV, because its a visual with the absence of vision! It's just beautiful and so beyond this world. It's very difficult to not slap yourself and go ...but...where, how, where did that come from?

Honestly, where does a massive spinning gridlike room spewing geometry and colors and shapes out of nothing come from? Especially without seeing. How?!

The best part to me of a closed eye journey I feel as thought I completely disconnect. I am fully conscious that Im within this other realm, but I literally am so enveloped with what I am "seeing" that nothing else in the physical plane exists. My body does not, my environment does not. It's like being asleep. The effects have to begin fizzling off for me to finally kind of snap back and shake my head and open my eyes. I get so lost during the journey, that I dont even consider anything else.

And that is why you should not operate heavy (or light) machinery during a journey.

 

[Mr.Peabody]

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And that is why you should not operate heavy (or light) machinery during a journey.

Is that lightweight machinery, or machinery made of light? Two very different things, IMO.

 

[HumbleTraveler]

The answer is yes!

:d

 

[DreaMTripper]

There are some interesting ideas and opinions raised here too The Familiar Nature of Hyperspace - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Personally I think hyperspace seems familiar because we may well have been there in our first few moments of life or it is the brain associating it with those moments. In that it is the closest thing to hyperspace, previously experienced that the brain can relate it to., just as we were overwhelmed with unidentifiable shapes sounds and colours when we were a young baby the same can be said for hyperspace. In hyperspace we are all infants

 

[Global]

Personally I think hyperspace seems familiar because we may well have been there in our first few moments of life or it is the brain associating it with those moments. In that it is the closest thing to hyperspace, previously experienced that the brain can relate it to., just as we were overwhelmed with unidentifiable shapes sounds and colours when we were a young baby the same can be said for hyperspace. In hyperspace we are all infants

Well for me, your little analogy goes even further and more literally than that. I have to get deep....and I mean deeeep into hyperspace to reach these certain areas and sensations. The colors they use there are soft heart-melting holographic pastels. Truly infantile feelings are at play. There is a sense of pampering in a twilight state. They play their charming lullabies in four part harmony on their harp-music boxes that are reminiscent of Brahm's famous lullaby. Very precious, subtle emotions are felt directly at the heart area. Everything is over-the-top adorable. Again, I have to get pretty far out there for this kind of scenario. It's not the run of the mill part of hyperspace, even for breakthroughs that are also filled with, as you put - unidentifiable shapes, sounds and colors - yet the scenario I depict above carries much more of a literal infantile theme that pervades all parameters of the experience.

 

[Akasha224]

Thanks for all the replies!

Although I have not seen any "infantile" scenery scenes on a journey yet, I have read many reports talking about this specific kind of thing. I suppose where I've been feels "infantile" in the sense that it's very basic, simple, and primitive.

One thing I've noticed with DMT is how emotionless it makes me feel. There have been very dark journeys with high doses of Psilocybin mushrooms where I've literally wept for what felt like an eternity, wishing that it would end, only to come out the other side, crying tears of joy and perceiving life from a completely different perspective.

DMT, on the other hand, makes me feel nothing. Excitement, fear, and apprehension at first; after the peak, a very strong euphoria and positive mindset - I've hit the "Reset" button on my life, turned my conception of reality upside down for about ten minutes, and now I'm back with a completely refreshed set of priorities. But at the heart of the experience, I simply am. At least that sounds "infantile" in a sense to me.

 

[Global]

What I've noticed is that positive interactions in hyperspace will bring euphoria, love and bright feelings whereas a negative encounter can tend to result in a bogging down of emotions or nullifying all emotions.

 

[DreaMTripper]

Thanks for all the replies!

Although I have not seen any "infantile" scenery scenes on a journey yet, I have read many reports talking about this specific kind of thing. I suppose where I've been feels "infantile" in the sense that it's very basic, simple, and primitive.

By infantile I mean the way in which we relate to this temporary new reality, the complexity is so layered and detailed and the geometry sometimes seemingly impossible that it can be likened to a babies brain absorbing/making sense of its reality in its first few months/years of life. Overwhelmed awestruck frightened.
Having said that I have actually ended up in a hyperspatial playground before.