why so sticky?

[fastsmitty]

[Mod edit: No sourcing talk!] I have some 5-MeoDMT and it's very sticky, like someone chewed up an Airhead and spit it into a bag. It was transferred into the jar. Just wondering why it would be so sticky and wet. A desiccant was added to the jar. Anything else to be done to make it easier to use?

 

[fastsmitty]

What does the process of washing with MEK look like step by step would be nice.

 

[Transform]

What does the process of washing with MEK look like?

Is it a salt form or freebase? Where did you get the idea of washing with MEK?

step by step would be nice.

Would I be right in thinking this looks like you're asking for someone to find or make you a step-by-step pictorial of washing some crystals with a liquid? You could inform yourself by doing a practice run using table salt.

There's a broadly similar method here:

TEK Thread 'BOOFF Tek for MDMA purification. From brown oily mess to white dry MDMA crystals'

Apr 16, 2018

Ulim Presents

BROWN OIL OFF TEK

You all know the quality of MDMA you often find, brownish chunk with a strong smell of safrole. Which has a sweet spicy smell which is of a class of its own. This mdma is often sold with fancy names such as "Cola" MDMA. Basically selling trash as gold.

While that MDMA might be pleasant it is not what a psychonaut wants as this mdma is not pure.
Safrole itself is toxic for liver and kidney so its best to reduce exposure.

This tek can also be applied to pills to some extend.
My tek employs the solubility of...

• Ulim
• Replies: 17
• Forum: Collaborative Research Project

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Not all of it will necessarily apply to 5-MeO-DMT purification, although the principles behind it are fairly generalisable. You can substitute the acetone with MEK, for example.

 

[fastsmitty]

Is it a salt form or freebase? Where did you get the idea of washing with MEK?

Would I be right in thinking this looks like you're asking for someone to find or make you a step-by-step pictorial of washing some crystals with a liquid? You could inform yourself by doing a practice run using table salt.

There's a broadly similar method here:

TEK Thread 'BOOFF Tek for MDMA purification. From brown oily mess to white dry MDMA crystals'

Apr 16, 2018

Ulim Presents

BROWN OIL OFF TEK

You all know the quality of MDMA you often find, brownish chunk with a strong smell of safrole. Which has a sweet spicy smell which is of a class of its own. This mdma is often sold with fancy names such as "Cola" MDMA. Basically selling trash as gold.

While that MDMA might be pleasant it is not what a psychonaut wants as this mdma is not pure.
Safrole itself is toxic for liver and kidney so its best to reduce exposure.

This tek can also be applied to pills to some extend.
My tek employs the solubility of...

• Ulim
• Replies: 17
• Forum: Collaborative Research Project

• 

Not all of it will necessarily apply to 5-MeO-DMT purification, although the principles behind it are fairly generalisable. You can substitute the acetone with MEK, for example.

It was supposed to be a freebase. I have never seen one like this, and I'm not a chemist... just a consumer... someone on Reddit suggested washing with MEK. But like I said hard to do something when you don't even understand really what the term "washing" means.... I am assuming putting the substance in MEK and mixing it around... beyond that, I would have 0 idea of how to get it back to a usable substance.

 

[Transform]

It was supposed to be a freebase. I have never seen one like this, and I'm not a chemist... just a consumer... someone on Reddit suggested washing with MEK. But like I said hard to do something when you don't even understand really what the term "washing" means.... I am assuming putting the substance in MEK and mixing it around... beyond that, I would have 0 idea of how to get it back to a usable substance.

You'd risk dissolving the whole lot in MEK if it's freebase.

It would be a good idea to check the solubility data for 5MeO-DMT freebase in various solvents, otherwise it's a matter of waiting around a bit for someone like @Jan e Kharabat or maybe some of the phalaris grass alkaloid crew like @Grasshoppers @aizoaceous or @neurobloom for their insights.

 

[neurobloom]

5-meo-dmt is very poorly soluble in room temperature hexane. But first you need to know if what you have is freebase or salt.

If it's freebase dissolve in selective highly non polar solvent hot like hexane or petroleum ether or naptha (as long as you're sure it's light naptha and free of aromatics. Lighter fluid naptha won't cut it in this case)

Heat your hexane in water bath throw your dirty freebase in mix till it dissolves add basic water and shake.. separate the hexane and allow to evap further till you have a small volume and allow to cool. It will get milky white when concentrated then clears up again with a blob of freebase oil at the bottom or Crystaline freebase if your end product is clean enough and hexane is cooled super slowly like inside a thermose or something.

I don't mind amber freebase oil 5-meo-dmt or semi Crystaline oil . It's still as good as White crystals.

You could also dissolve in hot hexane wash with basic water then salt the hexane pull with oxalic acid (doesn't matter if you use excess oxalic as long as you freebase and extract again.

5-meo-dmt oxalate is highly non hygroscopic and very prone to crystalization..you can wash the salt with more hexane to get rid of colouration then freebase and pull and evap.

The extra salting step wouldn't be worth it unless you have decent sized Stash of spice otherwise you loose too much product trying to clean it due to handling

 

[neurobloom]

After all that being said phalaris has proven to be reliable source for 5-meo-dmt in my experience and others around here as @Transform mentioned.

A 0.3% 5-meo-dmt phalaris aquatica cultivar seeds are already available if you're keen on growing your own jaguar.

 

[neurobloom]

Here's some freebase 5-meo-dmt crystals from the 0.3% phalaris aquatica cultivar i mentioned above crashed out using hot petroleum ether.
The other pics are crude non refined semi Crystaline 5-meo-dmt freebase pulled with chloroform from 100g dry leaf batch. The leaves were brewed in water to make a tea. Tea evapped and extracted with a dry alcohol Tek and the extract was acid base extracted with chloroform.

 

[fastsmitty]

@neurobloom, as is, would you say I am okay to ingest without any of the processes mentioned above? I bought it as freebase. [anecdotally experienced person*] swears by it. I was going to try today, but then my wife literally came home as I was warming up in my Eclipse vape.

This is what I typically use... was going for 13mg

Eclipse Vape KIT – Purple Galaxy | Eclipse Vape

eclipsevape.com

*[MOD EDIT -please, not even a hint of sourcing talk. Thanks.]

 

[fastsmitty]

Forgot to mention I warmed it up, and it immediately turned to liquid... but beyond that, I heard a car door, didn't even have a chance to see if it was going to turn to vapor. My wife was supposed to be at a hair appointment for the next 4 hours... and it got canceled.

 

[Jan e Kharabat]

I once got a sample which was quite sticky and oily, I did an acid base cycle twice or so, ended up with pretty nice crystals. I did lose about more than half the amount though, but the sample was really impure. If you have about a gram, you can easily do an A/B cycle. Re-x with naphtha or heptane. Simply recrystallizing might do as well, heptane works wonderfully.

 

[neurobloom]

Don't worry about vaping method too much with 5-meo-dmt it's much more forgiving than DMT.. less prone to burning. Being such a tiny dose needed it's already vaporized very quickly before its got chance to burn.

I don't know about your products purity..looks are deceiving. It could be very dark brown and yet still very clean 5-meo-dmt just a thin layer of oxidation or polymerization. I never seen pink freebase before though but i read someone in the comment section on your reddit post saying they've had pink freebase just like yours before and it was just fine. It's up to you to decide.

 

[Transform]

My wife was supposed to be at a hair appointment for the next 4 hours... and it got canceled.

Having a sitter present for this stuff might be considered a very good idea.

5-MeO-DMT has a significantly less forgiving risk profile than N,N-DMT does. Make sure you read up on that.

You'd be far better off having your wife 'on side' if at all possible; I totally get if that's either not possible, or if you'd simply prefer the peace and quiet - but have a serious think about having someone nearby to keep a check on your ABC: Airways, Breathing, Circulation/Cardio.

For those who are into stuff like fate, the timing of her return could also be seen as a sign to knuckle down and clean up that material of yours. There's an unknown amount of random pink crud in there and you have no idea what it is, nor what it does. That said, my educated would be that some of it's highly likely to be, or be closely derived from, 6-methoxy-2-methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-β-carboline (from a Pictet-Spengler side reaction during the synthesis). The pharmacology of that compound and its oxidation products - a likely source of at least some of the red coloration - is more or less unknown.

Then again, as jan-e-kharabat points out, it may just be surface oxidation and even a tiny amount of an intensely-coloured compound could produce a strong pinkish tinge. So, meh.

 

[fastsmitty]

Don't worry about vaping method too much with 5-meo-dmt it's much more forgiving than DMT.. less prone to burning. Being such a tiny dose needed it's already vaporized very quickly before its got chance to burn.

I don't know about your products purity..looks are deceiving. It could be very dark brown and yet still very clean 5-meo-dmt just a thin layer of oxidation or polymerization. I never seen pink freebase before though but i read someone in the comment section on your reddit post saying they've had pink freebase just like yours before and it was just fine. It's up to you to decide.

Well, not sure when I will get the chance again to try... hopefully soon. Today was supposed to be that day. My wife was going to be out of the house from 10am-4pm.... took the time to get the sticky mess weighed out, right when I got the music on ... a blanket laid on the floor, a pillow in the perfect spot, and Ambio's master 5meo playlist on. sat down in meditation position, took a couple of deep breaths. Right when I put the lighter to the glass, it melted... looked out the window real quick and my wife was getting out of the car.... I was like, wtf, you've got to be kidding me.

 

[fastsmitty]

Having a sitter present for this stuff might be considered a very good idea.

5-MeO-DMT has a significantly less forgiving risk profile than N,N-DMT does. Make sure you read up on that.

You'd be far better off having your wife 'on side' if at all possible; I totally get if that's either not possible, or if you'd simply prefer the peace and quiet - but have a serious think about having someone nearby to keep a check on your ABC: Airways, Breathing, Circulation/Cardio.

For those who are into stuff like fate, the timing of her return could also be seen as a sign to knuckle down and clean up that material of yours. There's an unknown amount of random pink crud in there and you have no idea what it is, nor what it does. That said, my educated would be that some of it's highly likely to be, or be closely derived from, 6-methoxy-2-methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-β-carboline (from a Pictet-Spengler side reaction during the synthesis). The pharmacology of that compound and its oxidation products - a likely source of at least some of the red coloration - is more or less unknown.

Then again, as jan-e-kharabat points out, it may just be surface oxidation and even a tiny amount of an intensely-coloured compound could produce a strong pinkish tinge. So, meh.

For sure, what is really funny is that you talk about fate. Cause i do have a NN-Cart that I was trying with my Jaguar light wand, and it would not work with it. Then moved to the 5-meo to give it a try... today was just not meant to be.

 

[Transform]

For sure, what is really funny is that you talk about fate. Cause i do have a NN-Cart that I was trying with my Jaguar light wand, and it would not work with it. Then moved to the 5-meo to give it a try... today was just not meant to be.

Highly relatable. I've had an otherwise entirely reliable, refillable, piezoelectric lighter totally refuse to work when trying to hit a pipe of N,N, only to be fine again immediately afterwards, having given up on the idea. Like the DMT (or something…) knew it wasn't the right time. Bizarre.