Why Wouldnt Smoking Chaliponga Leaves Work as ROA for DMT?

[Ramma]

I have heard that with only 5 grams one trips on orally consumed chaliponga. That is not that much plant matter if you have leather lungs. Would the impossibility of smoking Chali leaves as ROA for DMT lie in the fact that relativley big amounts of DMT have to be smoked at once in order to achieve effect through the lungs? And that smoking 3g of Chali Leaves would take about 10min?

But then what if Chali Leaves were made x10 through an alcohol extraction?

 

[dreamer042]

The leaves are about 1% DMT by dry weight at best.

Theoretically, yeah 3 grams of dry leaf should be enough, but dry leaves are very light, this a good bit of plant material to smoke in just a couple hits.

A 10x might do it, that would be about 200-300 mg, or basically clearing a nice bowl in a couple hits, doable, but requiring some effort.

It's not much more difficult to do a proper extraction than it is to make a 10x.

 

[Ramma]

It's not much more difficult to do a proper extraction than it is to make a 10x.

but it kinda is cause, in general: MHRB+naphta+pickling line+funnels+cold freezer...and a couple more things. I dont know how to make x10 anything, but I imagine all youd need was the plant and alcohol. That makes it much less expensive too! much more DMT for your buck. Also its just be cool to see if it would work8)

 

[dreamer042]

grind the chaliponga to a powder
mix it with an equivalent amount of pickling lime
add enough water to make a paste
allow it to dry
pull with alcohol or acetone 3 times
evaporate alcohol/tone
smokeable freebase chaliponga extract

Much more effective than a simple alcohol pull, almost no more work.8)

 

[Ramma]

Fantastic. have to try this.

 

[JefFlux]

Even just using Chali leaf mixed with Caapi in a 1:1 Changa mix seems to add a very unique and powerful quality - the other thing with Chali (even more than Chacruna) is that it degrades quite quickly.