Will the "Easy Caapi Vine Alkaloid Extraction Guide" work with Syrian Rue?

[behindthelight]

I'm thinking it would right? Just wondering if anyone else has tried it.

The reason I ask is because that tek seems really simple, but it is for Caapi. Well, all of the Rue extractions are a lot harder than this one.

 

[MelCat]

It will work but you won't get out the extra toxins that are in rue. Some of them are aborficants so they will cause a pregnant woman to miscarry. The only way to get rid of those extra nasties is to perform a manske which is where most of the extra steps come into play. There are also a lot of extra oils and gunk in rue that caapi doesn't have so it's way easier to get a clean caapi extract.

All of the extra time and aggravation is worth it when you have those nice, clean alks waiting to take you to bliss.

 

[Hyperdimensional Cuttlefish]

I use full spectrum rue all the time, via Gibran2's TEK, and have a female friend who has used it as well with no complaints.

Calling harmane, vasicine and vasicinone toxins (unless you are pregnant) isn't quite appropriate IMO. But Melodic is right, if you just want harmine/harmaline... you need to do da manske dance.

 

[gibran2]

It will work but you won't get out the extra toxins that are in rue. Some of them are aborficants so they will cause a pregnant woman to miscarry. The only way to get rid of those extra nasties is to perform a manske which is where most of the extra steps come into play. There are also a lot of extra oils and gunk in rue that caapi doesn't have so it's way easier to get a clean caapi extract.

All of the extra time and aggravation is worth it when you have those nice, clean alks waiting to take you to bliss.

Vasicine and vasicinone are far from “toxins”. It’s true that they can cause uterine contractions, and for that reason shouldn’t be taken by pregnant women (pregnant women have a long list of substances to avoid), but other than that, they are actually considered beneficial substances – they are antioxidants, anti-inflammatory, bronchodilators that are as effective as many pharmaceutical asthma medications, and anti-hypertensive.

Far from being “nasties”, vasicine and vasicinone are good for you, and to remove them from rue is to make the rue a less healing substance.

To answer the OPs original question: Yes, the caapi extraction method works with rue. There are more non-alkaloid impurities in rue that require longer settling/decanting steps, but the end product is probably more pure than a Manske extraction. Manske extractions produce a product that can be contaminated with sodium chloride, and since the Manske product is hydrochloride salts of the alkaloids, they are harder to clean (they dissolve in water).

 

[behindthelight]

Umm, wow. Ok, well, I guess I can give a shot and see if I like it right?


Thanks to everyone for the info.

 

[SHroomtroll]

i did it and liked the extract, non nausea or anything either.

Usually i don´t get that with whole rue but i can´t stand the taste of it.

 

[behindthelight]

One last thing, I want to go ahead and try this today, but the caapi version says to start with 64grams of Caapi. How much rue can I start with? Should I start with 60? Or can you start with less and just reduce the amount of lye and fumaric acid and water?

 

[behindthelight]

Well, I might not get any replies until tomorrow, so I am just gonna try it with like 20 grams and see what happens.

 

[MelCat]

I stand corrected guys...

I guess when I said "nasties" and "toxins" I was referring to how full spectrum rue makes me feel. It seems (for me at least) that full spectrum is a bit harder on my body and while it is healing, it's definitely a bit rougher than pure harmine/harmaline.

As far as 60g goes, that will definitely work but if I'm going to put the effort into an extraction, I'll usually go a bit higher if possible. If you're just doing it for the experience, then 60g will be fine. I wouldn't go any lower than that though.

Good luck regardless!

 

[behindthelight]

I stand corrected guys...

I guess when I said "nasties" and "toxins" I was referring to how full spectrum rue makes me feel. It seems (for me at least) that full spectrum is a bit harder on my body and while it is healing, it's definitely a bit rougher than pure harmine/harmaline.

As far as 60g goes, that will definitely work but if I'm going to put the effort into an extraction, I'll usually go a bit higher if possible. If you're just doing it for the experience, then 60g will be fine. I wouldn't go any lower than that though.

Good luck regardless!

Ok, thanks man. I will give 60 a shot and hopefully everything works out. I know Rue is cheap, so it would be nice to get this down perfectly.

 

[endlessness]

There are more non-alkaloid impurities in rue that require longer settling/decanting steps, but the end product is probably more pure than a Manske extraction. Manske extractions produce a product that can be contaminated with sodium chloride, and since the Manske product is hydrochloride salts of the alkaloids, they are harder to clean (they dissolve in water).

You can always redissolve the manske precipitation and base it afterwards...

Anyways to the OP, you should try both and see for yourself and let us know. Personally I dont like drinking whole rue, but I havent experimented enough to know if the full spectrum extract has too many negative effects for me or not. What if you first base rue with lye to have the full spectrum extract, and then you redissolve, say, half of that with vinegar, and do a manske (and later redissolve and reprecipitate to have the cleaner base). Then try both out in different days and let us know how it goes. I would love to hear the results

 

[behindthelight]

There are more non-alkaloid impurities in rue that require longer settling/decanting steps, but the end product is probably more pure than a Manske extraction. Manske extractions produce a product that can be contaminated with sodium chloride, and since the Manske product is hydrochloride salts of the alkaloids, they are harder to clean (they dissolve in water).

You can always redissolve the manske precipitation and base it afterwards...

Anyways to the OP, you should try both and see for yourself and let us know. Personally I dont like drinking whole rue, but I havent experimented enough to know if the full spectrum extract has too many negative effects for me or not. What if you first base rue with lye to have the full spectrum extract, and then you redissolve, say, half of that with vinegar, and do a manske (and later redissolve and reprecipitate to have the cleaner base). Then try both out in different days and let us know how it goes. I would love to hear the results

Well, I just got into this extractions stuff, so most of what you said there is over my head. But, if I can figure it all out, I will give it a shot. I just made my first rue tea ever. It's in the fridge right now. Got my 4g shroom tea ready to go also. Few hours from now I am gonna drink the rue, wait about 10 minutes and then do the shroom tea. Hopefully it makes it better.

 

[endlessness]

4g dried shrooms + rue?! I think you should NOT do this

First time you mix rue + shrooms, try the rue tea with 1g shrooms max, or 0.5g shrooms... For some people there is very large potentiation and it can be overwhelming.

Also, what I meant was that one could try is:

Ingesting rue tea of X amount of grams.

Extract like rue with the 'easy caapi vine alkaloid guide', later dissolve the alkaloids equivalent to X grams of rue, in an acidic juice, and drink that some other day

Extract rue but first starting by adding 100g salt per 1l (pre-filtered) boiling rue tea, letting it cool to precipitate the alkaloids, filtering and later redissolving and basing like easy caapi extraction guide.. Then later dissolve the alkaloids equivalent to X grams of rue, in an acidic juice, and drink that some other day.

I wasnt thinking specifically about the mushroom admixture, but just in general the idea of trying different forms of rue to see how it compares, and letting us know

 

[behindthelight]

Well, I did the 4 grams of shrooms and I did 3 grams of rue and honestly I didn't notice a difference. It was a really good trip, but it felt like every other time I did 4 grams of shrooms.

 

[endlessness]

weird... how were the shrooms stored? How long did you have this batch for, and when was the last time you tried from it? How did you prepare and consume the shrooms and rue? Had you eaten anything?

 

[behindthelight]

weird... how were the shrooms stored? How long did you have this batch for, and when was the last time you tried from it? How did you prepare and consume the shrooms and rue? Had you eaten anything?

Umm, they were cracker dry and were in a plastic bag that I pushed all the air out of it that I possibly could and then they were in the dark in my drawer.

This batch I've had for about 4-6 months. I did 7 grams of them about a month ago and it was awesome.

I prepare them the same way I always do. I make a "tea" out of it. I powder the shrooms in a coffee grinder and add them to boiling water. Then I strain out the mushroom material.

As far as the Rue, I took 2 grams out of it and made a tea. Then I took 1 gram and put it in capsules and ate them. I took the tea and the capsules, then about 10 minutes later drank the mushroom tea.

To be fair though, I have a high tolerance for pretty much everything. Alcohol, Pain Medication, Shrooms, Kratom....

When I shroom, I usually don't go under 7 grams. But since this is the first time I ever tried it with the Rue, I decided to only do 4 to be safe.