Working with A. Confusa

[alicedee25]

This is going to be a continuing update on my extractions with acacia confusa.

~2 lbs rootbark (powdered)
soaked in 2 liters ethanol(100 proof vodka) for 5 days
Added ~230ml 5% acetic acid(white vinegar) on the fourth day/ pH ~3

Filtered off first extract, with no heat, and added ~1 liter H2O and ~150ml vinegar (pH now ~4.5) to the roots and simmered in a crockpot on med-low for around 7 hours (feel asleep..)

Filtered off the second extract and added another liter h20, and maybe 50ml vinegar and simmered for two hours.

The extracts were combined and left to settle for 36 hours before filtering

300mL of warm naphtha were added and removed in one defat (I should have split it into 3, 100mL defats)

The extracts were split and made basic with NaOH. I mixed ~350grams NaOH with 475 mL H2O
I saved ~150 ml of the NaOH solution, for further addition after the first pull.
pH around 10-11, my pH papers range is only to 10.

Let the jugs sit for 24 hours while the lye works with the extracts. thick black goo formed on the bottoms of my jugs, which would not dissolve with stirring.

Warmed 500mL of naphtha, and added 120ml to each jug. stirring for around 10 minutes and letting settle for 5. same was done with each pull of ~120 mls. pulls were combined and the naphtha was cloudy white.

Placed in the freezer overnight (12 hours)
When the crystals were scrapped, like formed into a red, sticky goo. this goo weighted around .8 grams

The goo was re-x'd in hot naphtha and didn't seem to dissolve much at all.

The first pull is currently reducing, and then back to the freezer.

2ND PULL- added the rest of my ~150mL NaOH solution to the jugs, and let sit for 24 hours.
Pulls were repeated as above, and the naphtha was cloudy white again.


**pictures coming soon, 3rd pull is in the mixtures, where it will sit for another 16 or so hours. i'll gvg some of the red goo that i set aside before re-x.**

 

[The Meddling Monk]

It is unlikely you could separate nmt and dmt this way. The pH is too close. But naphtha pulls more dmt anyway.
But, why don't you want nmt? Most people like a little in there, and there usually isn't much IME.

 

[acacian]

yeah why do you want to get rid of the nmt? it adds flavour to the experience. as an acacia-head member here would say.. "trust the wisdom that the plant has on offer"

 

[alicedee25]

The dose ive read in tihkal was 50-100mg and the visuals lasted 15 seconds. If anything i'd like to isolate the NMT so I could actually get a dose in that range. But for now, i'd rather avoid it, and keep the final product as close to pure dmt as possible:thumb_up:
less stuff to work with during recrystallization

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

"trust the wisdom that the plant has on offer"

:thumb_up: :thumb_up: :thumb_up:

i have no experience with acacia but i would say this goes for most plants.

 

[Infinite I]

"trust the wisdom that the plant has on offer"

another thumbs up :thumb_up:

 

[DoingKermit]

The small extraction I played around with was with Taiwan Confusa, using Marsofold's tek. I didn't measure everything exactly by the book (kinda dumb really in terms of perfecting the process), as I was just roughly gaging if any alkaloids were present. I got some nice white powder, although really small, it was definitely spice.

I need to break open my Confusa bag soon to play around with a few extractions. Hopefully I can contribute something towards the Confusa info, even though there is a nice amount of info already compiled.

Edit: I agree with taking what the plant has to offer. NMT will add a slight extra flavour to the experience if the DMT percentage is indeed higher. Even if it isn't, I feel like there would still be much to learn from the experience.

 

[alicedee25]

the first pull is almost done in the freezer, the naphtha was just swimming with clouds of white before I put it in, so seems like everything worked out. I added a little more base to the mother liquid and plan on doing the second and third pulls tomorrow. I kept a pretty decent lab notebook for this extraction and took a couple pictures. I'll post my yield and procedure tomorrow as well.

 

[Dr_Sister]

If you want to separate your NMT and DMT you will need to run a column on your end crude product to separate them. NMT will elute last.

or

if you simply want to remove the NMT leaving DMT, you can acetylate the NMT, using acetylsalicylic acid (asprin). Sister posted a tek in Advanced chemistry section several months ago.

 

[nen888]

Sister posted a tek in Advanced chemistry section several months ago.

..i must have missed this Sister..still trying to find it..sounds interesting!

 

[Dr_Sister]

Here is one tek Sister posted, that uses CO2, but isn't the one she was referring to:

How to remove NMT from extractions - Advanced/Enhanced chemistry - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Here is the link to the tek Sister was referring to

Another way of partitioning 1° and 2° amines from 3° amines - Advanced/Enhanced chemistry - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

It turns out Sister had posted it to another board she frequents, but it is here now too.