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Would aliens ever bother with humans?

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I voted Nope

I think to many people are so preoccupied with the whole alien issue, there are of course other beings and other layers of existences out there and the other beings live on completely different levels of vibrations to our own vibrations so its not easy for them to make contact with us and if they do its in very minimal ways they cant actually harm us unless we open ourselves up to be harmed. The general alien propaganda that is churned out today is ridiculous they are mostly manufactured as a fear inhibitor by governments because if the public is in fear they will consume more but not only that imagine how much money is made from the whole alien franchise, the governments definitely gain a nice chunk off the top of the yearly profits. Some food for thought.....


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soulfood said:
DMTtripn2Space said:


:) ...That's all I have to say on the matter.

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egyptians were more than likely taking something and visiting their hyperspace and 'beings' rather than real physical contact.

i like to think that rather than be interested in us ("urgh, another dominant, ignorant, humanoid species raping their home planet" ) they'd be more interested in the other unique flora and fauna ("hey guys, check out this so called 'blue whale' thing! it's huge, and it eats tiny little shrimp!" )... maybe.
 
Awesome thread, and good points about other animals just having different intelligence!

I agree that aliens capable of creating the technology to come over here to greet us would probably empathise with our technological skills. They would no doubt see us in a similar way as we see neanderthals.

Also, it's our actions that could attract visitors- the artificial radiation patterns we send out into space etc, in which case they'd be coming over to see what we specifically were up to. I'd be surprised if slugs or bees or whales were doing stuff that could attract far away visitors.

Maybe they didn't need spaceships, but just swam through space or something. Maybe they wouldn't even be as intelligent, and would just swim over here, gobble up all our forests, and swim off to find the next nutritious planet.

We are assuming here that the aliens are pack animals, in which case they would probably be more interested with social species like us than loner species. If a loner alien came over here, he probably wouldn't be a threat or much of a source of knowledge, so not the kind of aliens that WE'RE interested in, unless he was somehow intelligent all on his own (is that even possible?) or shat dark matter as a defence mechanism or ate planets etc.

The only aliens we're interested in are ones that come over and are like us in some way- we wouldn't think much of a shoal of space-termites or something travelling around trying to find a new home, and we'd probably just wipe them out unless they wiped us out with their dark matter excretion defence mechanisms or nasty disease or whatever! Yes, maybe we've already been visited but they were so small that a little boy stepped on their landing craft! ;) Aliens who found the scale or gravity or climate of our planet inhospitable might not visit us at all, but just have a look from afar.

Maybe they would just 'think' their way here in which case they'd probably be most interested with the most thoughtful species (is this us? The bonobo are pretty thoughtful but without communication here on earth every individual has to be Descartes, Newton and Einstein all in one lifetime to rival us). Or yes maybe we've already met them in hyperspace.

I think that if they were intelligent, they would be most interested in us, because we obviously now shape this planet more than any other animal, so that would get them interested. Sheep may eat the vegetation off the ground, but we have built the hedges around their fields, for example. I think it would be obvious that we were the dominant species to an intelligent visitor. Of course, they may not approve of our dominance, but that would just influence the way in which they were interested in us. Nature isn't pretty, you don't have to be human to do awful things. Black widows eat their husbands. Mice eat their young. Ivy grows up trees and suffocates them parasitically. Trees compete with each other for rootspace and the strong suppress and kill the weak.

Maybe they would be like many of us or worse and would enslave or kill us, or be vengeful and cull us or render us extinct so the bonobo can think in peace. Or maybe they wouldn't be space-Nazis, but would still kill those of us who they didn't judge worthy of life and let the nice ones live on, maybe even forever (just like the Abrahimic god allegedly promises to do!). Or maybe they'd think we were awful creatures and would just leave us alone like how we leave lower forms of life to bicker amongst themselves in the wild.

I'd like to think that when they arrived, they'd ask to speak to the earth's diplomats, so all the world leaders would get on video screens from inside their bunkers. But the aliens would say "Who are these jokers, bring us the Nexus!" And Obama would say "What's the Nexus?" and everyone would scurry around until some C I A creep would say "What about that website we've been monitoring?". We'd all get busted in dawn raids and think we're going to jail but then they'd bring us to the aliens who would act like our buddies and all the straits would eat their hats. And they'd lock up Cheney and all the other assholes and we'd all eat spacecakes and live happily ever after. Haha!

I have no idea whether a form of life more intelligent than us would enslave us, kill us, befriend us, command us like parents, or ignore us. But I do think that any alien that had more in common with other animal forms of life would be interesting to scientists but not many other people (after the initial shock of meeting the herd of space-locusts and the following cull of the cosmic herd). I'm in no doubt that if aliens visited and didn't immediately show that they were more armed and dangerous than us, our militaries would immediately just wipe them out while they were still in space if they could, for fear of catching something or being tricked into submission, then just pick up a few survivors and cadavers to poke around with.
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I don't know man ..
If you think about our fascination with probing things unknown, I
really don't think it's too unreasonable to assume we will one day be visited if we haven't already.

Given the probability of another planet/species existing in the universe with a curiousity as ours.....

I really think the biggest issue would be with the other beings developing adequate transportation.
Pretty much the same thing that's preventing us from visiting other planets, making us the "aliens."

Why do people always apply so much intelligence to aliens BTW?
I'm sure there's smarter beings than us out there.
I'm sure there's also quite retarded beings vs us.
 
It depends...

Probably the most important thing in universe is the intelligent, communicating life forms. Why would aliens bother with fauna or flora?
 
tropane, actually there is a good reason to expect aliens are smarter, it's because the majority of the planets in our universe are older than ours.... and of course, dumb is only relative to us... they may do things we consider dumb, yet still be smarter than us.
 
I'm sure that aliens do exist on other planets somewhere, and I'm sure many of them are less intelligent than us. But this is about aliens visiting us, and they would probably have to be smarter than us to do that. We'll probably never meet the 'dumb' ones, unless as you say we ourselves get smart enough to visit them.

Given how evolution has panned out on this planet, I think they would be as savage as us unless they had developed some kind of eugenics to counter the more antisocial gifts of evolution. Unless they evolved with an abundant complete protein source which meant they were herbivores that still had time to build a civilisation instead of just chewing the cud all day long.

There has probably been an animated television programme at some point called "What aliens would really be like" with a bunch of scientists giving opinions... has anyone seen something like that? Once we know the nature of these visitors, then we would be able to decide if they would be interested in us or not.
 
ohayoco said:
I'm sure that aliens do exist on other planets somewhere, and I'm sure many of them are less intelligent than us. But this is about aliens visiting us, and they would probably have to be smarter than us to do that. We'll probably never meet the 'dumb' ones, unless as you say we ourselves get smart enough to visit them.

Given how evolution has panned out on this planet, I think they would be as savage as us unless they had developed some kind of eugenics to counter the more antisocial gifts of evolution. Unless they evolved with an abundant complete protein source which meant they were herbivores that still had time to build a civilisation instead of just chewing the cud all day long.

There has probably been an animated television programme at some point called "What aliens would really be like" with a bunch of scientists giving opinions... has anyone seen something like that? Once we know the nature of these visitors, then we would be able to decide if they would be interested in us or not.

And evidences?

Disagree, the don´t need the evil science of eugenics, just like anybody else. They ought to rather master the botanical alkaloids and their own speeches, just like us. Homo sapiens sapiens? Man twice times wise. Yeah, right.

Well the model of aliens are the tykes. What the DMT teaches us is that the universe is filled with hyperintelligent aliens with their own agenda. Besides, what kind of question is this? Gnóti seti authón.
 
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lbeing789 said:
tropane, actually there is a good reason to expect aliens are smarter, it's because the majority of the planets in our universe are older than ours.... and of course, dumb is only relative to us... they may do things we consider dumb, yet still be smarter than us.

Really? Mice have existed on this planet as long as people have and they are clearly not as intelligent as people. The same is true with all other life forms on earth.

I think that reasoning is seriously flawed. Mankind 1000 years ago was likely no less intelligent than he is today.

I don’t see that the span of a life form’s existence has anything at all to do with intelligence. We are “intelligent” because of how we are put together, not because of how long humans have been around. If it was purely just length of time that caused intelligence then the life forms that were here longer than humans would be more intelligent and they obviously are not.

In some ways mankind is becoming less intelligent as it starts to allow technology to take over a lot of its mental skills. If you look at how people are doing in school these days, the signs are not promising that we are magically getting more intelligent just because we’ve been here longer.

The link between being intelligent and living for a long time as a species is pure theory and I don’t believe it is based in fact at all. Jellyfish are some of the most successful life forms in the ocean and they don’t even have a brain. Grass is an immensely successful life form and it also has no brain.

Ants far out number human beings in population and they are not nearly as intelligent as humans are.

As time passes things change, they don’t keep going in the same direction. They change with the times. I am sure mankind will not keep getting more and more intelligent as time passes. At some point mankind’s intelligence with begin to be lost as technology does all the thinking for us. Very few people calculate their taxes using their brain. They use technology for that. Very few people these days even use a dictionary to correct spelling, they use a word processor for that. Many tasks humans do are being taken over by technology. We no longer need to fend off wildlife, so a lot of our survival skills are being lost. I bet if you did a thorough study of the intelligence of man 1000 years ago, you’d find that man was actually more intelligent 1000 years ago, and that man is slowly losing it’s intelligence because of his technology.
 
69ron said:
lbeing789 said:
tropane, actually there is a good reason to expect aliens are smarter, it's because the majority of the planets in our universe are older than ours.... and of course, dumb is only relative to us... they may do things we consider dumb, yet still be smarter than us.

Really? Mice have existed on this planet as long as people have and they are clearly not as intelligent as people. The same is true with all other life forms on earth.

I think that reasoning is seriously flawed. Mankind 1000 years ago was likely no less intelligent than he is today.

I don’t see that the span of a life form’s existence has anything at all to do with intelligence. We are “intelligent” because of how we are put together, not because of how long humans have been around. If it was purely just length of time that caused intelligence then the life forms that were here longer than humans would be more intelligent and they obviously are not.

In some ways mankind is becoming less intelligent as it starts to allow technology to take over a lot of its mental skills. If you look at how people are doing in school these days, the signs are not promising that we are magically getting more intelligent just because we’ve been here longer.

The link between being intelligent and living for a long time as a species is pure theory and I don’t believe it is based in fact at all. Jellyfish are some of the most successful life forms in the ocean and they don’t even have a brain. Grass is an immensely successful life form and it also has no brain.

Ants far out number human beings in population and they are not nearly as intelligent as humans are.

As time passes things change, they don’t keep going in the same direction. They change with the times. I am sure mankind will not keep getting more and more intelligent as time passes. At some point mankind’s intelligence with begin to be lost as technology does all the thinking for us. Very few people calculate their taxes using their brain. They use technology for that. Very few people these days even use a dictionary to correct spelling, they use a word processor for that. Many tasks humans do are being taken over by technology. We no longer need to fend off wildlife, so a lot of our survival skills are being lost. I bet if you did a thorough study of the intelligence of man 1000 years ago, you’d find that man was actually more intelligent 1000 years ago, and that man is slowly losing it’s intelligence because of his technology.


I'm not sure where you are coming from on this one, you're saying my reasoning is flawed, I agree with your explanation, but the post you've quoted basically states that ones considered intelligence is just relevant, so I've already defended that view in the same quote... actually I agree with you on that point, I don't understand what part you're disagreeing with. I mean of course we cannot score intelligence because there is no baseline, so no one thing can really be intelligent unless it's compared to something else... I generally look at it strictly in relevance to the situation and environment.

I agree with your concept that we're losing a kind of intelligence but only in favour of another, for example, some would argue that being able to calculate sums in your head is more intelligent than using a calculator, but in my view, if the calculator operator can do more with their skills, then they are the more intelligent... also it's the nature of technology and humans to overcome problems and move onto the next... there may be no point in doing sums in your head if you use that mental power to build a calculator to do the sums for you... then again, it all depends on what a person considers "smart".

Also it's popular science's reasoning and it's generally considered a scientific axiom that progress is inevitable, so as time passes things actually do go in the same direction... the direction is towards progress, that does not mean progress for our species that means things in general and the cosmos in general... and in terms of technological and scientific development (don't forget that is the context of the discussion) time almost certainly equals technological advancement.

When we discuss aliens visiting earth we have to work on the assumption that they've at least advanced to some technological level which can only be done through iterative development over time or evolution.
 
Alien astronomers probably would bother with species on other planets, just like the nasa dudes. Their ASA (alien space agency 8) ) would probably try to do the same things we do.
The alien tax-administrator would maybe be somewhat less interested; we are in a different monetary zone.
 
i didnt vote as i feel making an assumption about the decisions likely to be made by a species holds no value.
i just think to make a decision one must have some facts about the situation at hand
I personally know nothing of alien life forms, their motives, intentions, shape, size, form, communication skills or what they hold as important.
assuming they even use language is a huge thing to assume.
things are the way they are on earth because of a lot of evolution - back in the day, oxygen wasnt a major component of the air we breath and therefore was toxic to life, therefore to assume an atmosphere composed of nitrogen and sulphur dioxide cant support life, would be wrong.
Extremophiles exposed this fact too by living in places that are far from our idea of life supporting - even using chemical reaction energy instead of food.
our understanding of life is based on how life is on earth - some aliens could be only visible in infra red or ultra violet light or not even take up a physical shape - perhaps even living on the gas giants - well evolved to their situations, taking the shape suitable for that environment may mean taking a gas form. (we are solid - some spp of slime mould is almost liquid - why cant life be a gas ?)
 
IMO if alien lifeforms were to visit us, its best to assume they would be somewhat similar to ourselves (land based, solid, some form of language, from another similar planet). Obviously there are many posibilitys for different types of alien life, but theres no need to overcomplicate things. If gas based beings or beings from a different dimension exist, we have no real proof of their existance, and we dont know if they would be able to reach us, or even atall curious about us. Whereas there are easily enough stars and planets to home many civilisations which could evolve in a similar way to us. They would most likely be curious, like ourselves and some must clearly be far more advanced. This only leaves transport as a real difficulty, and look how far we have evolved technologically in the last few hundred years, travelling around the galaxy will surely become a reality for us if we can last long enough.
 
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