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Would you believe a septuagenerian complete noob?

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Red Cat

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Sure you would. In fact, it's probably what any rational person would think a septuagenerian would be, me included. And in terms of experience, that's exactly what I am. But I have been reading everything I could get my hands on regarding psychotropics for the last 40 years.

Greetings all,

This is my introduction, I'm grateful for the opportunity to join this group.

I'm 73 and have stage IVc Oropharyngeal cancer. At the moment, that means I have around < 3.5 years of life remaining, according to the statistics. Five year survival rate for Stage IV is 30%; for Stage IVc it's Zero. That clock starts from the diagnosis in July, 2011.

Of course, no one gets out of here alive in any event...

That's not a problem with me, many years ago I faced a man with a gun in his hand and the intent to murder me in his mind. He came very close, putting a bullet through my Iliac Artery (I bled out on the scene,) one in L3 (3rd lumbar vertebra) and two through the right leg (one of which went through the sciatic nerve, taking my right foot permanently off-line.)

None of that is a problem either, in fact, it prepared me for the rest of my life as it gave me the experience of facing death and finding it no big deal.

NARC, NARC, Who's there…?

At the time, I was an undercover agent of BNDD (which is now DEA), and this all happened in Vietnam in 1967. I got medevaced to the states, got my temp colostomy closed and relearned to walk, and was back in Vietnam in about 12 weeks. I remained in Vietnam for nearly 4 years after that.

For the record, I have concluded that the entire "great roar on some drugs" is not one of the powers delegated by the constitution to any branch of government, and as a result, I do not consider myself (or anyone else) bound by laws against (some) drugs.

Yeah, I know. Reality does bite sometimes. Like now. Pity, but there it is.

NARC NO MORE!

Returning to the US and leaving "Law Enforcement" forever, I realized that, although I had been involved in extreme measures in the name of eliminating the growing Heroin problem affecting the US Troops, I really knew nothing about drugs beyond the fact that everything I had been told by authority was totally bullshit. That, and I could take a test kit, test a substance and determine if it was H or not, and if so, how pure it was. So on my return from VN and departure from BNDD, I started buying books and educating myself.

Richard Alpert's book, "Remember, Be Here Now" was an eye-opener, and it got me interested in meditation as a means of accessing the same state as psychedelics, but "without the noise." That got me into buddhism (small b) and Zen and Tao, and the path that has led me here, now.

My countless attempts over the last nearly 40 years to still the internal dialog (monolog?) have failed, I cannot get beyond the ego in it's protective role. Ergo, I have decided to pursue an ethnogenic path to bypass the ego. Mushrooms seem to be the most accessible agent for me, everything carries an unacceptable risk of unhappy contact with my one-time employer. So the point in my being here is that I want to learn as much as I can about psychotropic substances so that I can produce what I need for my assault on the ego barrier.

I'd also like to learn enough to determine whether growing shrooms or buying plant materials from the net and extracting the active ingredients would be the best path for me.

Think about it, when one is my age, access to certain substances is somewhat restricted by local custom, if youth distrusts folks over 30, how do you think they react to a septuagenerian . As a result of this complication, I have never experienced any psychedelic drugs, in fact my entire drug experience is morphine (from getting shot), cannabis (weed and hash) and alcohol.

I'd like to expand on the experience of getting shot. It happened early in the morning following a night of very heavy drinking. We had been drinking at the NCO club of the Special Forces Mike Force camp just outside Pleiku Air Force Base and had to catch a truck taking the Hootch Maids back to Pleiku city, about 15 miles away, hoping we didn't get stopped by the VC on the way.

We arrived in the city and unloaded from the truck at about 0300. I was renting a room at a whore house about 3 doors to the right, and he and another guy were renting a small Villa (house not connected to another house by a common wall) 2 doors to the left.

He invited me in to have a drink to show that there were no lingering bad feelings over a a minor scuffle we'd had earlier in the evening. Since I had been cultivating him for a couple of weeks as an entree to the black market, I agreed. Bad move. (Imagine that, despite having a snoot full of booze, I still did something stupid!)

We entered his house into a small hallway, about 6' by 12' with a bathroom at the end opposite the front door, with a bedroom on either side opening into the hall at the back.

He asked me what I wanted to drink; I told him I'd have a Scotch and water as soon as I made some room, and then stepped into the bathroom to make some. When I emerged from the john, he was waiting between me and the door; but rather than the drink I was expecting, he was holding a Browning .32 Auto in his hand and wearing a look of pure hatred.

All the cliches are true. The. 32 cal hole in the end of that barrel pointed at me was so huge that I expected a train to come roaring out any second. I was literally petrified with terror because there was no possible escape route and he was just 6 feet away.

He sneered, "You made a bad mistake when you fu**ed with me earlier this evening; but you made a fatal mistake when you walked into my house because you're going to get your's right now!" Bang! He fired the first shot, and missed.

That only intensified my terror, there was no doubt he was serious. He did intend to kill me, he had the means to, and was attempting to, right now!

Then, at the peak of my terror, I had a moment of Satori!

I realized, in the buddhist sense of the term, that I had nothing to fear because I was a dead man; and dead men have nothing to fear. They have no bills to pay, no bosses or wives to satisfy; and nothing on earth can hurt a dead man.

I was 28 at the time, and those fears had dominated my life to that moment; but not beyond that moment. At that moment, that moment of Satori, the rush of relief at the lifting of the weight of Fear was more intense than an orgasm!

That moment has remained "this" moment ever since. Those who know me well understand when I say that that of all the lucky things that have happened to me in my life, I am most grateful, most appreciative of getting shot.

The recovery from the wounds was truly horrific, almost every fold of intestine was hit, liver and spleen; spine took a direct hit and the bullet ricocheted around to lodge in the rear of L3 taking out nerve ends (which do not regenerate) to the muscles in the hip girdle responsible for rotation on the right side.

But the most horrific pain passes. Life goes on. I also got that every emotion is nothing but a mind-state. Zen later helped me understand this, but the moment of Satori just before getting shot opened me when it dispelled my fear forever.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not enlightened (beyond the fact that we are all so, but most of us don't realize it. (that word again) But I am open. And if a mind-state is, it is my mind-state. Being my mind-state, I can simply change it. I choose to be happy in life, and I am. But I digress.

As I read this back to myself, I can't help but think "that guy is full of himself" and yet, I can't seem to find another way of expressing myself, so there you have it.

Well, that's me, nice to be here.
 
Thank you :)

That expression conveyed by that smiley face is simply not enough, the energies I felt during your amazing expression of your self will resound for eternity within my own being and without.

Not nearly as aged as you are, however, my advice is simply to look at the ego as, how another member of this forum put it, just a feedback loop that seems like reality.

I can't offer you much information as regards your entheogenic aims.

I think using simple words in the moment, such as

Still.


Drop.


Look.


Peace.

Be.


If you utter the word Be, with all of your intesnity as a human being, at the moment of death, It should offer enough energy to ride all the way to infinity, and beyond.


In the immortal words of shakespeare, "More than my all... Is nothing."
 
Thank you for the warm welcome, Cubeananda, that was very nice of you, and I appreciate your concern. I'll keep your suggestion in mind for the appropriate moment.
 
Hello Red Cat,

A very very warm welcome to the Nexus to you brother! Your Introduction was GREAT - what a breath of fresh air after a recent spate of trolldom.

More and more middle aged folks and elders are joining the Nexus these days and I LOVE it. I believe these voices (such as yours) need to be heard more around here.

Your life journey to date has been truly amazing. I resonated with it in that my husband has had something vaguely similar.

When the Vietnam draft came down for him, he went the draft card burning route and bugged out/up to Canada. Returned when the amnesty came down. Did every possible drug you've heard of including morphine and heroin.

Has just been diagnosed with Lymphoma - we are waiting for phase/type info. I suspect you can resonate with our feelings that be it six months or 20 years we will try to make the absolute best of the time left individually and between us to share.

There was so much in your essay, but let me just comment on your concerns regarding sourcing and illegality. We don't discuss sourcing much hear. Rather the bit philosophy here is literally to procure the plants and extract and/or to grow the plants from seed, then extract. You can find easy information on growing mushrooms at home via the internet, and our Mushrooms section. I think you are right that mushrooms are the way for you to start.

I'd also like to encourage you to join us nuts in chat - it can be a lot of fun, a great way to get to know folks here individually and a great way to get quick answers to questions.

I am voting Yes for Promotion for Red Cat and I encourage everyone else to immediately do the same.

Again, a very warm welcome to you.
 
Congratulations Red Cat on your fast promotion - it was well deserved. Thanks everyone who voted yes.

Now you can post anywhere you like in all the forums. Start threads, reply to threads, etc.

Always hope you'll check back in the Welcome Area too, :).
 
Hello Red Cat! Thank you for the great intro post; I really enjoyed reading it.

I second Pandora in asking you to come visit the chat some time! The link is on the top left :)
 
First, thank you very much for the warm welcoming messages, Pandora and elru, you make an old warrior feel right at home.

And secondly, my sincere thanks to all who voted for my promotion! I must say that this is as unexpected as it is welcome; I am truly honored by this!

I thank you also for the invitation to the Chat, although I'm not sure I'll have any opportunity to use it; my life is pretty hectic at the moment.

Pandora, I appreciate you gentle reminder about the policy concerning discussions of sources. I must apologize for giving the impression that this was on my mind, but I assure you that it wasn't. I mentioned my difficulties in locating a connection simply to hilite the necessity for me to do research on my own, and find my own sources as best I can.

(On reading the above, I'm not sure that I'm getting my point across, so here's another tack, an analogy. Say I want to have some asprin.

One way to seek help is to ask how to find a "source" (dealer) to get it from, another is to ask what "source" (raw material) is best.

The second usage is what I was referencing in my remarks. Would it be a violation to discuss the differences between two different (plant) sources for my asprin?
 
Mushroom growing should be simple enough for you to get started without. I highly recomend the famous videos (http://www.mushroomvideos.com/)for a quick run-down and the Mushroom Cultivator book by Paul Stamets for a complete reference. FOr a brief explanation on some basics you can check the link in my signature as well.

Welcome to the forum and thanks a lot for that intro essay!
 
Enoon said:
Mushroom growing should be simple enough for you to get started without. I highly recomend the famous videos (http://www.mushroomvideos.com/)for a quick run-down and the Mushroom Cultivator book by Paul Stamets for a complete reference. FOr a brief explanation on some basics you can check the link in my signature as well.

Welcome to the forum and thanks a lot for that intro essay!


There is no better starting advice for mushroom growing than what Enoon mentions.... all you need to know.

Welcome Red Cat! Good to have you :)
 
That's one intense story. Usually the intense experience reports around here are only life and death inside the mind. I know you seem to have restricted access to certain things, but your age shouldn't get in the way in terms of acquiring the materials necessary to extract DMT any more than it should for any of us. I would definitely encourage DMT extraction if you can. You can squeeze the experience of a dozen lifetimes into a considerably short period of time.
 
Welcome! Sounds like an experience few of us could truly understand. I recently had a very realistic dream where I was told to get into an electric chair and was to be executed. It was quite an experience even if only in a dream, to contemplate my mortality in such a tangible way.
 
Nice intro.

Always amazes me what vets have been put through, and how many of them come out of their war experience so very different from the way they went in. I hope there comes a day when we don't put young people (and it seems it is always the young who bear the brunt of it) through this sort of horror.

Aa for being a 73 noob, a friend of mine once told me, "You're never too old to have a happy childhood." 8)
 
Welcome, Red Cat. Happy to have you here.

You actually sound like a prime candidate for entheogens to me, and at what I believe is their highest and best use - that of mature and measured exploration of our place in the grand design. They can be also be a lot of fun (though this isn't always the case), and there is no shame in enjoying them for this purpose as well.

If this is indeed the road you want to travel at this point in your life, you have certainly come to the right place. Everything you'll need to know to get started can be found right here in this forum, and it's a community full of like minded travelers who will eagerly support you.

I hope to see you stick around, and to hear more of your journey as it unfolds.
 
For what it is worth NYU has done/is doing studies on cancer/EOL anxiety with psilocybin.

NYU Psilo

It may be of some interest. I have met a couple of the Docs involved and they seem like really caring folks.
 
Hello and welcome to the Nexus. Very interesting intro essay you have ! Good to have you among us :)

Be sure to drop around the chat and meet some of the people around here :D

Peace and love.
 
Enoon, thanks for the warm welcome and the kind words on my essay!

I appreciate your endorsement of Paul Stamets book, I have several books on ID and using mushrooms, and I believe that this, or an earlier book of his on the subject, is already in my library. I got in the the early days of my research, probably around '76.

And I've recently acquired the two CD set by Marc R. Keith of Mountain Mushrom Farm.

Next move I believe, will be to decide upon a strain and a method. I'm spending a lot of time on the shroomery researching these issues and am open to any suggestions.

And thank you, Pup Tentacles and Global, for the warm welcome! And for the welcome advice!

Nicechrisman, thank you both for your warm welcome, and for your PM. I'm not being rude by failing to reply; I wrote a reply and when I hit the post button, got a message saying that nooks can't use PM.

Anyone got any guidance as to when I'll be able to use PM? Many TIA for a clue…

And SpinCycle, your friend was dead right about never being too old to have a happy childhood. (insert an enormous grin about here…) I agree with everything you are saying about hoping that our children will one day no longer be faced with war, but I don't see it happening in the forseeable future. Alas.

As to my experience, getting shot was the best thing that ever happened to me, because although I no longer have fear to deal with; until that moment, fear had been the dominant emotion in my life, and it's never been a factor since.

Uncle Knucles, I like the way you think! I have no objection to having fun in the search, but my intent is deadly serious. And having browsed the forum for a bit, it was the general maturity of the members that prompted me to join.

ManifestTheMind, yes, I have heard and read and viewed videos of Cancer patients who have experienced help with their anxiety. In fact, I even contacted Johns Hopkins hospital and attempted to get into the current study. I was denied entry because I have no anxiety about death. I explained that I have some anxiety about the fate of my wife when I die and my income stops.

Nope, only death anxiety counts. Meh.

By the way, I haven't heard anything about growing new brain cells, but there are a lot of leads out there that suggest that the active ingredients in mushrooms have demonstrated an anti-cancer influence, and I am attempting to run those down as I find time (my most precious resource these days, and my scarcest.)

PupTentacle, I hadn't heard about the NYU study previously, I'll give that some attention. Thanks for the Link!

I was almost accepted to the Johns Hopkins study, and during our preliminary conversations (with the admin folks in Baltimore) they confirmed that there would be funding to bring me up there and house me for a long weekend about once a month during the life of the study. But then I had to answer a questionnaire that was all about death anxiety, and being unwilling to lie to gain entry, I got hosed. That's life, it's all good.
 
What a crazy life you've lived! Despite the tragedies you've endured, you come out of it better than before. Haha I love to share a bowl with you if I could - you seem to have garnered a lot of wisdom in your years.

I know it may seem weird, but I think I was meant to read this essay. I remember a dream I had a couple nights ago involving reading something on a forum (before I found this forum), and I had a lot of dejà vu as I read this. In particular, and I have no idea why, this line: "Mushrooms seem to be the most accessible agent for me, everything carries an unacceptable risk of unhappy contact with my one-time employer."
Whatever meaning is behind that, I have no idea.

But again, welcome to the forum. I'm new here too (I literally registered an hour ago) and I'm relieved that the people here are so friendly, and attract interesting people such as yourself!
 
Greetings Red Cat!!, always good to see a fellow traveler make their way into the Nexus Community. You have found the spot brother, and I assure you this place in of itself can help you to calm your ego and expand the infinite mystery :)

You said that you have Cancer in the latter stages??? I happen to be researching heavily into Cancer treatment currently and have found some pretty incredible things.

Please take the time to watch these as they will provide you info to possibly reverse your current physical ailment.

In order of importance. First is muy importante.

< RAW Cannabis Juice (Non-Psychoactive)

< Holistic Biochemistry of Cannabinoids

< Cannabis Oil and Skin Cancer

Eating Hemp Seed would be extremely beneficial as well, due to the nutrition and the perfect balance of Omega 3's to 6's. Would help fuel your Endo-Cannabinoids which are cellular healers/regulators/modulators made within your body. In addition to utilizing Cannabis in multiple contexts, I would suggest Cacao, Raw Chocolate, due to its incredible anti-inflammatory effects. Lastly I would suggest barefoot grounding, which is walking or standing on bare Earth for hours a day, a natural anti-inflammatory, as well as a cellular energizer (Zeta-potential). Even better would be swimming in the ocean or large body of water daily. Of course full body sun-exposure everyday for atleast an hour or two. Mushrooms either edible or psychedelic would certainly be strong healers, they have a good history of cleaning up messes :) You have come a long way brother, would like to know you made it further. Thank you for sharing
 
G'day all,

Thanks for the warm welcomes, everyone!

JourneyToJah, as I mentioned, if I get a chance, I'll drop into the chat; but in the immediate future, I won't have a chance. Thank you very much for the invitation!

Hi Missile, thanks for the friendly message and the kind words. I have been extraordinarily lucky in that I have, indeed, lived a very interesting life! Now I'm searching for the info and means to ensure that the final phase of that life is also interesting.

You said "In particular, and I have no idea why, this line: "Mushrooms seem to be the most accessible agent for me, everything carries an unacceptable risk of unhappy contact with my one-time employer." Whatever meaning is behind that, I have no idea." so let me clarify it for you.

My "one-time employer" refers to BNDD (which later became DEA); "Unhappy contact" means "arrest" and "most accessible agent" means something I can get without risk of arrest by DEA. I explained that my age and newness to the area mean that I have no reasonable means of contacting someone in the supply chain without such risk.

And to clarify further for the forum, I am not asking or suggesting that someone contact me with such a contact. Not only would such be disrespectful to the forum, but would be futile. It would be extreme folly to expect that such a message from any source that was of unknown reliability as chances of that not being a trap would be slim, in the extreme.

Hi Kronas! Yes, I'm in the most advanced stage, and it's incurable. I was stage IV for at least 6 years before being diagnosed the first time. After a treatment that covered the trifecta of treatments (surgery, radiation & Chemotherapy) all detectable tumors were eradicated.

But the 6 years before it was detected means that it was throwing out cancer cells into the lymphatic and circulatory systems for that period of time. This was proven by the appearance of a couple of tumors in my liver a year and a half later, and again by the reappearance of tumors in the liver again after being eradicated a second time; but this time it's in multiple locations. I'm 4 weeks and 1 day from the end of my current round of treatments (which are, thankfully, in pill form) this time around. I expect that my next PET scan (5 weeks from now) will show that this current outbreak is also eradicated. But I know it will show again, and that's cool too.

Thanks for the links, I'd discovered the one on the benefits of raw cannabis recently and I'm interested. I've had success growing my own stash when I live in MD in the mid-70s and later but I may not be able to grow under my present circumstances.

But I'm grateful for the links, which I will check out. Thanks for the consideration, that's very kind of you!
 
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