Yellowish spots after freeze precipitation(Q21's tek), what are they?

[tele]

Often after freeze precipitation from a q21q21's tek, I see these yellowish spots among the crystals(in the pic it's off white). It's a gooey stuff, but it hardens later on, it's the first thing to precipitate out from the naphtha(I can see it soon after freezing the naphtha). It changes color much quicker than the crystals, within about two days, it turns yellower/orange than originally. It seems that it has it's own slightly different effects. What is it? NMT? DMT oxide? Something else?
In the other pic, the gooey stuff is visible on the edge of the shot glass crystal formations.

Thanks!

 

[VisualAnemia]

Considering you use naphta (which I've never used) I suppose it could be plant fats/oils since, to my understanding, naphta pulls out alot more than just DMT.

Does it smell differently than the DMT? If not, try evaporating it further, fp, repeat to see if something falls out of it. If it's still yellow goo, I'd discard it as junk

Best of luck.

 

[tele]

Considering you use naphta (which I've never used) I suppose it could be plant fats/oils since, to my understanding, naphta pulls out alot more than just DMT.

It's naphtha and I know that, and I know it's psychoactive. But the question here is, what exactly is it.

 

[nen888]

..based on what i've seen and tested, and on endlessness' recent GCMS analysis of various 'jungle spice' samples [Mimosa hostilis and extract analysis thread (FASA, FASW, Naphtha, Limo, "jungle spice" etc - Plant Analysis and Substance Testing - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus],
NMT is the likely candidate..
i think the oxide should be more orange and it was only a possibility in just one of eleven samples..there were no 'plant oils' as such..
NMT is entheogenic at about 1/3 the potency of DMT..
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[VisualAnemia]

Considering you use naphta (which I've never used) I suppose it could be plant fats/oils since, to my understanding, naphta pulls out alot more than just DMT.

It's naphtha and I know that, and I know it's psychoactive. But the question here is, what exactly is it.

My point being; Since you described it as "goo" try and re-x it with heptane to see if you can further isolate the alkaloid. My guess is that it could be Yuremamine since this compound contains N,N-DMT, Yuremamine is also what's thought to be the weak mao-i in MHRB, a possibility

Since it's still a gooey product it would make sense since to my understanding it's difficult to completely isolate this compound with a normal a/b were it would just decompose due to the conditions.

Mostly speculations

 

[tele]

Considering you use naphta (which I've never used) I suppose it could be plant fats/oils since, to my understanding, naphta pulls out alot more than just DMT.

It's naphtha and I know that, and I know it's psychoactive. But the question here is, what exactly is it.

My point being; Since you described it as "goo" try and re-x it with heptane to see if you can further isolate the alkaloid. My guess is that it could be Yuremamine since this compound contains N,N-DMT, Yuremamine is also what's thought to be the weak mao-i in MHRB, a possibility

Since it's still a gooey product it would make sense since to my understanding it's difficult to completely isolate this compound with a normal a/b were it would just decompose due to the conditions.

Mostly speculations

At one point I thought about yuremamine, but it doesn't crash out with normal solvent pulls.

 

[VisualAnemia]

At one point I thought about yuremamine, but it doesn't crash out with normal solvent pulls.

Well alright then, you best get in touch with some biochem/old hippie then
Good luck, keep us posted!

 

[nen888]

..NMT often does not crystalize easily an remains an oil [see entheogenic effects of NMT (monomethyl-tryptamine) - Advanced/Enhanced chemistry - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus]
it is the only other main confirmed alkaloid in MHRB [tests by Burnt and endlessness], except Yuremamine [see Complex Indole Alkaloids ('Hyper-Tryptamines'?) from plants - Advanced/Enhanced chemistry - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus] but it is destroyed by basic and acidic conditions..
NMT color begins yellow, turning orange/brown over time..
it is also possible that it's DMT-N-oxide, but there is less evidence so far for it in actual tests on MHRB..
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[Hiyo Quicksilver]

As far as I can tell, it's a highly oxidized mixture of DMT, other alkaloids and probably some fatty contaminants, often referred to as honeyspice. It isn't oxide though, it is in my experience very different from oxidized freebase both physically and in effect. I have no idea what exactly it is, but is absolutely the single most incredible substance I have some in contact with.

It tends to come over in small amounts during q21q21's tek #2 as a result of the slight yellow tinge of naptha used nice warm pulls. Over the course of a large extraction and many uses of the same solvent (I try minimize use of the vile stuff), it will get very yellow and pull little DMT, often crashing little spots of yellow goo when cooled. (I was horrified to hear that some people have thrown away their solvent at this point)

If you pour a bit of methanol into the naptha and shake it up, the methanol will absorb all the yellow stuff from the naptha and leave it almost completely clean and ready to be reused yet again. Evaporate the methanol and you'll be left with an nice amount of that waxy golden stuff.

There's not much to say, it's one of those things you gotta do to get. Use a bit more than twice your normal DMT dose by weight, but no need to be to careful... She's very very gentle, and loves you so very much.

Try doing a couple extra nice warm pulls on your MHRB with your yellowed naptha and see what turns up... no sense wasting perfectly good psychedelic drugs, right? I think you'll like what you may find.

Godspeed!

 

[tele]

HQ: Sounds like NMT effects, that is, more needed, but still a psychedelic...

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

Most definitely psychedelic, though I imagine that most of the effects I experienced were from the DMT in the stuff. I do plan on doing a nice large extraction in the near future, isolating out a really potent sample of this stuff and having it laboratory tested just for my own reference (like I said, it's the A#1 of all psychedelics in my opinion).

 

[tele]

Most definitely psychedelic, though I imagine that most of the effects I experienced were from the DMT in the stuff. I do plan on doing a nice large extraction in the near future, isolating out a really potent sample of this stuff and having it laboratory tested just for my own reference (like I said, it's the A#1 of all psychedelics in my opinion).

If you find out what it is, let us know.

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

Just don't tell the Feds

 

[q21q21]

FYI, I have been following this thread, good stuff. I could only take a wild guess so that's why I'm only reading

 

[fidget]

A lot of these type of threads never reach conclusions. It would be great if this one did

 

[tele]

Just don't tell the Feds

Fedex?

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

Even Ex-Feds

 

[Dozuki]

Unfortunately, I don't think this thread will come up with any definitive answers. The 'other alkaloids' question has been around for at least 10 years. In light of some of the work done around here with TLC and GC-MS, I would have to agree with nen888 that NMT is the first candidate.

Next, there is the *possibility* of DMT Oxide. Fish et al (1955) states that the oxides are formed "with exposure to air, and that consequentially the isolation of its [DMT] oxide after extensive experimental manipulation may be an artifact". The only time I've had this compound come up on the 20 or so plates I ran was when I intentionally oxidized the sample. However, I don't re-use solvents and am of the belief that naptha is a good re-crystallization solvent and a very poor extraction solvent in these processes.

Thirdly; yuremamine degridation products. Their chemical structure is only speculation at this point. As far as I know, yuremamine itself has only been isolated by the original chemists reporting it. There is really not very much info on this other than yuremamine breaks down into "unidentifiable degradation products" with exposure to heat and alkaline (think STB, A/B, etc.) conditions (from the original 2005 article).

 

[YTXian]

I get that stuff too! I never really made the conection between that gooey stuff and the "orange spot". I just assumed that the gooey stuff was fats or DMT-n-o. I thought that the orange-spot was a bit of jungle that was pulled from useing a little heat when pulling with naphtha...
Once I scraped out just the orange spot and fired it up.
IT WAS AMAZING!
So veary much like DMT but diffrent quality (style?) of hallucinations all together!
Everything is where it is supposed to be but looks different! Diffrent dog, diffrent car, diffrent wall paper ect., ect.!
I always thought it was mostly DMT with that Betacarboline Burnt found in trace amounts in Mimosa Tenuiflora.
I also think that it is one of the most amazing substances I've ever come across!
So glad someone finally posted this thread because I simply didn't know how to approach the matter. It has lead me on a quest to try extracting spice from all kinds of sources to see what other flavores of DMT I can find.
Also trying diffrent teks and substituting chems in teks as well.
For ex. someone is doing a Q21Q21 tek but with muratic acid and amonia instead of acidic acid and lime. Also, someone may extract with cloroform instead of naphtha on this one...not sure yet. Someone says they are hesitent to use cloroform because of the toxic hazard with the air as well as the scarcity of cloroform.

 

[Spiceman]

If this stuff is completely freed from nn dmt it is what ive been calling earwax jungle for years,... most likely a product of the paticular brand of naptha you used as most naptha wont pick it up... if it is left to oxidize for along time... or i man left to dry for a couple of weeks and is completely freed of dmt by dozens of naptha washes .. then smoke it .. ive been preaching this for years... just type earwax in the search bar... if you use di-ethyl ether as a solvent after you exhaust the soup with naptha.. a pound of good brazilian bark will yeild 300 - 700 mg's of this stuff... peace and godspeed!