1 week of Syrian Rue Tea

[Ra-Horakhty]

Hello,
I've been taking Syrian Rue Tea for a week as a preparation for Syrian Rue + Mimosa Hostilis.

My first dose of Syrian Rue was 3.14g of whole seeds decocted three times with 150ml of water (3x30 minutes), I collected each decoction and mixed them together before reducing it to around 250ml.

I drank the tea and loved the bitter taste, I layed down waiting for the effect, and was mindblown by the strength of it, I felt deeply relaxed during the first hour.

I started having closed eyes visuals as well as emotions coming back to the surface as well as a deep feeling of forgiveness and compassion to myself and people I know.

I suddenly felt a strong urge to purge, I got up from the bed, was dizzy, I couldn't walk straight to the toilet, that's when I realized that I underestimated the plant, I started vomiting, for me it was similar to when I was purging with phenethylamines like mescaline, methallylescaline, 2c-b and 2c-e. Nothing was coming out, however I felt like I was purging the emotions I was feeling earlier. Then at the end I purged some bile and got back to my bed.

I starting feeling overstimulated in the front of my brain, that's when I realised that I took too much, my blood pressure also raised a lot.

The crazy thing is that I felt somehow connected to the same space of when I take psychedelics, it's the first time I experienced strong closed eyes visuals, way more than with psychedelics like mushrooms or LSD, I also was able to listen to any music I wanted in my head.

However things got dark very fast especially because my blood pressure raised a lot, I couldn't move or talk, I started having racing negatives thoughts as well as suicidal ideations but just kept observing without judgement. It lasted for a total of 6-7h, the stimulation took 24h to go away.

At that time I was like : ok, I underestimated the plant let's go slower.

For the next days I took only 1g, I still felt the uncomfortable stimulation but after 3 days it stopped, when It stopped, I then took the 1g of Syrian Rue with 3g of Mimosa Hostilis. I barely felt anything from the Mimosa and was kind of disappointed, because the Mimosa irritated my gut so much during the two followint days.

I concluded that I had to give Syrian Rue a little bit more time, respect and attention, I increased the dosage to 1.5g, it felt a little bit strong but no purging.

That's when I realised during the 1.5g that Syrian Rue was the receptacle and Mimosa the fuel, with Syrian Rue, I became aware of the energy blockages in my body, but couldn't release them, that's when I also realised the importance of Mimosa. If I had to compare them it would be like the dance between the masculine and feminine principle, one is getting things to the surface while the other is transmuting them.

I'll up slowly the dosage of Syrian Rue from 1.5g to 2.5g before attempting to take it with 5g of Mimosa Hostilis, my intention is to face and transmute everything that is blocking internally.

Thanks for reading ❤

 

[northape]

Thanks for sharing

Coffee and many other substances get potentiated by rue. You need to check your diet too. This plant teaches you how to live clean, both in body and mind.
Your first dose of 3.14g is closer to the advisable minimum for maoi effect. You need to deactivate mao first to get your mimosa to work. It seems you're quite sensitive, though.
So, I'd go as you planned with 2.5g of rue next time. Don't use 5g of mimosa. If properly cooked and activated, 5g is overkill for many. Go slow, starting from 1g.
First, you find your sweet spot with rue (usually 3-4g), and then slowly introduce mimosa. We have quite a few threads about this combo.

Anyhow, congrats! Rue is a very special plant. I'm glad that you've found each other

 

[Panpsychic]

This plant teaches you how to live clean, both in body and mind.

Abolutely yes. Rue is about purifying one self, physically and especially psychically. It aims at allowing you to be an ever greater conduit to higher dimensional consciousness, but for that it encourages you to clean up your act continuously. Only then the greater rewards will become accessible.

 

[Transform]

However things got dark very fast especially because my blood pressure raised a lot, I couldn't move or talk, I started having racing negatives thoughts as well as suicidal ideations but just kept observing without judgement.

Do you happen to have noticed what facial expression you may have held at any particular moment? I've found this to have a powerful impact on the content of the harmala visions, but only because they steered me in that direction in the first place.

 

[Ra-Horakhty]

Coffee and many other substances get potentiated by rue. You need to check your diet too. This plant teaches you how to live clean, both in body and mind.

It's funny because I drink Coffee everyday but when I started the Rue I felt repulsed by Coffee and some other foods.

It seems you're quite sensitive, though.

Yes, especially noradrenergic compounds which seems to be the case for Rue but I'm pretty sure it will improve week after week of daily use.

So, I'd go as you planned with 2.5g of rue next time. Don't use 5g of mimosa. If properly cooked and activated, 5g is overkill for many.

I've made more MHRB tea, I simmered 25g in 250ml, 3 times during 30 minutes, mixed the three decoctions, and reduced to 250ml, I then froze it, thawed it, let the plant debris sink to the bottom before drawing up the liquid with a syringe. Do you think it is properly cooked or there is a better method? Can I boil it instead of simmering it, or simmering is the best? Maybe increasing the cooking time?

Otherwise, thanks you, I also have a question for you, have you ever had the opportunity to mahasamadhi?

 

[Ra-Horakhty]

Do you happen to have noticed what facial expression you may have held at any particular moment? I've found this to have a powerful impact on the content of the harmala visions, but only because they steered me in that direction in the first place.

Hmm, my wife told me I was frowning, I'll be more conscious the next time I take Rue tea.

 

[Transform]

Hmm, my wife told me I was frowning, I'll be more conscious the next time I take Rue tea.

Thanks for confirming! Next time you notice the harmala visions becoming stressful, hectic or otherwise difficult or preposterous, try tuning in to those facial muscles and shifting up to a beatific buddha-smile. Based on this insight, I'd be curious to know whether some other yogic facial expressions/positions may prove to have further effect, although this would entail a whole new topic of exploration for myself.

Can any of our more experienced yoga practitioners offer guidance on the possible psychoemotional purposes behind particular yogic face contortions (or whatever the specialised terminology might be)? I could envisage that some of these facial expression might well lead to some far out places on a stiff dose of rue, so I'd be keen to establish a necessary level of caution rather than just diving in, er, head first.

@TransistorBass springs to mind with his Yoga practice thread:

Thread 'The Yoga Practice Thread'

Jan 10, 2026

Hello there under-used area of the Forum.

I realise I keep bringing Yoga into my other posts so it would seem sensible to create a Yoga Practice Thread so we / I can get to read about what everyone does.

I think I'm about 3 years deep in doing Yoga classes now, which started as doing one class a week but its ballooned into me doing it at home and I get 4-6 sessions in each week and even if I've not got a full 40-60 min session done I've been doing some simple stretches for maybe 5-6 years which I rarely miss unless we've gone on holiday etc.

Mostly Hatha Yoga though it depends which...

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so I guess all of you who've outed yourselves there are being, er, posed this question too - @Voidmatrix @Prima Materia @EmeraldAtomiser @ommani @northape ?

 

[TransistorBass]

Not that I can really offer any advice facial movements, but a smile and a chuckle can change the mood/direction of a thing just by smiling and chuckling.

 

[TransistorBass]

I started having closed eyes visuals as well as emotions coming back to the surface as well as a deep feeling of forgiveness and compassion to myself and people I know.

I think I'm personally starting to reach this point more in my Vaped, Changa'd, Harmala'd practices, so reading the words "forgiveness and compassion to myself" strikes true.

I've gone into DMT feeling like I've nothing to fix and that I'm a reasonable well balanced person / mind, but slowly, bit by bit, I'm finding emotions come to the surface, this has been tears and sadness for others (Even horrible others that do horrible things, I've been sad for them).

But the main sadness and emotion now seems to be connecting me to myself and my own physical pain and frustrations about what's going on in my body. I've definitely got more work and release to come in this area, so I guess you could say we all bottle things up and don't realise they are bottled / closed off from our normal waking lives.

Harmalas & DMT are working on un-corking that bottle.

I suppose you could say it all feels a bit weird for this to be happening to me, though its a good thing.

I shouldn't really be surprised as Cannabis has removed my Neuropathic pain completely, and I know that when we have persistent pain we all go about our lives, carrying on as if nothing is wrong........ Though once you find a way to remove the pain you start realising how much it's really been affecting you and your life.

When the constant grind of any type of pain is lifted our bodies notice.

 

[Panpsychic]

Next time you notice the harmala visions becoming stressful, hectic or otherwise difficult or preposterous, try tuning in to those facial muscles and shifting up to a beatific buddha-smile. Based on this insight, I'd be curious to know whether some other yogic facial expressions/positions may prove to have further effect, although this would entail a whole new topic of exploration for myself.

This is very interesting that you observed this...I made a post previously about an experience on Rue tea + DMT enhanced leaf regarding this. However in this case there was a literal involuntary physical force acting externally on the facial muscles and pulling them upwards like a puppet having strings pulled into an immense smile 'configuration' that I can't make outside the state, I could actually feel the facial muscles being moved and adjusted by a physical force acting on them. It was commensurate with a vision of future realities in a different plane of existence and lasted a good 15 mins or so.


Quite an incredible experience, like God saying "Smile, smile and experience joy like you never have, this is your future" and actually chaneling this through my physical system in a way otherwise not possible.

I can also however get a sense of how the opposite may be possible, if one had done bad perhaps...I don't want to imagine the levels of torment and horror that it could guide you through if it felt that was what was needed. Its not a matter of luck though, act rightly and you will be on the upward path.

I do (sporadic) meditation but not yoga. However based on my understanding these practices are configuring our system to be more in alignment with higher consciousness. So where Rue can accelerate this alignment its not just on the level of mind but also the actual physical body will be sometimes oriented into certain yoga poses or facial expressions accordingly.

 

[Transform]

I made a post previously about an experience on Rue tea + DMT enhanced leaf regarding this. However in this case there was a literal involuntary physical force acting externally on the facial muscles and pulling them upwards like a puppet having strings pulled

Could you link to this report? It sounds very much like the DMT contributed to activating that phenomenon. Certainly some food for contemplation in there too.

 

[northape]

It's funny because I drink Coffee everyday but when I started the Rue I felt repulsed by Coffee and some other foods.
Yes, especially noradrenergic compounds which seems to be the case for Rue but I'm pretty sure it will improve week after week of daily use.

I see that you get the picture already. Coffee brings lots of speedy energy when consumed close to Rue (wait at least 3 days after your last dose). Yes, your body kind of adapts with time, but most stimulants don't work well with harmalas. Yerba Maté is the only drink that somewhat works, ime.

I've made more MHRB tea, I simmered 25g in 250ml, 3 times during 30 minutes, mixed the three decoctions, and reduced to 250ml, I then froze it, thawed it, let the plant debris sink to the bottom before drawing up the liquid with a syringe. Do you think it is properly cooked or there is a better method? Can I boil it instead of simmering it, or simmering is the best? Maybe increasing the cooking time?

Yes, boil your mimosa instead. Barks are notoriously hard and need a good boiling. Powder the mimosa with a coffee grinder, use slightly acidified water at pH6 or below, and boil for 2-3 hours. The rule of thumb for any decoction is 30ml of water per 1g of dry material. So, to get the most out of 25g, you would need at least 750ml. I tend to cook it once in the proper amount of water at the right acidity (going to pH5 would get even more stuff out). As you can see, your way of brewing is quite close.

That freeze-thaw cycle is a well-known way to remove tannins. You can also do an egg-white filtration:
1. Filter your mimosa tea through a sieve to remove plant matter.
2. Add 1 egg white to 1 L of cold brew and stir.
3. Slowly bring it to a boil, stir, and wait until your brew separates. Use a plastic whisk and a big pot, because egg whites will foam.
4. Filter your tea through a coffee filter (it's easy when it's properly separated). You should end up with an almost clear tea with a reddish hint.
5. Reduce to a drinking volume.

Otherwise, thanks you, I also have a question for you, have you ever had the opportunity to mahasamadhi?

The only mahasamadhi that awaits this body is if they put me into the ground when I'm dead. Seriously, I get almost no visions nowadays, and all my work is mostly somatic.
Medicine nudges me towards life and sobriety too. The only reason I still drink is because I'm in a bit of a gridlocked life situation, so it helps me to cope and stay sane.

I feel that plant medicines are a part of life (samsara). If used properly, they are a good preliminary practice on your path. For some, they could even be a teacher of sorts.
Yet, medicine is a double-edged sword and can easily mislead you. Further, you always come back down to reality. Just read all these samadhi-like 5-MeO-DMT reports. All these people still come down from that cosmic unity and love. It should be a pointer in itself. We need to reach some stability and not be swayed by ego games.

You can find a similar development in dharma centers. Just go and see how many truly open-minded people are there, especially in the West. We are still shackled by our Christian upbringing, and many dharma followers are present only to get their own ticket to heaven. If they truly got Dharma, these centers would be empty. What about all the lamas who are constantly on tour fundraising for their monasteries? They have monks to feed, rather than worrying about liberation. Real lamas are living in caves right now, and we know nothing about them. We need to be clear about where we find ourselves, not create fairy tales about transcendence.

Feeding others is my mahasamadhi, helping a stray cat is my mahasamadhi, listening to a heartbroken friend is my mahasamadhi. Looks like I have more in common with traveling lamas than cave yogis

Thanks for confirming! Next time you notice the harmala visions becoming stressful, hectic or otherwise difficult or preposterous, try tuning in to those facial muscles and shifting up to a beatific buddha-smile. Based on this insight, I'd be curious to know whether some other yogic facial expressions/positions may prove to have further effect, although this would entail a whole new topic of exploration for myself.

I heard this from a meditation teacher some years ago and try to use a "buddha-smile" when I can. There is also a "he-he" laughing practice that he mentioned.
Basically, you start pretending to laugh (ha ha ha ha ha...) and at some point it becomes real laughter. This practice is used to prevent negativity, remove delusions, and clear your path forward. There is even a deity in Vajrayana associated with this practice - Hevajra.

I've gone into DMT feeling like I've nothing to fix and that I'm a reasonable well balanced person / mind, but slowly, bit by bit, I'm finding emotions come to the surface, this has been tears and sadness for others (Even horrible others that do horrible things, I've been sad for them).

It took me like 10 years to see that my normal upbringing was just a story I created to cope with life. It marked the beginning of some real healing for me.
We shield ourselves from heavy life experiences in order to survive, but with time that mechanism just covers reality. Medicine removes all these layers and lets you see what's what. Being true with yourself and clear is very precious.

I do (sporadic) meditation but not yoga. However based on my understanding these practices are configuring our system to be more in alignment with higher consciousness. So where Rue can accelerate this alignment its not just on the level of mind but also the actual physical body will be sometimes oriented into certain yoga poses or facial expressions accordingly.

Yes. I saw lots of kriyas (yogic movements) in my work before I started singing. Now that energy is usually channeled through the sound. Yet, sometimes a crazy movement comes up out of nowhere and puts a big grin on my face. I feel Rue points us towards harmony and balance with existence.

 

[Panpsychic]

Could you link to this report? It sounds very much like the DMT contributed to activating that phenomenon. Certainly some food for contemplation in there too.

Yes it was definitely the Rue + DMT effect combined. The initial time it occurred I was also at the tail end of a fairly strong LSD trip also. I have pretty much given the main description just now, but the original post was here.

Continuing this interactive relationship with the DMT Dimension or "God".
I received the call again but didn't partake right away...the anxiety and apprehensiveness about doing DMT still means I don't always go ahead with it. A few days later I had a high dose LSD session; visions of the higher planes and that our life here is a precursor to that life and a preparation.

Anyway I had taken in the morning and by the late evening I was basking in the afterglow and felt ok about taking some DMT. Drank my Harmala tea with a soft drink and waited an hour until about midnight.

Then it was time to partake. Amazing as always. I really can see the benefits of having a coherent metaphysical framework to navigate these experiences as your map is then so much broader rather than just limiting to this one life which is just a snapshot of the larger whole that is 'you' and the continuity of being.

As I recognized the vision of this future reality and the different planes of being an immense smile started to form on my face, a smile and such happiness I have never felt before. As I looked up and into the vision or dimension I could actually feel my facial muscles being pulled upwards into a huge smile that I have been unable to make before or since. "Its making me smile" I said. I am talking about an actual physical force acting on the facial muscles like a puppet having strings pulled upwards is what it felt like. The smile was involuntary and extended, it felt a bit like in the joker movie but it was solely positive. An ecstatic smile that isn't possible for me to form in baseline consciousness or even while tripping without this external force pulling it thus. "You don't smile enough" it seemed to be saying.

I recognized what is said in the ancient texts about the deva planes being filled with "exclusively pleasant sense contacts and experience". We cant fathom the life of bliss that awaits us if we live an ethical life according to truth and virtue. I was being shown a glimpse of these realities and the psychosomatic system needed to be reconfigured to be able to experience and express such levels of happiness. The forces acting externally on the facial muscles lasted the duration of the second part of the trip after I took a second toke, so about 10-15 minutes.

"Thank you, thank you" I said looking up to God for giving me this gift.

This is not something I have ever experienced before on any psychedelic and I am in awe of the experience still.

To add to that since then, the "externally guided psychosomatic smile" has now occurred a few times on Rue tea + smoked DMT alone. It is always similar, the feeling of a very real pulling of the facial muscles into a smile that can't be made normally. I am interpreting it as being guided from On High therefore feel gratitude, but can definitely see if one didn't have this framework and interpreted it as being caused by entities or poltergeists or similar it could majorly freak people out, especially if it was a negative emotion and corresponding contorted face being externally pulled into.

It generally is accompanied by a vision or sense of a higher dimension of existence and that the smile and happiness it is guiding is of the order of these levels beyond the usual human level of happiness. Like a preview of sorts and reconfiguring the system to be able to access this. I understand some dont necessary accept the existence of higher dimensions of existence which for me is a shame, because from my perspective the Rue and DMT can clearly interface with some of these possibilities on a real ontological level, and potentially your future self.

Yes. I saw lots of kriyas (yogic movements) in my work before I started singing. Now that energy is usually channeled through the sound. Yet, sometimes a crazy movement comes up out of nowhere and puts a big grin on my face. I feel Rue points us towards harmony and balance with existence.

This is a good insight. Perhaps the various spiritual practices out there are different modalities of expression and configuration, and it makes sense for some when say that "singing or dancing is my meditation"

I do feel though that to go really deep, stillness and inward focus is necessary and the experiences will include that by making movement and outside engagement near on impossible.

 

[northape]

It generally is accompanied by a vision or sense of a higher dimension of existence and that the smile and happiness it is guiding is of the order of these levels beyond the usual human level of happiness. Like a preview of sorts and reconfiguring the system to be able to access this.

As some may know, in Vajrayana they studied our subtle body to quite a depth. You can find whole guides with channels, winds, and how they influence our material bodies.
I'm just curious about it all and know close to nothing, though. My theory is that medicine sometimes opens certain channels and allows a higher experience to happen. Your dmt smile could be a physical representation of such an opening in your subtle body. One time when I was sitting straight in a medicine session, some force pulled on my shoulder blades in order to align my back. It coincided with one of the highest experiences of my life. My shoulders ached for a few days after that, so it was not just in my head.

This is a good insight. Perhaps the various spiritual practices out there are different modalities of expression and configuration, and it makes sense for some when say that "singing or dancing is my meditation"

I do feel though that to go really deep, stillness and inward focus is necessary and the experiences will include that by making movement and outside engagement near on impossible.

As I have a few years of singing-style ceremonies under my belt, I can comment a bit from my own experience. I feel singing is more like a preliminary step before engaging in sitting meditation. Even in sober kirtan practice, they tend to spend a few minutes in silence at the end. That silence or stillness does feel like the next step. After lots of struggle with meditation, kirtan came into my life. It's a kind of pranayama too, because singing regulates your breathing pattern. What I get out of it is mostly a sense of harmony after a good session. Rue opens the door for singing, and dmt plants provide energy to guide it through the system. I got more out of this style than all my years before it.

 

[blig-blug]

Coffee brings lots of speedy energy when consumed close to Rue (wait at least 3 days after your last dose).

I think three days is far from a minimum. Caffeine's half life is somewhere between 3 and 5 hours. Assuming 5, and 6 half lives to be on the safest side, that's 30 hours. I'm not doubting that some people may benefit from or prefer to wait longer, and some will metabolize it even slower, but after 30 hours it should be completely gone for most people. So, if we are talking about the minimum ("at least") for caffeine to not be a factor, 30 hours sounds more adequate.

I've personally only found caffeine to be a problem when taken the same day, before harmalas. Taken about 6 hours after harmalas, or about 16 before, it has never been a problem. But that's only my experience. I also have a high tolerance to caffeine.

most stimulants don't work well with harmalas

I agree, in general. But don't forget nicotine (I got that from you!). While it's not something to be taken often (unless one already does), it seems to be very helpful when harmalas make one feel very sick and one has to move for some reason, such as being outdoors. I've found it particularly helpful with strong doses of caapi.

 

[northape]

I've personally only found caffeine to be a problem when taken the same day, before harmalas. Taken about 6 hours after harmalas, or about 16 before, it has never been a problem. But that's only my experience. I also have a high tolerance to caffeine.

I usually get problems with coffee after a strong rue/caapi dose. Sometimes it's fine, but most of the time my system gets overstimulated to the point of tachycardia and insomnia. After many trials, I came to the conclusion that after 3 days most of the harmalas get cleared and that strange synergy with coffee disappears. I don't think it's caffeine that is giving me problems, because I can drink yerba maté even under the influence of rue. Maybe my body is just strange

 

[Ra-Horakhty]

Thanks for all your answers and insights. I was reading each one of your answers will being completely knocked out by 2g of Syrian Rue lol, I truly appreciate it.

I feel like a big part of the effect that comes from Syrian Rue isn't just the MAO inhibition, it has something special.

I've tried hundreds of herbs, supplements, vitamins, minerals, medications, psychedelics and empathogens. Syrian Rue is the only plant that has really helped me let go and fully surrender to my emotions, as well as looking at things from a completely different perspective.

For some context, I’ve suffered from digestive and neurological problems my entire adult life; I’ve lost everything—my career, my family, my friends. I tried everything under the sun to get better, but nothing worked. It was only recently, thanks to my wife during a LSD+MDMA trip, that I realized I had a lot of emotions and traumas blocked in my physical body, we were both in a trance state and she was using her energy to get everything out to the surface, I could feel her hands (without any physical touch) and energy going through my body, I would uncontrollably shake then feel emotions/trauma/fears raising up from different places to the heart area, feeling them intensely before being released. At the end I felt the energy moving from the bottom of my spine to the head and felt the center of my head implode, at that moment I realised that the health issues were just part of the identity I was attaching to, and the seeking for a cure was just a coping mechanism nourishing the attachment, that healing occurs on a much higher level than just the physical.

To get back to Syrian Rue, I feel like it's working on a much deeper level. Yesterday when I took 2g, I was in a half awake dream state, I could barely move. A lot of memories started coming back to the surface, some of them were unpleasant but I just accepted it, others were a reminder that not everything that happened in my life was bad. It also bringed me back to the realisation that healing requires complete surrender.

Today my neurological pain is barely noticeable, my gut is making a lot of movements/noises and the belief of being "physically ill" is barely existant.

I also feel less scared to try Rue + Mimosa. I will first try 3g of Rue again tomorrow, once I feel ready, I'll add the Mimosa

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Ime any negativity from rue is caused by uncomfortable physical sensations, but the more you work with rue the more you will learn how to control these sensations, for example when i first started working with rue when i would take too much the rough body load would trigger pretty scary and overwhelming trips with a negative vibe, but after a while you get to have almost full control of those sensations, mainly by breathing, and some specific body movements.

Rue is a very gentle plant, but you might not percieve it as "gentle" if your not fully pure physically and spiritually, the side effects you might get at the beggining is just the rue cleaning you up.

Even the drowsiness and the lack of coordination, i know for a fact that this is also part of its healing, because after getting past the side effects of huge doses by taking them daily, the lack of coordination turns into full on athletisim and strength and agility and balance, i can take 8-10g right now and stand up from the floor with only one leg pretty easily, and run with really good balance while barely feeling tired.

Trust the rue and the reward is infinite.

 

[Transform]

Re: psychoemotional residues in the body - there have been some good discussions in @TransistorBass' yoga thread.