15~ mg (Probably more) almost breakthrough like?

[Crey]

Is it possible that 15mg+ feel almost breakthroughlike? I must say that it was my 4th expierience with DMT and also was the one with the most effects.

I vaped it through a pipe and there was also a rest from the session before so probably was at 18mg but I’m not sure how much DMT I got in my system. While I was watching the DMT vaporize in the pipe I felt the hit immediately and it was a long and consistent hit I really was careful to not burn the DMT and noticed immediately that I did a good job. I bearly could put the pipe back on the table because of the heavy Bodyload, and I held the smoke in for another five seconds after putting the pipe down. My feelings were mixed like „wow that’s amazing“ and holy fuck what’s happening right now that’s scary“ I was totally overwhelmed but all in all I am glad for the expirence. I felt like there was the presence of goblin like creatures but only like the energy and they were not there physically, room was dark and outside also btw I had a red lavalamp on. I felt like I am one with my environment, the tree outside was also part of one room. Outside and inside felt like one single room but not physical more like the energy, if you understand what I mean. The tree did wild stuff and was kinda like the main part of the trip for me, it looked elfish like with many swings and Ournaments then it had faces and at the end it was a single changing kaleidoscope those things happens so fast. I was terrified and amazed at the same Time of this experience and I think I have to do more „lowdose“ expierences before going anywhere higher. What would you say wich Level have I reached? I’m curious what’s possible was it a breakthrough?

 

[Koduckushi]

I wouldn't be too worried about whether the experience was a "breakthrough" or not. I only say that point out that any given experience is subjective. Trying to catalogue one's experience in comparison to another person is... problematic... in that we all experience something different internally. Some people are slightly more tolerant, differ in method of intake, and set/setting can play a major role in the experience, just to name a few. I have been able to take more away from sub breakthrough doses than my higher ones more often than not. The difference usually being strong emotional resonance rather than vivid or strange visual/perceptual phenomena. Different strokes for different folks and such...

That aside, I'm glad you enjoyed the experience! It sounds like it was a wonder to behold. That feeling of one-ness and interconnectivity is beautiful. Nature is always a great friend while tripping, and I'm happy the tree got to do a little dance for you While I haven't experienced any little elves/goblins/jesters, I have felt several different presences in past explorations of the space, they are not uncommon. Some visible, some merely a feeling that "I'm not alone." These various "entities" can sometimes feel uncomfortable to be around and or witness, but I feel they are part of the test of letting oneself go.

 

[Varallo]

Sounds like interesting experience, the duality is so recognizable, and 15 mg plus some is enough for me and others to get to the other side. From what I read in your post I think you didn’t break through but you might have been on the edge. From my experience it seems that the breakthrough is something that happens when it happens, and then you will know for sure you have. After practice it is something that becomes easier and the amount of dmt you need seems to get smaller. In a way it’s a skill you can hone. If you want to you could up the amount to 20 and then to 25 mg, at these amounts I’m sure you will be able to break through especially since you have the skill to vape it properly.

Having said that I think it’s best to take a laid back approach to the whole breaking through thing and just slowly feel yourself moving in and around the dmt space, sooner or later you’ll have a breakthrough.