burnt said:
He takes on the main myth. Your little dmt consciousness awareness myth isn't worth discussing to NASA scientists. He focused on the cosmological myths which are obviously causing the biggest concern among uninformed members of society.
The DMT myth was ALL T Mckenna's wild speculation who later even admitted he wasn't even that serious about it. Its not even worth debunking because there is nothing to debunk, its complete nonsense.
The consciousness myth is baseless speculation by writers in the new age movement although you refuse to see that.
The worst part is you haven't even watched the entire video or read the article so how am I even supposed to discuss it? That happened so many times with so many articles I posted here. Its frustrating to discuss things with people who don't even consider the other sides point of view.
Welcome back burnt, glad you decided to contribute rather than just show contempt and leave. At least you were able to admit your open contempt, contempt which has hindered your ability to have a civil meaningful discussion with others who do not share your version of the "truth".
I have not been a porponent of the DMT myth, not even sure what you are talking about...you must be confusing me with someone else. You made the claim for this post that the 2012 myth was debunked "extensively" which is incorrect. It was debuned "narrowly" and in csses "incorrectly".
I have read many of the articles you have posted here, and pointed out the flaws in them, which you then convieniently ignored. A refutation of quantum consciousness which was written 30 years ago, was your mainstay! Oh how much the world has changed. You articles were as lacking in "proof" as those you were claiming to debunk, so you shouldn't be frustrated that people didn't read them, you should be frustrated that you were unable to sufficiently back up your point of view with relevant information. I have considered your ponit of view extensively, and have always been respectful, asked questions, invited debate, only to have you insult and storm away in a huff like an 8 year old who didn't get their way. I understand your point of view, but you have done a poor job of defending it in discussions, and always resort to deluded, baseless, nonsense, ruining, degrading quality insults. Yes they are insults, no matter how much you try to sugar coat it. I am not offened, you cannot possibly offend me, and I actually laugh becasue they are just a reflection of yourself and your insecurity.
Why do I need to watch/read more than I already have when it is clear that he is talking about a narrow, Hollywood influenced interpretation of the idea? I agree with him, I didn't need to watch anymore as his whole argument is based on a destruction of the world scenario which is nonsense. I agree with you. It is fear mongering at its worse. The question he should be asking...Why is the mainstream media putting out all the doom and gloom, we're all gonna die, its the destruction of the planet scenarios?
He also has not done very good research on the topics he does discuss, as he got a bunch of things wrong. The Mayans do have something to say about this time, but he claims they are silent, that we should go "ask them". The Mayans have spoken on this issue, but obviously he couldn't take the time to find out what they are saying even though it is easily available.
I agreed that he did a good job of debunking a particular facet to the myth. It is also obvious that he was playing to a receptive audience, hence the dirisive laughter you often hear when he makes points. Mocking others beliefs seems to be one of your favorite pastimes, so I understand why you liked this video.
My contempt is largely aimed at members such as yourself for ruining the level of discussion we used to have on this website. Its not thinly veiled either I was quite clear on my feelings about how people such as yourself have degraded the quality of this site. .
Do you honestly believe this? That my or anyone elses presentation of ideas, in one of two forums, which are not even the main focus of this site are degrading it? If the moderators feel I am degrading the site, then please ban me as I would not want to do that. I have too much respect for the people here to ruin their experience and their ability to think in a particular way...which is apparently "burnt's" way.
You take yourself far too seriously if you do. I think there have been some really good discussions, and my perceptions have often been swayed by insightful, respectful, intelligent conversations. I am far from dogmatic, please look into a mirror and see the blinders you are wearing that narrow your vision. Our perceptions of what is possible, become our beliefs in what is possible, and people do not know what they do not know.
Its true too I see that you have numerous threads with more of this quantum awareness shifting nonsense. Its really obvious that you don't understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand neuroscience, and you don't understand that you don't understand these things. Normally I would have spent lots of time coming up with evidence to show why largely what you are hinting at is baseless or untrue. But I have come to accept that most people here simply are not ready to have such discussions anymore. They think its "too mean".
Because I do not agree with
your particular interpretation of quantum mechanics, I am therefore spouting nonsense, and I don't understand? Are you a physicst? The ideas that I have been bringing up for DISCUSSION are those based on physicists, many who have had their doctorates for twice as long as you have been alive. They have their interpretations of something that is still not well understood. You back other physists who have their interpretaions of something that is not well understood.
Now if there was common agreement and understanding of this branch of reality and I was way off base, then your holier than thou attitude could be understood if not condoned, but there isn't...so you are really in the dark as everyone else. Therefore you do not understand either, and look down your nose at others from a state of ignorance.
There is no nice way to tell people what they believe is baseless speculation. Not only baseless speculation but self contradictory bordering on religious dogmatism. Yet time and time again you have continuously refused to admit or even consider that your a victim of viral psychedelic marketing. Many people here are. They think they are free thinking yet they are really just rehashing old arguments people have been making since the 60's that really have pervaded into the general public's "conscious".
You are so full of baseless assumptions it is almost scarry. Baseless speculation? Self-contradictory religious dogmaticism? I have considered very thoroughly the outside influences which may be coloring my thought processes and understanding. I have considered the viral marketing nature of these ideas. I have not been brainwashed into thinking and percieving the world around me in a very narrow way. I am not an unconsious atomaton who believes everything he has been told...I question everything!
Don't you think it is interesting, that ideas that began 70 years ago have kept around, even though materialists have attempted to squash them with "reason" for that whole time...and that these concepts are gaining in popularity as more people become aware of them in the modern age with the internet? And we aren't just talking about uneducated, unintelligent people. Some of the best minds we have today support many of these ideas. Men of science, that pillar of reason and truth that you seem to hold such high esteem in. Look around, it is your colleagues who are beinging to understand this paradigm.
You can take it as an insult but thats your problem not mine. I am only trying to point out the truth.
Your tone is insulting, more so to your own intelligence and ability to communicate more than anything else. You are tying to point out YOUR truth, which works for you, but no one else. I certainly would not want to live in your world, to have such a narrow perception.
Just look at alternative medicine for all the examples of this you need. Just peruse any modern book store and you will find all the proof you need. You can find a book on nearly every single idea you and others hear have had concerning the cosmos, consciousness, and psychedelic drugs. Almost none of your reasoning is original or new or has any evidence beyond your own subjective delusions. All this energy healing crystal new age nonsense is an offshoot of psychedelic mysticism gone commercial and individuals such as yourself are proof that its working.
Have you ever participated in any of that which you are so quick to put down? Have you ever had acupuncture? Have you ever had Reiki? Ever had an Aura photograph taken? Ever seen a channel or intuitive reader? Do you have any personal experience with any of these things, or are you basing your uniformed opinions on other people or simply an inexperiential belief system?
I base my beliefs on personal experience. I have always been a skeptic, but an open minded one, able to try things out to determine for myself whether they have any validity, or if they have any meaning for me. To say something is one way, when you have never had the experience youself is disengenious.
2012 has alreay happened for some people, some people are in the midst of it, and for others it will occur in the future or not at all. It is not a singular event that everyone will experience in the same way. It is a process. Some are ready for it, others not, and either way it makes no difference in the grand scheme of things.
More vague nonsense.
Vague to you maybe, but I'm sure there are those here who know exactly what I'm talking about. But I would encourage them not to admit it as they will be labeled with me as "what is wrong with this site" because we do not have the same reality tunnel as you do. Again, people do not know what they do not know. If you can explain to me how I would describe color and music to a blind and deaf person, then I might be able to help you understand.
Its frustrating to just be accused of being a materialistic 'scientism' promoter. I never even considered myself a materialist until people here lumped me into that category. All I do is look at evidence and try to come up with reasonable conclusions based on that evidence. If that steps on peoples toes too bad.
You are a scientific materialist. Don't be frustrated by what you are. This is your perception of the world, do not be ashamed of it or try to run from it. You have a valid perspective (which I have said many many times, even though it is as far to one extreme as one can get and dogmatic) and I really enjoy your contribution to threads when you can do it in a thoughtful and intelligent manner. Unfortunately you often cop an attitude and treat people like shit who do not think as you do. If we were in a true debate format, you would lose them all with your inability to restrain your passion which impairs your logic and ability to communitate your position to the best of your ability. It is not what you say, it is HOW you say it.
As time has gone on, you have become more insult than fact, and sadly that degrades the entire conversation (I could say board, but won't as that is just too absurd a statement to make about one person.)
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