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25B NBOMe
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RealAwareness
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I have tried the i, c, and b variations, and they are all quite different to me. It seems to depend on your own individual brain chemistry, how they play on your receptors, but to me the b was emotionally flat - the usual psychedelic affects, but just lacking any kind of depth. Adding 300ug of 25i to the 1mg of B was needed to bring it to life.
On its own, c does bring a lot of lucidity and inner honesty for me - it doesn't have the happy-joyful-we-adore-thee type of emotional euphoria I get with i, but it does go deep. It's a good one on its own, but personally I wouldn't go over 1mg with it, as I find the interior, closed-eye imagery to begin taking on macabre aspects, dark, twisted figures, grotesqueries even. It's a very good one to take if you want to deal honestly with any issues in your life, but without the soft, loving compassion I feel when I take the 25i.
My favorite alone is the 25i; it is quite entertaining, and the CEVs are beautiful. Doses above 1mg and I start having full-blown side shows going on in my peripheral vision, and the visuals have a real high signal-to-noise ratio in terms of alteration in thought processes; I begin having incredible OEVs and CEVs at around 1mg. Working up to 2mg becomes a full-blown incredible experience, of CEVs that turn into full-blown movies, and deeply psychedelic expansion of awareness and pure cognition.
However: Nothing in this world that I have ever tried compares to the sheer, ecstatic beauty of combining 25i with 25c, but to hit this magic synergy, and speaking only for myself, your mileage may vary, I find the ideal ratio to be 3-4 parts i to 1 part c. I also find introducing the c just as the i is starting to kick in nicely, about the 90 minute mark, to be miles above simply taking the two together; taken at the same time, I note the unique aspects of each, but no real synergy. Taking 500ug to 1mg of the 25i, and then adding 1/4th of that with 25c, produces a unique experience I do not find in either of the compounds alone, or when dosed at the same time. At that point you can redose both in the same ratio to go deeper or longer, up to about the 4 hour mark, when it seems tolerance begins setting in.
The way I told a friend live while chatting during my peak the first time I tried this was simply "Good God. The Heavens Have Opened! I can positively affirm that the tiered combo of 25i with 25c is tied with LSD as being the most incredible psychedelic experience I have ever had!" And that is saying A LOT, lol.
With this combo, for me anyways, the spiritual component that many say is lacking with this class of substances comes alive completely when dosed in this way, and in this manner.
The perfect medium to medium high dose for me with no tolerance is 1mg 25i plus 250ug 25c 90 minutes into it. It takes what is always a positive experience for me and transforms it into something so profound, so beautiful, so sublime, so lucid, that in some ways I think it surpasses LSD in terms of pure Joy. But it is it's own creature. There are aspects of the experience that are very similar to LSD, but I agree with those that state these substances taken on their own lack the spiritual depth you can experience with (good) LSD or Mushrooms. DMT is in such a league of its own that one simply can't compare it, and I haven't gone past 35mg of DMT yet in any case, so can't compare a breakthrough experience as I have yet to have one.
What I can say is that the 25i/25c tiered combo is the most tear-jerkingly beautiful thing I have ever experienced, and I've experience quite a few spiritual trips. It's like this combo and timing hits the right receptors in the perfect synergy, and the Heavens Open. That's all I can describe it as. It becomes incredibly lucid, with deep insight and compassion for the human condition, and my own personal condition. I have only done this combo twice now, and is the only way I'll ever dose with these substances again. And the nice thing about the nbomes is you can redose and go higher, so if you are nervous, start with 250ug, then after an hour, add another, etc. It lets you build up to going really, really deep, to about the 4 hour point when tolerance starts appearing.
Just be forewarned that there is a point with this substance that taking more is not a good idea. It doesn't have the margin of safety that LSD, Shrooms, and DMT does - if you take too much, you can have a seizure or even die - there are in fact documented deaths with kids not measuring properly and ingesting insane amounts. 9mg will probably put most people in the hospital. I personally would never take it past 3, and that I would build up to, not dose all at once.
What a previous poster said about being leery of blotter is spot on. A lot of nbome sellers don't know how to lay properly, and you end up with some blotters being 500ug that are sold as 1mg, and some on the same sheet containing 4mg. I actually had to abort one 25i trip when I was already flying quite nicely (and the only time I've ever aborted a trip), and redosed with what must have been a 4mg tab. Fortunately, I fly with a parachute, and the combination of benzos, beta blockers and dyphenhydramine killed it. I was having a fantastic time, but began experiencing serious tremor, and knew I had hit a mislaid tab. The head trip was amazing though, standing in the rivers of Time and Destiny.
The only one of the 3 I've tried (I've yet to try the D) that I experience any vasoconstriction with is the b - but everyone is different, and it's completely the opposite for other people. Taking normal to medium-high doses of i or c gives a nice body high, but I experience zero discomfort or vasoconstriction (except for the one instance where I hit a heavy tab on a redose, but it was gone as soon as the beta blocker kicked in).
But in all seriousness, the two 25i-25c tiered combo trips rank among the top 3 trips of my life, the first being the first time I had LSD. It's not like seeing beauty, it's like seeing Beauty Itself. Two sessions with that combo has literally changed my life. But I don't use these substances often, simply because it's an RC, and the fact does remain that we have no real evidence regarding the safety of long-term use. We are guinea pigs, so I guess we'll know in a few years lol. I'm personally brain-fogged the next day, whether I dose low or high, not refreshed as I am with shrooms or Changa (the only way I can handle DMT at this stage). That leads me to wonder if there is some serotonin-depletion as people experience with MDMA, and gives me what is probably a healthy attitude of caution.
On its own, c does bring a lot of lucidity and inner honesty for me - it doesn't have the happy-joyful-we-adore-thee type of emotional euphoria I get with i, but it does go deep. It's a good one on its own, but personally I wouldn't go over 1mg with it, as I find the interior, closed-eye imagery to begin taking on macabre aspects, dark, twisted figures, grotesqueries even. It's a very good one to take if you want to deal honestly with any issues in your life, but without the soft, loving compassion I feel when I take the 25i.
My favorite alone is the 25i; it is quite entertaining, and the CEVs are beautiful. Doses above 1mg and I start having full-blown side shows going on in my peripheral vision, and the visuals have a real high signal-to-noise ratio in terms of alteration in thought processes; I begin having incredible OEVs and CEVs at around 1mg. Working up to 2mg becomes a full-blown incredible experience, of CEVs that turn into full-blown movies, and deeply psychedelic expansion of awareness and pure cognition.
However: Nothing in this world that I have ever tried compares to the sheer, ecstatic beauty of combining 25i with 25c, but to hit this magic synergy, and speaking only for myself, your mileage may vary, I find the ideal ratio to be 3-4 parts i to 1 part c. I also find introducing the c just as the i is starting to kick in nicely, about the 90 minute mark, to be miles above simply taking the two together; taken at the same time, I note the unique aspects of each, but no real synergy. Taking 500ug to 1mg of the 25i, and then adding 1/4th of that with 25c, produces a unique experience I do not find in either of the compounds alone, or when dosed at the same time. At that point you can redose both in the same ratio to go deeper or longer, up to about the 4 hour mark, when it seems tolerance begins setting in.
The way I told a friend live while chatting during my peak the first time I tried this was simply "Good God. The Heavens Have Opened! I can positively affirm that the tiered combo of 25i with 25c is tied with LSD as being the most incredible psychedelic experience I have ever had!" And that is saying A LOT, lol.
With this combo, for me anyways, the spiritual component that many say is lacking with this class of substances comes alive completely when dosed in this way, and in this manner.
The perfect medium to medium high dose for me with no tolerance is 1mg 25i plus 250ug 25c 90 minutes into it. It takes what is always a positive experience for me and transforms it into something so profound, so beautiful, so sublime, so lucid, that in some ways I think it surpasses LSD in terms of pure Joy. But it is it's own creature. There are aspects of the experience that are very similar to LSD, but I agree with those that state these substances taken on their own lack the spiritual depth you can experience with (good) LSD or Mushrooms. DMT is in such a league of its own that one simply can't compare it, and I haven't gone past 35mg of DMT yet in any case, so can't compare a breakthrough experience as I have yet to have one.
What I can say is that the 25i/25c tiered combo is the most tear-jerkingly beautiful thing I have ever experienced, and I've experience quite a few spiritual trips. It's like this combo and timing hits the right receptors in the perfect synergy, and the Heavens Open. That's all I can describe it as. It becomes incredibly lucid, with deep insight and compassion for the human condition, and my own personal condition. I have only done this combo twice now, and is the only way I'll ever dose with these substances again. And the nice thing about the nbomes is you can redose and go higher, so if you are nervous, start with 250ug, then after an hour, add another, etc. It lets you build up to going really, really deep, to about the 4 hour point when tolerance starts appearing.
Just be forewarned that there is a point with this substance that taking more is not a good idea. It doesn't have the margin of safety that LSD, Shrooms, and DMT does - if you take too much, you can have a seizure or even die - there are in fact documented deaths with kids not measuring properly and ingesting insane amounts. 9mg will probably put most people in the hospital. I personally would never take it past 3, and that I would build up to, not dose all at once.
What a previous poster said about being leery of blotter is spot on. A lot of nbome sellers don't know how to lay properly, and you end up with some blotters being 500ug that are sold as 1mg, and some on the same sheet containing 4mg. I actually had to abort one 25i trip when I was already flying quite nicely (and the only time I've ever aborted a trip), and redosed with what must have been a 4mg tab. Fortunately, I fly with a parachute, and the combination of benzos, beta blockers and dyphenhydramine killed it. I was having a fantastic time, but began experiencing serious tremor, and knew I had hit a mislaid tab. The head trip was amazing though, standing in the rivers of Time and Destiny.
The only one of the 3 I've tried (I've yet to try the D) that I experience any vasoconstriction with is the b - but everyone is different, and it's completely the opposite for other people. Taking normal to medium-high doses of i or c gives a nice body high, but I experience zero discomfort or vasoconstriction (except for the one instance where I hit a heavy tab on a redose, but it was gone as soon as the beta blocker kicked in).
But in all seriousness, the two 25i-25c tiered combo trips rank among the top 3 trips of my life, the first being the first time I had LSD. It's not like seeing beauty, it's like seeing Beauty Itself. Two sessions with that combo has literally changed my life. But I don't use these substances often, simply because it's an RC, and the fact does remain that we have no real evidence regarding the safety of long-term use. We are guinea pigs, so I guess we'll know in a few years lol. I'm personally brain-fogged the next day, whether I dose low or high, not refreshed as I am with shrooms or Changa (the only way I can handle DMT at this stage). That leads me to wonder if there is some serotonin-depletion as people experience with MDMA, and gives me what is probably a healthy attitude of caution.
Thanks RealAwareness.
Sister has been experimenting with 25c lately, and while she enjoys it alone in the 800ug range (great for the dance floor) she has found that it also makes a great launch pad for other psychedelics.
one trip with 800ug 25c NBOMe + 15 mgs of 2c-c insufflated during the peak (which totally blew the lid off) was an very extreme disorienting experience
another trip with 800ug 25c NBOMe + joint of DET infused pot smoked during the peak resulted in one of the most beautiful psychedelic experiences ever. Sister could see the music on the dancefloor and eventually merged with it ....
Looking forward to trying your magic combination of 25 c and 25i. Sister ordered both at the same time but hasn't gotten into the 25 i just yet, maybe at the next psytrance party.
FYI - Sister makes her own blotters by adding 20mgs of NBOMe to 4mls of EtOH which works out to 100ug/drop using the eyedropper Sister has.
Sister has been experimenting with 25c lately, and while she enjoys it alone in the 800ug range (great for the dance floor) she has found that it also makes a great launch pad for other psychedelics.
one trip with 800ug 25c NBOMe + 15 mgs of 2c-c insufflated during the peak (which totally blew the lid off) was an very extreme disorienting experience
another trip with 800ug 25c NBOMe + joint of DET infused pot smoked during the peak resulted in one of the most beautiful psychedelic experiences ever. Sister could see the music on the dancefloor and eventually merged with it ....
Looking forward to trying your magic combination of 25 c and 25i. Sister ordered both at the same time but hasn't gotten into the 25 i just yet, maybe at the next psytrance party.
FYI - Sister makes her own blotters by adding 20mgs of NBOMe to 4mls of EtOH which works out to 100ug/drop using the eyedropper Sister has.
edge2054
Rising Star
25i + 25c as you described was more interesting than either alone. It gave more of the headspace that 25i seems to be lacking as well as more movement to the visuals and gave 25c the warmth and color it always seems to lack for me.
That said, and I hate to be fear mongering, I think I'm done with NBOMes. A recent study at MAPS used 25i as a control while testing brain cell growth and the ability to learn new behaviors using psilocybin. The results for 25i looked pretty bad (actually inhibiting cell growth).
Here's the video.
So I think I'll hold off before experimenting any more with these chemicals.
That said, and I hate to be fear mongering, I think I'm done with NBOMes. A recent study at MAPS used 25i as a control while testing brain cell growth and the ability to learn new behaviors using psilocybin. The results for 25i looked pretty bad (actually inhibiting cell growth).
Here's the video.
So I think I'll hold off before experimenting any more with these chemicals.
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