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Ash said:
I heard a story about my step dad's friend who picked and ate Fly Agaric in the 80's, which left him as a vegetable in a mental institution for the last 25 years. I thought the mushroom was not supposed to be eaten in any circumstances, until I found out that people do actually use it as a psychedelic.

Was the man who ate these possibly unstable to start with? Because at first I thought this might happen to everyone who eats it.
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Even Dads' are known to perpetuate urban myths about psychedelics....I know mine did.lol

Amanita does not even really have psychedelic effects unless it is prepared a certain way or used in conjuntion with actual psychedelics....


Maybe there is more to the story maybe the guy ate an amanita along with 200 hits of acid?
 
Maybe he ate a more toxic strain?

The caution that needs to be applied when working with wild fungus can not be exaggerated.

In terms of set, I've been using psychedelics for 10 years and often with higher doses than normal. Just recently life's been very stressful and something as gentle as a low dose of 2cb can give me a kind of freakout that manifests as physical pain, vascular traffic issues in my left arm, lumps around my neck and a sensation like my lips are about to pop. A month before that, 2cb did what it should. My friends all dosed from the same batch and didn't have adverse reactions. I read lots online about negative reactions to 2cb and can't find anything like what I've experienced.

Everything effects everyone differently and can even effect the same person in multiple ways throughout their lifetime.

On top of that there are many urban myths about that seem to vary slightly from town to town.

It's complicated I guess.
 
That sounds really strange.... probably just some propaganda;-) fly agaric is amazing, can not understand how someone could get a mental illness from it, think thats impossible...or I guess if you eat several kilos or something every day for a while, something would happen.. but normal dosages, it would be the same as saying someone got a mental illness from smoking weed one time..which is just silly....
 
Is the connection (amanita - illness) a fact?
He ate also potatoes, and still got ill, so potatoes are dangerous?
It is complicated indeed.
 
Guys take some advice DON'T EAT AMANITA'S.
For those unaware this family of mushrooms is home to THE MOST toxic mushrooms on earth with names like "death Caps, Destroying Angel." While A. Muscaria are relatively safe it contains NO psilocybin or psilocin so really why do you want to eat them. You could drink enough mouthwash To get a buzz but is it healthy NO. All it would take is to accidentally mis-identify an A. Muscaria with an A. phalloides and your DEAD. Do want to take that chance. Best to stick with real magic mushrooms and leave these alone.

And FYI it's called fly agaric because they used them to make the poison on fly paper...and your eating them... *sigh* to each his own I guess.
 
When Amanitas came, he could not abstain,
And he took a juicy bite.
He found that he could see the forest beyond the trees,
And she squeezed his head real tight.
He knew he'd changed his luck, paid a buck for corn and cluck!
But somethin' just wasn't right. Somethin' didn't feel quite right!

When Amanitas came, it left his brain,
Feelin' a tad bit sour.
When the pompous ones arrived, he was barely alive.
She'd sucked him dry of all his power.
Now if you're feelin' bold, don't say that you've not been told,
She'll knock the ivory off your tower. And then she'll glower!

Boom boom boom I can feel your poison...


- Les Claypool
 
Crazyhorse said:
When Amanitas came, he could not abstain,
And he took a juicy bite.
He found that he could see the forest beyond the trees,
And she squeezed his head real tight.
He knew he'd changed his luck, paid a buck for corn and cluck!
But somethin' just wasn't right. Somethin' didn't feel quite right!

When Amanitas came, it left his brain,
Feelin' a tad bit sour.
When the pompous ones arrived, he was barely alive.
She'd sucked him dry of all his power.
Now if you're feelin' bold, don't say that you've not been told,
She'll knock the ivory off your tower. And then she'll glower!

Boom boom boom I can feel your poison...


- Les Claypool
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Enough said...Nice poem Crazyhorse.
 
Sykosis said:
Guys take some advice DON'T EAT AMANITA'S.
For those unaware this family of mushrooms is home to THE MOST toxic mushrooms on earth with names like "death Caps, Destroying Angel." While A. Muscaria are relatively safe it contains NO psilocybin or psilocin so really why do you want to eat them. You could drink enough mouthwash To get a buzz but is it healthy NO. All it would take is to accidentally mis-identify an A. Muscaria with an A. phalloides and your DEAD. Do want to take that chance. Best to stick with real magic mushrooms and leave these alone.

And FYI it's called fly agaric because they used them to make the poison on fly paper...and your eating them... *sigh* to each his own I guess.
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People have been using fly agarics for thousands of years. Is the only reason your saying not to eat them because of mis-identification?? If so you could apply that to all mushrooms! theres lots of good reports out there for fly agarics, ive had them once only 5 dried grams and it was a great experience, combined with smoked salvia leaf actually, my mind chatter has never been so silent!! id like to work my way up with them one day. My real friend took 12g and said it was one of the most healing experiences he had ever had, the day after he said he had never felt so at peace and content. An internet friend told me he took the 25-30gram mark and said the first 4 hours he felt as if he was going to die and fought off the urge to go the hospital, but then after that it was like nothing he had ever seen, full blown visions and a great experience was had, but then this guys a hard head I wouldnt go messing with those doses, point being people can use it responsibly!

I think you should encourage responsible use not fear monger and say leave it alone you can die, in the same statement saying its relatively safe??? People are going to want to try these things, I still want to try them again at some point I had a great experience as did my friend as have many others. I for one would say do try them as I enjoyed my experience and I dont beleive the OP at all, heard loads of storys like that, usual anti-drug fare!
 
Sykosis said:
Guys take some advice DON'T EAT AMANITA'S.
For those unaware this family of mushrooms is home to THE MOST toxic mushrooms on earth with names like "death Caps, Destroying Angel." While A. Muscaria are relatively safe it contains NO psilocybin or psilocin so really why do you want to eat them. You could drink enough mouthwash To get a buzz but is it healthy NO.
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Fear-mongering has no place at the Nexus. Imo, your comparison of Amanitas to mouthwash is ludicrous.

Why do people want to eat them? Because they contain ibotenic acid, which can be converted to muscimol and creates a unique psychoactive experience. Ayahuasca contains no psilocybin/psilocin...neither does cactus...nor do a whole host of other entheogens, yet people eat them because they want to experience any range of effects or experiences…not just psilocin/psilocybin.

If you believe "A. Muscaria are relatively safe" why go on a fear-mongering rant? This seems illogical to me. "Death caps" or "destroying angels" are relatively easy to identify. I do not recommend that any amateur mycologist pick and ingest wild Amanitas without getting their ID confirmed by a professional...but with appropriate precaution and expertise this can be done in a safe manner.
 
Any amanita combos that people should stay away from?

I have about 17dried caps in a jar and im looking for some nice combos to try them out with...

Im mostly into trying some smaller doses of amanitas combined with psilocobin mushrooms, harmalas and dmt, maybe cacti if its safe :)
 
SHroomtroll said:
Any amanita combos that people should stay away from?

I have about 17dried caps in a jar and im looking for some nice combos to try them out with...

Im mostly into trying some smaller doses of amanitas combined with psilocobin mushrooms, harmalas and dmt, maybe cacti if its safe :)
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Heard good things about low dose psilocibin mushrooms combined, we had a great night smoking plain salvia leaf after the sleepy part of the trip.
 
My original post was in the interest of harm reduction and still is.
A. muscaria themselves can be quite toxic in case you where unaware I'll explain.
The active compounds in A. muscaria are Muscimol and Ibotenic acid which can be lethal at moderate doses. The main concern is that all Amanita contain at least trace amounts of alpha-amantinin which is extremely toxic. Coupled with the fact you have know idea how "potent" each mushroom is it's a very dangerous mushroom. I'd say over 75% of the mushroom poising cases you hear of are from individuals eating too many or too potent A. muscaria or just simply mis-identifying them. Add on the fact it can easily be mis-identified with it nasty cousin A. phalloides.

It also humours me that people associate things "that have have been done for years" or "other people do it" with being SAFE humans have and still do plenty of stupid and unsafe things and we have done for thousands of years Tobacco is one that instantly comes to mind.
However their are ways to properly prepare A. muscaria to get out the water soluble toxins like soak them in warm water for 10-15 minutes.
I did not mean to spread free and panic however their not as SAFE as you believe them to be.

Respectfully,
Sykosis.
 
Just to point it out, it was you who said:

...A. Muscaria are relatively safe...
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I'm not disagreeing with you that there are risks...I merely pointed out that your initial post took (what seemed to me to be) a bizarre stance with regards to the issue of ingesting these mushrooms (i.e. don't do it because they don't have psilocin, they are safe and they aren't safe, the mouthwash comparison, etc.).

Proper safety precautions are a necessity when harvesting/ingesting most (wild) entheogens. That said, when discussing health and safety, I think it's important to have pragmatic and informative discussions (as presented in your last post), rather than alarmist or unclear statements that people should blanketly avoid a given entheogen.
 
Observant said:
all Amanita contain at least trace amounts of alpha-amantinin
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Does anyone have scientific Sources for this claim ? :surprised
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Mushroom poisonings and other Group V mushroom toxin poisonings
Oral poisonings due to Amanita are appear to be related to the amatoxins rather than the phallotoxins which appear to be degraded in
the gastrointestinal tract. Phallotoxin injury is probably related to contamination by amatoxins (alpha-amantinin for example is lethal in rats at
0.1.mg/kg - man is said to be more susceptible meaning that only 10 mg will kill a 100 kg man.
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If you read the link I provided you would see that Muscimol itself can be quite dangerous.

Oral(rat) LD50: 45 mg/kg Nil Reported
Intravenous (None) None: rat LD540 4.5 mg/kg
Intraperitoneal (mouse) LD50: 2.5 mg/kg
Subcutaneous (mouse) LD50: 3.8 mg/kg
Intravenous (mouse) LD50: 5.62 mg/kg
Sleep, hallucinations, changes in motor activity, ataxia, dyspnea, nausea
and vomiting recorded.
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Back on the shroomery board we regarded people who ate A. muscaria in the same regard it would appear that people who use plastic milk jugs for their extraction on here...you can do it but it is frowned upon...Really I'm done with this subject now, I provided the Information do with it what you will.
 
It's been my experience that Amanita muscaria when used correctly has some amazing properties some of which are highly medicinal in my mind...

Also they are quite difficult to mis-identify IMO
 

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I've never tried it, but pictures like that make it look tasty. Like some kind of mushroom cake straight from Wonkaland. :want:

I can see why the first one to eat it was tempted. And I bet he was really surprised! :p
 
Amanita's are incredible. Highly variable though, and fairly selective about who it bestows its graces upon.
But IMO, the hits are worth the misses.

Yes there are inherent risks.
But I'm not afraid of poisons. I turn poison into medicine.
Isn't that what this is all about ???

At lower doses it provides energy, clarity, humor, & motivation.
It is a fabulous fearkiller.

At higher doses, it can be like some kind of crazy warp-speed Fungus/LSD/DXM/5-MeO-DMT combo.
Just absolutely balls to the wall.
Among the greatest of all teacher-plants.
The McKennas were wrong. (and i love the McKennas)
Some people just don't want to hear it though...


But I'm not interested in writing a huge post justifying them...
some dig 'em, some don't. it's not my job to advertise.

But for one to say that they are totally inferior to Cubensis
(and I know Cubensis - it is a very close ally and friend)
and should never be bothered with is simply untrue.
Most people who make such claims have never tried them anyways.
 
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