Nope, and don't think that I will be trying it either. Especially not knowing what's in it, methods of manufacturing (quality control) or having any information on the dangers of it. Sounds irresponsible and I'm quite happy with my spice, not looking for the next latest greatest thing. Be safe and good luck with your new stuff. Peace!
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Man i'd avoid that stuff like the plague.
At least send a sample in for lab analysis so you knoe what your taking.
Back when synthetic cannibinoids weren't controlled in my area i tried a few blends.
One nearly killed me. I had it sent into a lab to be analyzed.
Turned out it was a mix of jwh-018 & 2OH4MeF (an opiate analog).
There were even a few occasions where (& i had no clue until later) i got what tasted & smelled exactly like a dmt containing blend sold as synthetic marijuana. I didnt recognize the smell/taste until i tried dmt a couple times & realized i'd had this before.
At least send a sample in for lab analysis so you knoe what your taking.
Back when synthetic cannibinoids weren't controlled in my area i tried a few blends.
One nearly killed me. I had it sent into a lab to be analyzed.
Turned out it was a mix of jwh-018 & 2OH4MeF (an opiate analog).
There were even a few occasions where (& i had no clue until later) i got what tasted & smelled exactly like a dmt containing blend sold as synthetic marijuana. I didnt recognize the smell/taste until i tried dmt a couple times & realized i'd had this before.
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First off, be responsible. A plethora of synthetic cannabinoids / hallucinogens relating to cannabis and / or other substances exists.
Secondly, this synthetic hallucinogen you speak of is exactly that.. no information regarding what this is, dosage, toxicity, color of material etc.
What insights? Lack of information. Surrounding what? How much? Nothing sufficient found means it lacks all aspects of even considering ingestion or smoking.
:thumb_dow I'd suggest putting this to an end unless you are able to show and verify at least something worthy.
First off, be responsible. A plethora of synthetic cannabinoids / hallucinogens relating to cannabis and / or other substances exists.
Secondly, this synthetic hallucinogen you speak of is exactly that.. no information regarding what this is, dosage, toxicity, color of material etc.
What insights? Lack of information. Surrounding what? How much? Nothing sufficient found means it lacks all aspects of even considering ingestion or smoking.
:thumb_dow I'd suggest putting this to an end unless you are able to show and verify at least something worthy.
I agree with all these guys, stay well clear of that stuff it's dangerous. Before synthetic cannibinoids were made illegal where I am, there was a lot of them going around and I remember reading a couple of articles about otherwise healthy people dying from taking them. It didn't happen often but happened nonetheless. I tried a couple different ones over the years and was never impressed. One time however my friend packed a cone of one of these in a bucket bong, if any of you have done buckies you will know they can mess you up. But anyway so I did the buckie thinkin it was regular weed and I had the worst experience of my life, I got stuck in this horrible mind loop thinkin I was going to die. My chest actually hurt from my heart beating so hard. I remember reading that the synthetic chemicals they use can be up to 400 times stronger than THC, I wouldn't have believed it until that day!
Be careful with that crap!
Peace
Be careful with that crap!
Peace
Nathanial.Dread
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Unless you send it to a lab to get analyzed, there is practically nothing we on The Nexus can help you with. There are so many chemicals that are so new that there's no way on Earth we could help narrow down the list.
Personally, again, I'd stay away from it. If you want a psychedelic experience, there are plenty of options you can try that we know will get the job done.
(That said, if you can get it to an analytical chemist, I'd love to know what it is)
Blessings
~ND
Personally, again, I'd stay away from it. If you want a psychedelic experience, there are plenty of options you can try that we know will get the job done.
(That said, if you can get it to an analytical chemist, I'd love to know what it is)
Blessings
~ND
Well yeah the bucket bong was definitely a bad idea but like I said I was under the impression it was weed. My friend was obsessed with the stuff and guess he thought it would be "funny". Anyway, I'm actually pretty sure I remember one called northern lights, Here is an article that lists northern lights along with a lot of other synthetics with a bit of info. I think the one I did was called "purple haze". But it's all similar stuff at the end of the day, a herb base coated with synthetic chemical analogs, usually similar to thc but much more potent in some cases.
But hey this just my opinion, by no means am I telling you to never ever touch them, that's your choice. I was never a fan of them. Just be safe and as you say keep it in moderation
Peace
But hey this just my opinion, by no means am I telling you to never ever touch them, that's your choice. I was never a fan of them. Just be safe and as you say keep it in moderation
Peace
Jswarps said:
The dosage I could not find above. Taking 3-5 small puffs is not a dosage if that is what you are referring to.. this judgement I am using is from the perspective of taking something you refer to as synthetic hallucinogen without knowing anything else about it. Where is the judgement in that? Big difference and outcome between good judgement and no judgement at all.. especially when it comes to using unknown psychoactive substances. It is a safety protocol, that's all.
This experience you cannot explain I certainly can relate with.. as I've had many psychedelic / entheogenic experiences that have left me in that state of awe and unity within consciousness. However, I cannot relate to whatever it is you are speaking of in terms of substance. Trying to locate any synthetic substance for reference and continued research is quite difficult unless you can get some analysis done, or perhaps even a reagent test. As already mentioned, the list of synthetics out there is huge and varies from everywhere.
So I ask, who is to know what this substance is with the only indication that it is supposedly hallucinogenic? Okay, so it contains a small % of cannabis extract with no THC? :?
All I can really say (depending on your locality) is that it may also be potent concentrated salvia mixed with some other mild herbs such as blue lotus.
Jswarps ...... High ...... i agree with the guys about being carefull with what we take bit ....... we should at least know what it is ...... BUT ...... i dont think the answer is a guilt complex , flagellation and ritual suicide . Just a tad more care . Allthough kids with flippers would look cute and it could help them deal better with the climate change .
Greetz . Have fun .
Greetz . Have fun .
seasonsintheabyss
Rising Star
Of course I can't find it now, but I recently saw a video on YouTube of a lab testing one of those newer packets that are still legal. It had a synthetic hallucinogen come up first that was not a cannabinoid at all in addition to XLR-11 (banned cannabinoid) and Methiopropamine (stimulant like meth). One of those DIPT/DALT family drugs..was the hallucinogen they found.
People are just breaking down a number of research chemicals in acetone solution and spraying them onto whatever cheap herbs they can find. Those packets are actually sold empty in bulk online with fake company names on the back. None of them are a "brand" of any sort. I found this out by trying to google one I was given for free. You could be taking in 3 or 4 chemicals at once and have no way to know what area of the bag is most concentrated and OD. Scary stuff, no quality control, most of those chemicals are made in China with no concern for who smokes it. The research chems can be contaminated before they are even sprayed and I've heard of people intentionally spraying insect poison on the blends to further increase potency but I can't say for sure if that is true. Just some stuff to think about, I know now I can't try it even though it was handed to me.
People are just breaking down a number of research chemicals in acetone solution and spraying them onto whatever cheap herbs they can find. Those packets are actually sold empty in bulk online with fake company names on the back. None of them are a "brand" of any sort. I found this out by trying to google one I was given for free. You could be taking in 3 or 4 chemicals at once and have no way to know what area of the bag is most concentrated and OD. Scary stuff, no quality control, most of those chemicals are made in China with no concern for who smokes it. The research chems can be contaminated before they are even sprayed and I've heard of people intentionally spraying insect poison on the blends to further increase potency but I can't say for sure if that is true. Just some stuff to think about, I know now I can't try it even though it was handed to me.
OP
You didn't say what your smoking, of course it exists if your smoking it.
I used to get pure JWH-018 ang Jwh-073 (relatively, 99.4% came with a lab test) and when I smoked to much of that I would trip out and not in a good way ussually. One time I accidentally vaped like 15-20mg and was all messed up for hours then slept and came down after 24 hours. You only need less than a mg with that stuff. This is why those fake week "spice" blends are so dangerous; there can be a hotspot and you don't know what's in em. Some unscrupulous person trying to make a quick buck is making it and surely doesn't care much about ehh, quality control.
You have no idea what your smoking?
I don't know what the story was with the guy smoking something else that he thought was bud but please don't misrepresent substances to people. It can be dangerous and it's not right.
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You didn't say what your smoking, of course it exists if your smoking it.
I used to get pure JWH-018 ang Jwh-073 (relatively, 99.4% came with a lab test) and when I smoked to much of that I would trip out and not in a good way ussually. One time I accidentally vaped like 15-20mg and was all messed up for hours then slept and came down after 24 hours. You only need less than a mg with that stuff. This is why those fake week "spice" blends are so dangerous; there can be a hotspot and you don't know what's in em. Some unscrupulous person trying to make a quick buck is making it and surely doesn't care much about ehh, quality control.
You have no idea what your smoking?
I don't know what the story was with the guy smoking something else that he thought was bud but please don't misrepresent substances to people. It can be dangerous and it's not right.
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Pup Tentacle
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In the same vein as everyone else... why put an unknown compound into your body? Find out what it is... and then decide whether you want to ingest it.
Its also a shame you didn't bother to read the attitude page - which I believe has a link plastered everywhere here. But here it is again...
wiki.dmt-nexus.me
Its also a shame you didn't bother to read the attitude page - which I believe has a link plastered everywhere here. But here it is again...
Attitude Page - DMT-Nexus Wiki
what your talking about isn't actually legal for the use you describe, it is stated on the packaging "not safe for human consumption". it is sold as an insense, although who would burn this as an enssence i do not now, this stuff does not smell nice,
I have had some experience with a product from the same people at a stronger strain of a synthetic cannabinoids names "annilation".
I would strongly recommend you do NOT take this.
it is not an enjoyable experience. its like be block up on cannabis 1,000x you experience an elevated heart rate and generally feel really uncomfortable and very warm and not comfortable.
I tried it once with a friend and we threw the rest away any thinking this is a good idea should clear away from this. The product is on a short list to be made illegal soon anyway.
stay safe
and peace
I have had some experience with a product from the same people at a stronger strain of a synthetic cannabinoids names "annilation".
I would strongly recommend you do NOT take this.
it is not an enjoyable experience. its like be block up on cannabis 1,000x you experience an elevated heart rate and generally feel really uncomfortable and very warm and not comfortable.
I tried it once with a friend and we threw the rest away any thinking this is a good idea should clear away from this. The product is on a short list to be made illegal soon anyway.
stay safe
and peace
These substances can be deadly since they are full agononists on your cannabinoid receptors. Thc is only a partial agonist which is why it's relatively impossible to overdose and die. With this being a full agonist the effects on blood pressure etc. have no limit, it and can keep going higher to the point of danger or death. With thc you reach a certain point of receptor saturation and after that it won't go on any farther.
Stick with Thc 8)
Stick with Thc 8)
@ Jswarps
I have such a TERIBLE guilty conscience . I have sinned . From all the substances that i have taken this week i have tested NON of them ......... Hmmmmmmm ......... when i think about it i have NEVER tested anything . Maybe the plants had been sprayed with nasty chemicals and my kids will have flippers !!!!!! What a terrible responsibility . Maybe all the people i smoked with are now IMPOTENT !!!!!!! Maybe their kids have shrinked sex organs !!!!!!!
I didnt ever send anything to be tested in a lab as i cant afford the 200 ? $ that each test costs ......... and i couldnt wait the how many weeks ? untill the result came each time .
Of cource i wasnt stupid enough to use the idiotic albi colour tests because they are useless as they only show a chemical or a group of chemicals ........ and look at the difference in strength of different chemicals in some groups ...... they dont aways show the active chemical and they dont show cuts .
I apologise to you .
Question at all others here ........ How many times have you had the substances that you have taken tested ? Properly ? In a profi lab ?
I have such a TERIBLE guilty conscience . I have sinned . From all the substances that i have taken this week i have tested NON of them ......... Hmmmmmmm ......... when i think about it i have NEVER tested anything . Maybe the plants had been sprayed with nasty chemicals and my kids will have flippers !!!!!! What a terrible responsibility . Maybe all the people i smoked with are now IMPOTENT !!!!!!! Maybe their kids have shrinked sex organs !!!!!!!
I didnt ever send anything to be tested in a lab as i cant afford the 200 ? $ that each test costs ......... and i couldnt wait the how many weeks ? untill the result came each time .
Of cource i wasnt stupid enough to use the idiotic albi colour tests because they are useless as they only show a chemical or a group of chemicals ........ and look at the difference in strength of different chemicals in some groups ...... they dont aways show the active chemical and they dont show cuts .
I apologise to you .
Question at all others here ........ How many times have you had the substances that you have taken tested ? Properly ? In a profi lab ?
The issue with synthetic cannabinoids is similar to other RCs in the sense that we have very little pharmacological information. We know next to nothing about long term toxicity, so whether one is experienced with psychoactive substances and 'feels ok' is not necessarily an indication of safety. That being said, it's up to each one to decide what they want to put in their own bodies, if they are aware what they are doing.
But at the very least what one first needs to do is know the exact compound one is taking, otherwise it's an even tricker russian roullete game taking such 'herbal blends' and 'legal highs'. For that, you need to either send to a propper lab and pay 50 bucks, or at least reagent test with different reagents, or look into TLC. Unlike what they are advertised as, often these blends contain toxic or illegal substances too.
You can test for 50e (around 60 dollars) with this international testing service, so its 1/4 of the price you mentioned, GOD. It can take a couple of weeks, but what are two weeks if it's your health/life at stake?
You can at least do some preliminary reagent testing in the meanwhile which is immediate.. It definitely has limitations but if you use several different reagents it narrows down the error (for example marquis, mecke, ehrlich, simons, mandelin). Very soon TLC kits should be available so this will greatly increase the possibilities people at home can test. For those that don't want to wait, PM me and I'll help you set up a TLC system at home easily.
As for your question, GOD, basically every substance I took in the last 8 years has been properly tested. I try to help so that as many people are in a similar situation.
But at the very least what one first needs to do is know the exact compound one is taking, otherwise it's an even tricker russian roullete game taking such 'herbal blends' and 'legal highs'. For that, you need to either send to a propper lab and pay 50 bucks, or at least reagent test with different reagents, or look into TLC. Unlike what they are advertised as, often these blends contain toxic or illegal substances too.
You can test for 50e (around 60 dollars) with this international testing service, so its 1/4 of the price you mentioned, GOD. It can take a couple of weeks, but what are two weeks if it's your health/life at stake?
You can at least do some preliminary reagent testing in the meanwhile which is immediate.. It definitely has limitations but if you use several different reagents it narrows down the error (for example marquis, mecke, ehrlich, simons, mandelin). Very soon TLC kits should be available so this will greatly increase the possibilities people at home can test. For those that don't want to wait, PM me and I'll help you set up a TLC system at home easily.
As for your question, GOD, basically every substance I took in the last 8 years has been properly tested. I try to help so that as many people are in a similar situation.
The reasons that profi labs do those specific tests is because they work ....... unlike the reagent tests you mentioned . Proper / acurate thin laayer chromatography is out of the reach of most people ...... and dont the results neeed to be compared to the results of certified tests ? Isnt that also how they do it with Mass spectrometry ? Does it show all the chemicals in a sample ? Or is it useless because it doesnt show all the chemicals in the sample ?
What would be the point of doing tests that show a result that means nothing ? Because of the reasons i already mentioned .
The 200 $ comes from here where the prices quoted from chemists was 180 to 200 Es . Thank you spain for cheeper tests .
" basically every substance I took in the last 8 years has been properly tested "
Every time you smoked cannabis that you hadnt grown yourself it was sent to a lab for testing first ?
What would be the point of doing tests that show a result that means nothing ? Because of the reasons i already mentioned .
The 200 $ comes from here where the prices quoted from chemists was 180 to 200 Es . Thank you spain for cheeper tests .
" basically every substance I took in the last 8 years has been properly tested "
Every time you smoked cannabis that you hadnt grown yourself it was sent to a lab for testing first ?
In what way don't those reagents work? Can you cite specific examples of what reagent wont work for what substance? Different reagents have 'blindspots' , with similar results for different substances (false positives) or no reaction with important substances (false negatives for adulterants). But if you use several of them, you significantly reduce the blind spots.
Proper thin layer chromatography is more at reach than ever. You can use an internal standard that everybody has access to, to compare results versus a database, which is what I have been working on. It can separate the chemicals in a sample yes, so you'll see what mixtures are there.
What would you want the cannabis tested for when you send it to a lab? Are you afraid of RCs masked as cannabis (if it's related to this thread), or you want to know the amount of THC/CBD, or?
Proper thin layer chromatography is more at reach than ever. You can use an internal standard that everybody has access to, to compare results versus a database, which is what I have been working on. It can separate the chemicals in a sample yes, so you'll see what mixtures are there.
What would you want the cannabis tested for when you send it to a lab? Are you afraid of RCs masked as cannabis (if it's related to this thread), or you want to know the amount of THC/CBD, or?
The only reason to test something to find out whats in it is to find out whats in it . If the test doesnt show whats in it it doesnt show whats in it = Its a total waste of time and money ........ PLUS ...... its dangerous because it gives users a false sense of security .
The reagent tests as you say leave blind spots ...... even if one uses every single one on a sample wich would be expensive and take a lot of the sample substance = they dont show what is in a sample they only show if a sample contains a certain chemical or group of chemicals .
SO ........ for instance ........ a test might show a chemical comes from a certain group . BUT ...... theoreticly ........ some of the chemicals in that group might be active in miligram range and some in microgram range = a BIG difference and that difference could be deadly .
Then the test showed that result but didnt show that the active drug in the sample was another drug from a different group . It also didnt show the cyanide in the sample and it didnt show all the cuts .
= Those tests are between useless and downright dangerous .
" What would you want the cannabis tested for when you send it to a lab? "
For exactly the same reasons one would test other substances . If someone gives it to someone or sells it to someone they dont know what has been done with it before . Someone might have sprayed crap grass with a chemical or there could be a toxic cut or there could be weed killer on it .
The reagent tests as you say leave blind spots ...... even if one uses every single one on a sample wich would be expensive and take a lot of the sample substance = they dont show what is in a sample they only show if a sample contains a certain chemical or group of chemicals .
SO ........ for instance ........ a test might show a chemical comes from a certain group . BUT ...... theoreticly ........ some of the chemicals in that group might be active in miligram range and some in microgram range = a BIG difference and that difference could be deadly .
Then the test showed that result but didnt show that the active drug in the sample was another drug from a different group . It also didnt show the cyanide in the sample and it didnt show all the cuts .
= Those tests are between useless and downright dangerous .
" What would you want the cannabis tested for when you send it to a lab? "
For exactly the same reasons one would test other substances . If someone gives it to someone or sells it to someone they dont know what has been done with it before . Someone might have sprayed crap grass with a chemical or there could be a toxic cut or there could be weed killer on it .
Which sample was ever found with cyanide?
I think it's easier to talk specific examples instead of non-existent or unlikely hypothetical examples. No test in the world tests for everything
That's sort of like going to the hospital because you feel sick, and asking for them to blood test for every existing and extinct disease in the world. They won't do that, even the most professional hospital. They will first look at symptoms, at prevalence of different diseases , etc.
Sometimes a simple test may be enough for what you are looking for (like a pregnancy test), which will already reduce the probabilities... but of course maybe you think you are pregnant but you actually a weird new uncatalogued disease with very similar symptoms. And maybe the pregnancy test doesn't differentiate the disease. But that would be a rare case and wouldn't mean pregnancy tests are useless. They are useful for their particular application, for a large number of people, if you are aware of limitations..
It's the same with drugs. When harm reduction work is done, what you need to do is reduce the most dangerous possibilities which you know can happen. So you have to look at what substances are most commonly used as adulterants, and this can help you avoid some main dangers. You cannot test for everything simply because that's impossible. You could conceive of any number of synthetic substances that shows exactly the same as a wanted substance in even the most expensive tests, and yet are way more dangerous. But if you look at number of deaths and hospitalizations, you generally see a handful of substances which are causing the problems and that we can avoid by doing some simple cheap tests.
I have access to international testing statistics, and other people can watch out for harm reduction groups' twitter feeds and results from ecstasydata.org to see most common adulterants and be aware of trends in adulteration (for example there are some superman shaped pills going around which have high levels of PMMA, please be careful people! )
Say for example LSD. LSD is either LSD, or an NBOME related substance, or a DO(x) substance, or bromodragonfly (nearly inexistant these days). With simple ehrlich reagent, all of these can be eliminated. That is incredibly useful. Sure they don't test for a hypothetical unknown novel totally toxic ergot-based substance that reacts exactly the same, in that case you'd be screwed, but what are the odds, and what is the alternative you are offering (not taking at all, or taking it but not using any reagent) ?
With MDMA, things get a bit more complicated, since MDMA's reactions usually mask PMA/PMMA's reactions, and those are the more dangerous adulterants. So in that case yes it's important to recognize that limitation and not give people false sense of security of marquis turned black.
With synthetic cannabinoids, I'm not sure if by now we have indication on which ones are more or less dangerous. Some can be differentiated with different reagents, I can check out the list.
Again, TLC can def help.
As for cannabis, it depends a lot where you are from. There are specialized tests for fertilizers/pesticides/heavy metals, but generally what you will find is more regarding THC/CBD ratios. Or also terpenes, some people might be interested in the info but it's not very useful so you'd usually have to get some specialized testing for that. It's all possible though.
In the few places where cannabis may be sold laced with synthetic cannabinoids (if this ever happens), I think TLC or sending to the people I linked before would be the best bet.
I think it's easier to talk specific examples instead of non-existent or unlikely hypothetical examples. No test in the world tests for everything
That's sort of like going to the hospital because you feel sick, and asking for them to blood test for every existing and extinct disease in the world. They won't do that, even the most professional hospital. They will first look at symptoms, at prevalence of different diseases , etc.
Sometimes a simple test may be enough for what you are looking for (like a pregnancy test), which will already reduce the probabilities... but of course maybe you think you are pregnant but you actually a weird new uncatalogued disease with very similar symptoms. And maybe the pregnancy test doesn't differentiate the disease. But that would be a rare case and wouldn't mean pregnancy tests are useless. They are useful for their particular application, for a large number of people, if you are aware of limitations..
It's the same with drugs. When harm reduction work is done, what you need to do is reduce the most dangerous possibilities which you know can happen. So you have to look at what substances are most commonly used as adulterants, and this can help you avoid some main dangers. You cannot test for everything simply because that's impossible. You could conceive of any number of synthetic substances that shows exactly the same as a wanted substance in even the most expensive tests, and yet are way more dangerous. But if you look at number of deaths and hospitalizations, you generally see a handful of substances which are causing the problems and that we can avoid by doing some simple cheap tests.
I have access to international testing statistics, and other people can watch out for harm reduction groups' twitter feeds and results from ecstasydata.org to see most common adulterants and be aware of trends in adulteration (for example there are some superman shaped pills going around which have high levels of PMMA, please be careful people! )
Say for example LSD. LSD is either LSD, or an NBOME related substance, or a DO(x) substance, or bromodragonfly (nearly inexistant these days). With simple ehrlich reagent, all of these can be eliminated. That is incredibly useful. Sure they don't test for a hypothetical unknown novel totally toxic ergot-based substance that reacts exactly the same, in that case you'd be screwed, but what are the odds, and what is the alternative you are offering (not taking at all, or taking it but not using any reagent) ?
With MDMA, things get a bit more complicated, since MDMA's reactions usually mask PMA/PMMA's reactions, and those are the more dangerous adulterants. So in that case yes it's important to recognize that limitation and not give people false sense of security of marquis turned black.
With synthetic cannabinoids, I'm not sure if by now we have indication on which ones are more or less dangerous. Some can be differentiated with different reagents, I can check out the list.
Again, TLC can def help.
As for cannabis, it depends a lot where you are from. There are specialized tests for fertilizers/pesticides/heavy metals, but generally what you will find is more regarding THC/CBD ratios. Or also terpenes, some people might be interested in the info but it's not very useful so you'd usually have to get some specialized testing for that. It's all possible though.
In the few places where cannabis may be sold laced with synthetic cannabinoids (if this ever happens), I think TLC or sending to the people I linked before would be the best bet.
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