5 hours lasting smoked DMT experience

[amanita_muscaria]

Hey psychonauts!

I've been experimenting with DMT for a while now, however I was able to break through only for short periods of time and it was hard to comprehend what was happening and remember the experience.
I've tried mushrooms, LSD, HBWR before in big doses. However these experiences were rather mild. The only time when I got visuals was when I took 300 mics of LSD. But they were very mild. Basically just tracers. I tried to stare at one spot and don't blink for a long time and only then I was seeing some minor patterns and things that shouldn't be there. I was kinda desperate when I was reading people having beautiful trips from 100 mics and 300 mics didn't do anything good for me. I even thought that people are just creating these fake trip reports or that my brain is not creative enough to receive these amazing psychadelic experiences.

Well it was until I discovered DMT....

Well, at first I didn't smoke DMT correctly . I was using a metal pipe and poured pure DMT into it. All I got were breathing walls. I was even more desperate. Then I started gathering info, I found out about "the machine" and used some concepts from that device to invent my own method.

Now I use very effective method to smoke DMT. I put some steel scrubbing pads in the opening of of "eagle bill's shake and vape pipe" . And smoke it upside down with a torch ligher (flame shouldn't touch the steel hold it few centimeters apart). Basically idea is the same as "the machine", but I think it's more convenient and quicker if you don't want to mess with drills and stuff. This enables me to take a lot in one hit and I can't really take the second one, because I lose my coordination very quickly.

20:00 (T -2:00)
I've wanted to prolong the smoked DMT experience, so I've eaten about 3 grams of syrian rue seeds, (I chewed them with my teeth). I thought 3 grams would be a mild dose, because my weight is 220 pounds. The taste isn't very pleasant and they are really tough to chew, but I managed to do that in a half of hour. Surprisingly I didn't have even a remote feeling of nausea, but could definitely feel the effects of the rue alone. It was kinda inner warm feeling, but not too much.

22:15 (T +0:00)
I've preloaded the pipe with about 110 mg of high quality DMT, put some music on and a trippy painting of Alex Grey on the computer screen. I took one Huge hit, I believe it could have been in 60-80 mg range (I have big lungs). Well I definitely broke through. I'm not going to describe experience in detail, but I completely lost my ego, I wasn't human anymore. I also felt extremely strong alien presence. It's hard to describe, but it felt like I just realised a big secret, that this world and time it's just an illusion created by myself, and my consciousness belongs to something much bigger. I started to see sculls everywhere aliens were telling me something like death is the answer and I'm gonna to return there after death. I remember I kept repeating "what? what? what?" . I felt so silly that I didn't understand before that being a human in physical world doesn't make sense at all and aliens were laughing because of that. When I started to regain some ego, I went to take some water, but I closed my eyes and went right back, while standing. The visuals were so vivid, beautiful and clear. Never experienced something like that.

24:00 (T +1:45)
Finally regained my ego. I was still tripping a lot, but finally I started to understand who I am. I just looked at the clock it was 23:59 . WHAT???? I was tripping balls for almost two hours on smoked DMT. And without rue it'd be only 15 minutes. And it felt like it was 15 minutes. I couldn't understand what happened in that two hours.

01:00 (T +2:45)
I went to sleep. Well I couldn't really sleep. I was both shocked and still tripping. Vivaldi (which I listened during hyperspace) was playing extremely clear in my head. I could replay every note and every instrument with extreme precision. My imagination was unbelievable, I could Imagine everything I wanted, like flying a plane or riding a kayak in the river with unbelievable visual clarity. Normally I'm not really creative, even when I am sleeping my dreams aren't very colorful or I don't dream at all. I can't draw anything, when I draw it looks like piece of shit and my handwriting is more than terrible. So I was really amazed how creative I can be.

03:15 (T+ 5:00)
I woke up, I was still tripping a bit and having minor CEVs . Also I was still feeling a minor presence of aliens. Went to sleep again.

Now the concerns.

Obviously I like the fact that I can experience ayahuasca length trip (3-5 hours) with smoked DMT. What's good that it's even more potent than ayahuasca itself and without any nausea (at least for me).
On the over hand I'm kinda concerned about my body. Do you think something is wrong with my physical health? Why does it last so long? Cause normally MAOI increases length of experience only 2x, not 10x.
The last time I took LSD (300 mics) (without any MAOI whatsoever). It lasted full 24 hours (instead of normal 8-12) and I couldn't sleep at night. BTW it was really acid not DOB or some other BS. I was kinda concerned after that, but that DMT trip made me to raise that question once more.

So has anyone else expierenced such strong synergetic effects from syrian rue + DMT, Or I am alone in the universe ?

 

[VoidTraveler]

I must say, that's a very hefty dose of DMT you took and some of the members on the forums here might consider it irresponsibly high dosage. Please be careful with how high you dose.

Your body sounds like mine, certain drugs last much much longer for me compared to most of my friends. I've had rolls on xtc where my friends were already starting to sober up and I was still going pretty strong. It is quite possible that your body is slow with drug metabolism, especially when you inhibit the MAO-A enzymes. DMT is quite possibly also degraded through the CYP450 enzyme system, so even though MAO-A is inhibited, degradation occurs through various other enzymes. It is quite possible that your body has less of these enzymes compared to the general population. However, this is pure speculation.

As far as your trips on mushrooms and acid: Smoke cannabis. I can eat mushrooms or acid and feel weird, see breathing walls and have a good time, but once I smoke cannabis it really kicks in and starts to get fun. I tried tripping on shrooms or acid without cannabis, it just doesn't do much, it feels like the trip doesn't really start off. However, cannabis significantly potentiates the mushrooms or acid, so start out with a low dose(3g of shrooms / 150ug of LSD) and work your way up. You're best off smoking more cannabis in small increments(instead of in massive bowls) because it can kick in really hard after a few minutes. Smoke and give it 5 minutes to kick in.

 

[jamie]

"Why does it last so long?"

Becasue you ate 3g of rue and smoked 110mg's of DMT. Rue itself is a psychedelic. Most of what you describe past the innitial peak sounds like mainly harmala effects.

 

[Skeemer]

yeah, thats way too much. Especially when you combine it with rue. I've found i smoke less after drinking 3-4g of rue tea and still have a long lasting, deep experience. Very irresponsible and kind of a waste of quality goods IMHO

 

[amanita_muscaria]

Well I'd like to acknowledge that I didn't smoke 110 mg's of DMT. If you are were familiar with "The machine" method you'd know that you can preload it with 100-500 mg's . And it stays on the steel mesh until next time. Also I hardly believe that it is even possible to take 110mg in one hit, doesn't matter how effective your method is. So like I said dosage probably was in the 60-80 mg range, if not lower. Considering that I'm a big man, that doesn't seem too much. There still is plenty of DMT left on the steel mesh.

 

[VoidTraveler]

Well I'd like to acknowledge that I didn't smoke 110 mg's of DMT. If you are were familiar with "The machine" method you'd know that you can preload it with 100-500 mg's . And it stays on the steel mesh until next time. Also I hardly believe that it is even possible to take 110mg in one hit, doesn't matter how effective your method is. So like I said dosage probably was in the 60-80 mg range, if not lower. Considering that I'm a big man, that doesn't seem too much. There still is plenty of DMT left on the steel mesh.

My remark concerning the dose wasn't meant to be belittling, it was meant with all the right intentions, safeguard your safety. I'm aware that preloading your pipe doesn't say a lot about how much you smoke and doesn't say much about how much smoked DMT you need for a full trip.

 

[amanita_muscaria]

Hm it's actually interesting that cannabis helps you to get tripping. I think that might have connection with cannabis effects on digestive tract. It seems that it makes you digest food faster, that's why you get munchies. The thing is that I'm not a huge fan of cannabis, it kinda makes me dumb (like alcohol) and I like my brain to be in perfect condition while I'm tripping. Maybe there are some herbs/drugs which might have the same effect on digestive tract?

I must say, that's a very hefty dose of DMT you took and some of the members on the forums here might consider it irresponsibly high dosage. Please be careful with how high you dose.

Your body sounds like mine, certain drugs last much much longer for me compared to most of my friends. I've had rolls on xtc where my friends were already starting to sober up and I was still going pretty strong. It is quite possible that your body is slow with drug metabolism, especially when you inhibit the MAO-A enzymes. DMT is quite possibly also degraded through the CYP450 enzyme system, so even though MAO-A is inhibited, degradation occurs through various other enzymes. It is quite possible that your body has less of these enzymes compared to the general population. However, this is pure speculation.

As far as your trips on mushrooms and acid: Smoke cannabis. I can eat mushrooms or acid and feel weird, see breathing walls and have a good time, but once I smoke cannabis it really kicks in and starts to get fun. I tried tripping on shrooms or acid without cannabis, it just doesn't do much, it feels like the trip doesn't really start off. However, cannabis significantly potentiates the mushrooms or acid, so start out with a low dose(3g of shrooms / 150ug of LSD) and work your way up. You're best off smoking more cannabis in small increments(instead of in massive bowls) because it can kick in really hard after a few minutes. Smoke and give it 5 minutes to kick in.

 

[The Neural]

Hm it's actually interesting that cannabis helps you to get tripping. I think that might have connection with cannabis effects on digestive tract. It seems that it makes you digest food faster, that's why you get munchies. The thing is that I'm not a huge fan of cannabis, it kinda makes me dumb (like alcohol) and I like my brain to be in perfect condition while I'm tripping. Maybe there are some herbs/drugs which might have the same effect on digestive tract?

Are you asking if there are any other substances other than cannabis that can make a mild trip more elaborate or more fun? Fyi, cannabis increases the amount of leptin in our blood, which in turn signals the brain to start craving for food, it does not really digest food faster; it does wonders inducing a bowel movement though, along with nicotine

 

[Lichen]

Vivaldi - nice touch! Supremely beautiful music.

 

[Aftermath]

Somehow I doubt anyone has had a 5 hour trip with smoked DMT alone.

 

[jamie]

Hm it's actually interesting that cannabis helps you to get tripping. I think that might have connection with cannabis effects on digestive tract. It seems that it makes you digest food faster, that's why you get munchies. The thing is that I'm not a huge fan of cannabis, it kinda makes me dumb (like alcohol) and I like my brain to be in perfect condition while I'm tripping. Maybe there are some herbs/drugs which might have the same effect on digestive tract?

I must say, that's a very hefty dose of DMT you took and some of the members on the forums here might consider it irresponsibly high dosage. Please be careful with how high you dose.

Your body sounds like mine, certain drugs last much much longer for me compared to most of my friends. I've had rolls on xtc where my friends were already starting to sober up and I was still going pretty strong. It is quite possible that your body is slow with drug metabolism, especially when you inhibit the MAO-A enzymes. DMT is quite possibly also degraded through the CYP450 enzyme system, so even though MAO-A is inhibited, degradation occurs through various other enzymes. It is quite possible that your body has less of these enzymes compared to the general population. However, this is pure speculation.

As far as your trips on mushrooms and acid: Smoke cannabis. I can eat mushrooms or acid and feel weird, see breathing walls and have a good time, but once I smoke cannabis it really kicks in and starts to get fun. I tried tripping on shrooms or acid without cannabis, it just doesn't do much, it feels like the trip doesn't really start off. However, cannabis significantly potentiates the mushrooms or acid, so start out with a low dose(3g of shrooms / 150ug of LSD) and work your way up. You're best off smoking more cannabis in small increments(instead of in massive bowls) because it can kick in really hard after a few minutes. Smoke and give it 5 minutes to kick in.

Cannabis is a psychedelic plant, therefore it will naturally synergize with other psychedelics. I doubt it has anything to do with digestion..that is not why cannabis gives people the munchies.

 

[universecannon]

"Why does it last so long?"

Becasue you ate 3g of rue and smoked 110mg's of DMT. Rue itself is a psychedelic. Most of what you describe past the innitial peak sounds like mainly harmala effects.

yup

3g of rue by itself is actually very psychedelic for me..OBE, full on visions, etc.