69Ron's D-Limonene Tek Help

[Buttsack]

I'm going to follow 69Ron's D-Limonene tek but I've got a couple of questions before I start.

The dried cactus still has the skin and the core all intact. Will it still work with the skin and core or will it add too many fats?

Is there much difference between dried cactus and fresh?

Instead of hydrated lime could I use 4x as much calcium carbonate?

 

[ouro]

core is definitely fine and skin is probably ok as long as its powderized.

dried cactus has less water in it.

Calcium carbonate is a weaker base then lime so the ph will never get as high no matter how much you add. You would probably get very low yields using just carbonate, but I never tried that.

 

[Buttsack]

Cheers ouro for the help. I'll just use the hydrated lime instead of the calcium carbonate.

Wouldn't the dried cactus be less potent if it's dried? Or is there not enough difference to worry about it? It's just that fresh cactus isn't that hard to get and if it's more potent then why not use that.

What's the best way to remove the skin and core from the fresh cactus?

 

[GobblinTorch]

I'd use this tek: heavenlypursuit's relatively quick and easy mescalito pictorial, plus re-x directions - Preparation - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus if you plan on using fresh cactus. My understanding of 69ron's tek is that it's a dry tek and requires you keep a pretty tight lease on how much water is in the mixture—hard thing to do with fresh cactus.

Cheers!

 

[Buttsack]

Cheers mate I'll give that one a go.

I'm having troubles at the moment separating the d-limo fromt the slightly water cactus. I've tried the coffee plunger and the cactus mix was too think to push through and separate the water/d-limo and just pushed around the sides of the plunger when I pressed down harder. I tried filering it through an old shirt, which got really messy. I poured half into the shirt and let sit for an hour and probs 5ml or liquid was in the container. I even tried to squeeze it out of the shirt which I got maybe 50ml out after 10 minutes or hard pressing.

Is there another way to separte the d/limo and cactus? Cheers

 

[GobblinTorch]

I had this problem the first time I tried it too. I broke a coffee press or two.

I'm guessing that you're probably being too picky about getting ALL of the d-limo (just like I was)

You only need to get most of it .. I usually just hold the cactus back with a coffee plunger.. pour the bulk of the liquid off and then squeeze it a few times to get a few extra drops, but you wont get "ALL" of it

Are you saying you put 300ml in and only got 50ml? cause what usually happens for me is you put in 300 and get like 200-something back

 

[Buttsack]

It's more like the liquid is way too thick to let anything through. The D-limo was mixed in pretty good and wouldn't separate. I've since added more water which was probably a mixtake, since the water has come through with the d-limo. Now the d-limo doesn't seem to be separating from the water. I guess that's why you want the cactus and water mix to be like a paste.

I've reduced the mix back to a paste so it's not as watery now. I've added d-limo but it's not really separating easy. Should I add some more hydrated lime to basify it more so that the d-limo separates?

 

[Buttsack]

I've added another 100g of hydrated lime but the D-limo won't separate. Is there anything I can do to help it separate? When I push the coffee plunger down it doesn't squash any of the gunk. Should I add some lye?

 

[ouro]

Mr Sack, at that point adding sodium carbonate is very effective for freeing the limo. It interacts with the lime to form lye and limestone, increasing PH and acting as a dessicant. I'm not certain why, but it frees limo. Just add it little by little while mixing.

 

[Buttsack]

Mr Sack, at that point adding sodium carbonate is very effective for freeing the limo. It interacts with the lime to form lye and limestone, increasing PH and acting as a dessicant. I'm not certain why, but it frees limo. Just add it little by little while mixing.

Thanks very much for the info mate. I'll give it a go and let you know how I go. Cheers

 

[Buttsack]

I've added 150grams of sodium carbonate but still no luck. I'm pretty much stuck with a mix of d-limo, dried cactus, water, hydrated lime, lye and sodium carbonate. Should I keep basifying until the d-limo separates?

 

[Buttsack]

I ended up just adding more hyrdated lime until it went thicker and the d-limo visibly separated then. Not all of the d-limo separated though, only retrieved 150ml from the 500ml I put in. I tried the french press and broke it so all the d-limo I got out is from just mixing it in a bowl for 30 minutes.

I got over this so I decided to really basify the mix and add more water. The d-limo won't separate from the mix though. So once again I'm back to square one.

 

[deedle-doo]

Maybe you should let it dry. I heard this tek works best with quite dry material. When I did this my CaOH/cactus misx was kinda dry and chunky. Not totally dry but pretty dry, like the beach an hour after a rain. The limonene didn't really 'mix' at all. I was able to just tip the jar and get ~90% of the limonene back.

Try adding some baked epsom salt to soak up the water. Then just kinda mash the resulting chunks around in limonene.

 

[The Day Tripper]

Maybe you should let it dry. I heard this tek works best with quite dry material. When I did this my CaOH/cactus misx was kinda dry and chunky. Not totally dry but pretty dry, like the beach an hour after a rain. The limonene didn't really 'mix' at all. I was able to just tip the jar and get ~90% of the limonene back.

Try adding some baked epsom salt to soak up the water. Then just kinda mash the resulting chunks around in limonene.

Agreed. This is kinda like what i did but the opposite. I started with an bone dry fb'd lime tek dryed out with mgs04. I could just tip teh jar to pour off almost all of my d-limo. However, i added a small amount of water for the later pulls and it seemed to pull more. Bear in mind that i had chunks of dryed paste and not a powder. This could contribute to the imperfect pulling conditions. Dry fb'd powder is the way to go as far as limeteks imho. Much less pulling.

If you do try the epsom salt route, the best way is to get it bone dry and a powder, this gives you max surface area. You may have to decant particulates from your l-limo before salting, but it should only req. one or two salting/pullings anyway so it makes up for the extra effort.

 

[Buttsack]

I got a bit of limo out when it was really dry. I just kept adding hydrated lime till it dried up. I got sick of trying it dry so I thought if I add more water again I could basify the mix more and get the d-limo out. Is there any reason why the d-limo won't separate from the tea I now have?