• Members of the previous forum can retrieve their temporary password here, (login and check your PM).

Exp. Report A (gentle) Psilohuasca initiation

Experience report

taita

Established member
Joined
Mar 3, 2026
Messages
51
Merits
614
1 gram OJ Tek [Ps. Tampanensis + Ps. Subtropicalis + Ps. Cubensis var Enigma] primed with 3 droppers of Elaeagnus Umbellata (Autumn Olive/Akigumi) bark tincture

Okay, so right out the gate, I have some confounding variables to address, in that this is my first OJ Tek experience above a microdosing threshold, so, I can't be totally certain on the influence of the Akigumi bark tincture, but I do believe that it potentiated the experience, as this was qualitatively different enough from any other mushroom experience I've had, to expect there was some real synergy at work. I can't speak to the absolute potency of the tincture in terms of milligrams or grams of beta carbolines present, but as I've been working with it for several weeks now, there is definitely something to it. The intensity of the experience that followed is also a point in its favor, but it may just be the magic of OJ Tek at work.

A stormy night in the backwoods to set the stage. House is smudged and in good order, bed is comfy, lightning ricochets across the cloudscape after the storm has largely passed, and fireflies flicker amongst the trees.

One fresh squeezed orange, a small knob of grated Ginger, and a dash of grated nutmeg plus the above mentioned gram of sacrament constitute tonight's draught, consumed by candlelight with intent for healing, about a half an hour after taking three droppers of Akigumi bark tincture. The beauty of OJ is the quick come up, and near total conversion of psilocybin to psilocin, so the experience is very clean and bright, and shorter in duration than most other methods of preparation, including lemon tek.

The akigumi basically obliterates any anxiety or preflight jitters, so I'm just chilling in bed in silent darkness waiting for the come up. Visions begin to coalesce. Small wax doll like figures of bird people engaged in tasks of mundane life in vivid color are the first indications of the medicine taking hold. A brilliantly colored feline entity with stripes of gold and purple and green whose face is melting into its own open maw invites me deeper into the space.

I enter it's open mouth and pass through into the space of vision. Thousands of snakes drifting like multicolored streamers in a graceful dance of synchrony move before me. There are senses of lashing tongues and some energies of vague darkness on the periphery, these are aspects of my own energy that I recognize, and that I'm grateful to the medicine for illustrating to me. Moving deeper into the vision, a lot begins to happen...

Of course the visions are impossible to describe, but they have the living, brilliantly multicolored fractal geometry I associate with ayahuasca, yet they are simultaneously impossibly refined and delicate, repeating ad infinitum into a vast sense of space I find myself in the center of. Waves of illumination and impossible color seamlessly interweave throughout the delicate, intricate imagery.

At times I feel myself to be underwater, as the visions feel so alive, organic, and biological. At times I am confronted by vast evolving architectures of flashingly iridescent embodied geometry beings interwoven with the deepest blues and purples and reds, that thrum with an energy of life and vitality, as they evolve and coalesce and disintegrate from within each other. Words fail of course.

I find myself streaming towards what can only be described as a vast and hyperreal alien architecture, there is a sense of light, and presence moving on the periphery, as I stream towards a place of unspeakable intricacy that reminds me of a space station replete with multitudinous sensory input receivers. They perceive me, I perceive them, there is no sense of malice, only a sense of recognition amidst the profound experience of otherness. I engage in communication with, what? The spirit of the mushroom? The alien within? It's hard to say, but I ask questions, and receive clear answers.

There was more, much more, but lost to the ineffable. Lost to the inadequacy of language to express.

I only felt the faintest twinges of anxiety, despite the vividness and relative intensity of the experience, to which I credit the akigumi.

I have had some significant experiences with a gram in the past, but nothing like this. I am generally pretty sensitive to most medicines, but the quality of this experience definitely makes me interested to explore further.

Smooth landing, with some body twitches on the come down, which is something I experience occasionally with mushrooms, especially as they work their way through my digestive system. These twitches always feel like they are healing and beneficial for the enteric nervous system.

I sang some prayer songs to give thanks and close the simple ceremony.

All in all, it was an outstanding experience, and one that I would like to repeat at a slightly higher dosage when the time is right.

All bless
 
Last edited:

The tincture is great. I mostly take it at night as a sleep aid, but daytime effects are definitely anxiolytic, hypnotic, and slightly deliriant at the low doses I've been using. The anxiolytic effects are pronounced. I'm not a terribly anxious person to begin with, but I've found carry over effects in my daily life from using this tincture that are quite positive in terms of feeling confident, relaxed, and existentially at ease.

I'm not sure precisely which beta-carbolines are present from surveying the scientific literature, but it seems to have a spectrum, including THH, iirc.

It definitely has a lucid, dreamlike quality that it imparts to waking life that reminds me strongly of caapi and the afterglow of ayahuasca ceremony. Tastes good too :)

Seems to potentiate microdoses, so I thought to try it with a threshold dose, and afaict, it works.

I'm really on the quest for an anahuasca from my local biome, and if it is indeed an active oral potentiator, that's great because there is essentially an infinite amount of it around here.

It's a lovely plant. Beautiful, although somewhat invasive, and the berries are delicious. Seems that the whole plant is potently medicinal, although as far as I can tell so far, only the bark has RIMA properties.

My experiments with leaf and leaf tincture have yet to really begin, though, so it's possible, as others have said in the workspace thread, that leaf is active as well. No shortage of material to work with, so, I'll add my two cents to that question in time.
 
Last edited:
Thanks a lot for the report! I appreciate everybody putting effort into allying local medicines.

My own relationship with the local elaeagnus angustifolia here is 8 years old, but I have used it only as a modulator of rue and it's deserved stand alone alliance is coming as my relationship to it is restarting from a clean slate, as it has for rue also.

For me it's energetic signature is reminiscent of caapi too. And there seems to be a variation in effects depending on season and genetics. One smaller formed strain growing in arid plains is extremely stimulant and euphoric (very confident like you say) for me, while a larger form growing in water abundant valleys seems like a caapi style deep visionary journey that consistently stirs the mud of emotional wounds.

I had limited myself to a very small area for harvesting rue and elaeagnus for many years and this really had given me a distorted picture for both of these plants. At least with rue I have done a decent amount of exploration over a much larger expanse of land since last year, but with Russian olive I am still ignorant. But the fact that I had never been able to inhibit mao for oral DMT activation seems consistent with others' experience here. I would be delighted to see if among all these other strains I find one that does really act as an aya analogue base. The spirit effect similar to rue or caapi by itself is there, but the mao inhibition is so far absent. So I am curious if in your experience you consider the combination to be a true potentiation rather than a synergy.
 
Btw, harmine, harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine in elaeagnus umbellata!? If that's true, it should be a perfect caapi/rue analogue. This is not true for angustifolia. It doesn't have harmaline, there are some obscure references about harmine, but Im not really sure about it. And it has tetrahydroharman, not tetrahydroharmine.
 
So I am curious if in your experience you consider the combination to be a true potentiation rather than a synergy.
It's hard for me to say. This experience report is the first time I've combined it with anything serotonergic in any significant quantity. While I have several contenders, I have yet to source a local reliable chacruna analogue. I imagine I will be making a variety of potions in the future, and I will be certain to post any significant and unequivocal results in the forum here.

I may attempt an Elaeagnus and Gleditsia brew before long. SWIM made and bioassayed a Gleditsia and passiflora brew (Missihuasca) several times, and while it was a deep and meditative experience, there was no (or perhaps only very very slight) spice activity to speak of.
 
Btw, harmine, harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine in elaeagnus umbellata!? If that's true, it should be a perfect caapi/rue analogue. This is not true for angustifolia. It doesn't have harmaline, there are some obscure references about harmine, but Im not really sure about it. And it has tetrahydroharman, not tetrahydroharmine.
Right. Big, if true... Depending on concentration. Again that was just Google AI. I should read the source links and dig a little deeper. I certainly appreciate the rational mind and all of its capabilities, and, ultimately, it all comes down to experience and relationship.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating! 😁
 
Btw, harmine, harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine in elaeagnus umbellata!? If that's true, it should be a perfect caapi/rue analogue. This is not true for angustifolia. It doesn't have harmaline, there are some obscure references about harmine, but Im not really sure about it. And it has tetrahydroharman, not tetrahydroharmine.
Harmalas not only in that one, but apparently also in Hippophae rhamnoides, E. angustifolia, E. multiflora, and E. argentea.

The beta-carbolines found in those are harmane, dihydroharmane, tetrahydroharmane (not tetrahydroharmine, not THH!) and a few more in low amounts. The total amount of harmalas was under 0.3% for H. rhamnoides, less for the other ones.

There was no harmine, harmaline, or THH.

@taita LLMs are very useful to surface and connect information, but one should always check the sources. As they will generate plausible text that may or may not be right. Sci-Hub and Anna’s Archive are useful to get access to sources ;)
 

Attachments

Harmalas not only in that one, but apparently also in Hippophae rhamnoides, E. angustifolia, E. multiflora, and E. argentea.

The beta-carbolines found in those are harmane, dihydroharmane, tetrahydroharmane (not tetrahydroharmine, not THH!) and a few more in low amounts. The total amount of harmalas was under 0.3% for H. rhamnoides, less for the other ones.

There was no harmine, harmaline, or THH.

@taita LLMs are very useful to surface and connect information, but one should always check the sources. As they will generate plausible text that may or may not be right. Sci-Hub and Anna’s Archive are useful to get access to sources ;)
Thanks blig-blug, I kinda figured that list was AI hallucination wishful thinking. I value fact and reason (as well as intuition and feeling). I'm assuming the alkaloids present (harmane, dihydroharmane, tetrahydroharmane) are not able to potentiate oral DMT. Is that known to be the case, as far as you know?

Also, thank you for the links! Anna's archive is new to me. I appreciate the Tolkachev paper as well. I had tried accessing that elsewhere and met with no success

Since psilocin is already orally active, I wonder if the beta carbolines present in the Autumn olive were able to contribute some synergistic effects while not strictly being an oral potentiator. The quality of the experience was quite intense for a gram, but perhaps that's just the power of the OJ tek at work. I will have to try a straight gram OJ tek without tincture added and make a qualitative comparison.

Except, the tincture was such a nice addition!

In any case, it was a great combination for me, and one that I will be exploring again
 
Last edited:
I'm assuming the alkaloids present (harmane, dihydroharmane, tetrahydroharmane) are not able to potentiate oral DMT. Is that known to be the case, as far as you know?
I don't know, I'll look it up later but I'm sure we have some members here that will know.

If you felt a difference, I think it's worth investigating further!
 
One hypothesis that I am entertaining is that the tannins bind to the beta carbolines, preventing their maoi action.

Another one is that these beta carbolines are mostly mao b inhibitors rather than of mao a.
 
Last edited:
I spent time harvesting and drinking wild Russian olive back in 2020 and it def felt like caapi. So much so that I could be convinced I was drinking vine, except that it does not activate DMT. It even tastes like vine and the brew looks like muricata brews. Autumn olive I figure would be the same as it does not contain harmine or harmaline afaik but it’s not found around here so I never tried. My attention went to sea buckthorn and then just elsewhere.
 
One hypothesis that I am entertaining is that the tannins bind to the beta carbolines, preventing their maoi action.

Another one is that these beta carbolines are mostly mao b inhibitors rather than of mao a.

If tannins binding to beta carbolines are preventing maoi activity, wouldn’t something similar happen when rue and mimosa are brewed together?
 
If tannins binding to beta carbolines are preventing maoi activity, wouldn’t something similar happen when rue and mimosa are brewed together?

Apparently type of tannins differ in their binding strength to the beta carbolines.

I have never tried brewing rue and mimosa together. Have you? Was it successful? I have tried brewing rue and acacia confusa together and it was quite a dud...
 
Rue and mimosa yes…never worked with confusa brews at all personally. Is it common that people who brew confusa and rue together have that result?

One thing also Is I guess mimosa you only need a few grams while the Russian olive I needed way way more so maybe there are more tannins present. There is a lot in vine though as well but if different tannins can block the inhibition than maybe there’s something to it?
 
Back
Top Bottom