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A jaunt with CIELO. Eventually others...

DetritusTheEgo

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It has been several years in the making but have reached the point where I have everything to attempt my first mescaline extract. I do not have any experience with mescaline and have been excited for the day where I have my first experience with the compound knowing I personally grew it, harvested, and extracted it being it's guide from start to finish. I found this grounded and connected me more to mushroom experience. Cacti has been a lesson in patience given it's lifecycle is far greater but has been nothing but a pleasure throughout.

When I first looked into mescaline extracting, a good five years ago plus, I had defaulted to Kash's A/B Mescaline Extraction. I then watched Madhattress journey a few years back in Mescaline: Kash AB HCl and Cielo Extraction Attempts(update: Extractions Complete) +New extractions, and that made me favor CIELO as my initial foray. pete666's recent Trichocereus potency testing also made me discover his STB Mescaline Extraction TEK and (Back-)salting mescaline by HCl titration. I am not prepared with the components necessary to do either of these extracts currently, but would enjoy doing both at a future date just for the fun of the extract.

I figured I'd make a post here where I can document my extract journey. Welcome to anyone who would like to tag along 🙏, I'm not going to be doing anything ground-breaking but happy to have you.

All of my cacti material was cut and stored in the dark or at low ambient light conditions anywhere from six to twelve+ months. When it came time to cut and dry the cacti it was done at room temperature with circulating air being added. I used a multi-tool or needle nose pliers to break off large spines whenever it was convenient for the variety being worked with. I included the core with all of the material I have saved and did not de-skin / de-wax any. I currently have the material separated in a way where I can garner a potency of individual cultivars, much like pete666 shared recently ( thank you for that reference material! ).

CIELO Extract #1:
I have ~100g blended to a fine powder with both citric acid and fumaric acid at my disposal. I plan to go the fumaric acid route trusting the benefits that it has over the once default citric acid. My first batches cacti material also being a no name 'PC' cultivar from my collection lends to the assumption this batch may not be a high yielder.

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Thanks Loveall, I was just looking through the calculator last evening and was thinking 'I wonder when this got added...' It seemed like a great companion to the tek. I will make use of it.

One thing that did jump out to me was the 1xEA vs 2xEA option in the calculator. I hadn't decided which I was going to go with but saw that both expect to lose about the same amount of EA ~102g. I'll go with that recommendation.
 
Made some progress today.

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Stopped before the crystallization as I see some brighter colored sediment. How do you know if it is debris or water? I already did a filter through two coffee filters after I pulled the ethyl acetate from the french press which makes me think water potentially. I did the filter from this half gallon ball jar into two 1000ml flasks then back into this half gallon, so maybe just wasn't thorough and left some stragglers in the half gallon.

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Looking good man! Many years ago I embarked on the same journy you are on! From seed through to extraction! Nothing more rewarding than that following the cycle through from start to finish and knowing you will now always have a source for your own medicine!

I have always gotten quality results from Kashs A/B and it has been my go to, but I am looking at and reading up on CIELO and looking at pulling an extract in the near future.
 
Are you using doubled coffe filters? That looks like debris not water. You need to filter them out.

How many debris are in your original filter? You probably want to add a little more water. Your clumped up mass has cracks in it and is not sticking well. That is probably the reason you got some lose debris n your EA.
 
Looking good man! Many years ago I embarked on the same journy you are on! From seed through to extraction! Nothing more rewarding than that following the cycle through from start to finish and knowing you will now always have a source for your own medicine!

I have always gotten quality results from Kashs A/B and it has been my go to, but I am looking at and reading up on CIELO and looking at pulling an extract in the near future.
Thanks and agreed! I'm interested to observe the difference between the extract methods. I think whichever method will scale the best to slightly large extract amounts so I don't have to extract as many times and consume as much solvent may end up being the winner for me. Solvent is hard to come by where I am, the ethyl acetate I have currently was a five hour round trip.

Are you using doubled coffe filters? That looks like debris not water. You need to filter them out.

How many debris are in your original filter? You probably want to add a little more water. Your clumped up mass has cracks in it and is not sticking well. That is probably the reason you got some lose debris n your EA.
Thanks for the feedback. I always assumed too much water would be my fail on that stage not too little! 🌊 I'm reviewing the pictures of my mixture and was curious what called out to you the most as being under hydrated? My pictures in order were the mix, a ball when grabbing some and squeezing, and the ball when I crumbled it back. I'm guessing the first picture without my hands is the best indicator now that I review the pictures in the tek again. I had made an assumption that ideal hydration mix was in the clump then crumble stage for whatever reason. I added the 130ml of dH2O and it seemed to pass the 'forms a clump but breaks back apart easily when squeezed' so I did not use any of the reserve.

I did have sediment in the filter when I collected the EA. Was something I figured I need to rectify with my french press. I noticed that my french press had a divet in a section so was thinking may have been one factor.

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I did not clean the half gallon before I poured the two coffee filtered ethyl acetate flasks back into it. High probability that could have contributed to the remaining sediment.

I filtered again this evening through two coffee filters into a clean half gallon jar. Saw no sediment after four hours of settling. I added 3g of fumaric and elected to test my patience further by doing the slow crystallization method. Will check in a few days.
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It was the cracks/ridges and fallen edge in your clumped up mass. It is barely holding together. Compare to the TEK where the clump has a smoother surface.

A little bit of sediment is OK in the filters, but if the filtering begins to slow down, that is a clear indication that not enough water was used to bind small particles to the paste.

Not sure what to make of the french press ridge. I do feel like your minor issue was not enough water. It is not a big deal, just adds a little work filter before salting.
 
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Huzzah! I'd call it a success :love:. Thanks for the insight and the work on the tek Loveall + Nexians!

Still going to give it until Saturday was my initial plan via the slow crystallization method. I still see undissolved fumaric acid at the base ( lighter color and look more like salt granules ) and there are longer needle shaped crystals formed and forming above. I'll do some gentle stirring if I still see the fumaric at that point versus tossing it on the magnetic stirrer but welcome to input / feedback.
 
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