From ayahuasca literature, many curanderos need very little medicine to connect.
With time, these pathways become well-defined and easily accessible, imo. It's in accord with neurobiology, too.
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A Journey with harmalas, 40 days and nights
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With time, these pathways become well-defined and easily accessible, imo. It's in accord with neurobiology, too.
I drank at most for 5 consecutive days, if I remember right. Skipping a day or two in between I may have drank much more than that in total. I don't recall any tolerance, in general I am extremely sensitive to rue and everything, and I feel my sensitivity is greatly boosted from rue and admixture plants.
Plant pharmacology is complex for sure and plants definitely harbor opposite properties; and which one is emphasized depends on the way it is used. I can imagine ingesting consecutive days for a very extended period of time could bring out a tolerance. I can also imagine that the synergy of certain plant mixtures could prevent tolerance or boost reverse tolerance. Like rue with DMT or salvinorin A. One more thing I can imagine is that sensitivity may reduce when plants are ingested non ceremonially, and may increase when done ceremonially.
One more thing I would like to add is that the number forty and forty days is very symbolic and expresses sacredness in the Turkish, Persian, Jewish, Arabic cultures. I wouldn't take such a Hadith as literal advice that 40 day ingestion of rue brings magical effects that other number of days won't. Jesus also had his 40 day ordeal.
Plant pharmacology is complex for sure and plants definitely harbor opposite properties; and which one is emphasized depends on the way it is used. I can imagine ingesting consecutive days for a very extended period of time could bring out a tolerance. I can also imagine that the synergy of certain plant mixtures could prevent tolerance or boost reverse tolerance. Like rue with DMT or salvinorin A. One more thing I can imagine is that sensitivity may reduce when plants are ingested non ceremonially, and may increase when done ceremonially.
One more thing I would like to add is that the number forty and forty days is very symbolic and expresses sacredness in the Turkish, Persian, Jewish, Arabic cultures. I wouldn't take such a Hadith as literal advice that 40 day ingestion of rue brings magical effects that other number of days won't. Jesus also had his 40 day ordeal.
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The amount of rue or caapi tea I can work with now is much greater than 10 years ago. I don't know about tolerance, but the body adapts for sure.
The energy body changes accordingly. The state I get to on my medicine is very different to before. Medicine ceremonies are like a workout for our energy system.
We can reach a much higher and cleaner state. I'd say that they change our baseline, too. My depression is mostly gone, and the psyche is permanently changed.
It would be difficult to say what these changes exactly are, but the overall sense of myself is different. That's how it feels, at least.
The energy body changes accordingly. The state I get to on my medicine is very different to before. Medicine ceremonies are like a workout for our energy system.
We can reach a much higher and cleaner state. I'd say that they change our baseline, too. My depression is mostly gone, and the psyche is permanently changed.
It would be difficult to say what these changes exactly are, but the overall sense of myself is different. That's how it feels, at least.
Let's push it to 49 days, which is common in many traditions
Jokes aside, my point is that there is no set time for a process, that we need to stay connected to the energy and decide for ourselves what is best for us.
40 days always seemed significant to me, like it's more than a month. I get what you're saying, though.
I don't even know if 10 days is doable for me. I think I'll try this first, when time comes.
I don't even know if 10 days is doable for me. I think I'll try this first, when time comes.
Harmalas did help me shed the last remains of my depression.
MAOIs are still used as antidepressants as far as I know, though they seem to be a last resort kind of thing, probably related to their interactions and diet requirements.
MAOIs are still used as antidepressants as far as I know, though they seem to be a last resort kind of thing, probably related to their interactions and diet requirements.
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Frisker
Im not real, I never was.
I do have a script for Marplan (Isocarboxazid) and its my fav for pharma, and it helps if i take it as well I guess but it makes me slightly tired; I use it occasionally. I'm lucky am able to be so open and clear with my drs ect.
I mean I dunno I’m not qualified to say what’s an anti depressant or not.
I drank vine every day for probly over a year, then rue etc…I still had terrible anxiety and I don’t really get depressed so who knows.
microdosing mushrooms is more of a useful ally to me in that sense.
I drank vine every day for probly over a year, then rue etc…I still had terrible anxiety and I don’t really get depressed so who knows.
microdosing mushrooms is more of a useful ally to me in that sense.
My wife does use harmalas most nights because she finds they help her OCD so she can relax and sleep etc…but then she’s not looking for the psychedelic effects and doesn’t seem to experience tolerance.
I don’t use them more than maybe a few times a month and I want the 2a receptor type tryptamine sort of stuff.
For all the sleep or relaxation stuff at night I use amanita. It just works better for me. Everyone is so different there probly won’t be one thing for depression or insomnia etc. Everyone has different ally’s. Plus I can pick all the psilocybes and amanitas I need wild where I live so even if I was homeless I could do it.
I don’t use them more than maybe a few times a month and I want the 2a receptor type tryptamine sort of stuff.
For all the sleep or relaxation stuff at night I use amanita. It just works better for me. Everyone is so different there probly won’t be one thing for depression or insomnia etc. Everyone has different ally’s. Plus I can pick all the psilocybes and amanitas I need wild where I live so even if I was homeless I could do it.
Rue is not good for insomnia. I would claim that this is beyond individual responses. Amanita definitely is much better suited. (OCD might work different)
I also tend to have this hopeful state no matter what my individual or the world situation is and I know it is the rue spirit in me. It's just like "God exists so everything is fine."
Its a baseline, and above that I have my intense emotional processes. Sadness, rebellion, the whole spectrum.
I also tend to have this hopeful state no matter what my individual or the world situation is and I know it is the rue spirit in me. It's just like "God exists so everything is fine."
Its a baseline, and above that I have my intense emotional processes. Sadness, rebellion, the whole spectrum.
murklan
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Hello!
I'm curious of this, partly because this might be something I've also experienced. That after semi-regular use of harmalas (rue) for years I don't experience psychedelics as before.
I've written about it here before (like here) so I wont repeat myself. But I've always been quite moderate with the amounts of harmalas, to begin with extracted for sublingual use, then I continued with tea and that is how I still take them. ~3,5 g rue seeds simmered * 3 with some acid. Then cannabis or Psilocybe or DMT. I've done it more or less weekly, not always with a psychedelic but more often just cannabis. I've thought that I've got a permanent tolerance or at least a significant change if how classical psychedelics effects me. Perhaps 5-HT2A downregulation as I've read could happen with MOAI's.
I still get a lot out of them, both rue and psychedelics, but now it's no visuals or lofty thoughts or spiritual feelings, more emotional and embodied.
Curios of how this might be connected to harmalas...
I ended up in a similar situation - no visions, but somatic experiences with the opening of the psyche. My idea about why this happens is a bit different. I think we train our energy body with these medicines. It would be akin to yoga, pranayama, or tsa-lung training.
In this process, the energy body changes and cleanses itself. I mostly worked with oral brews heavy in harmalas, where this purifying effect is very obvious.
There are three stages in the oral brew experience for me:
1. Low strength: Your ego is mostly intact, you have very few visions, and you must work through many thoughts and emotions.
2. Mid strength: The ego is halfway gone, you have many visions, and most thoughts and emotions clear by themselves through sheer energetic power.
Only the most pressing issues come up to be dealt with.
3. High strength: The ego is almost gone, and you fly past the first two stages into an open mind state where only ease and love exist.
In this last category of experiences, there are almost no visions. You just fly past the visionary state into the here and now, and this present reality opens up exponentially.
So, the lack of visions depends heavily on how you work, with what, and your energy system. Once, I looked for visions, and they were there. It's just that I lost interest in the eye candy, and my focus rests elsewhere. I hope this helps you make some sense of it all.