A Journey with harmalas, 40 days and nights

[Frisk911]

WARNING: Don't do this, I was very sick for a long time before I got my "Feet". It was worth it but please be aware of your own body and self and limitations. Consuming any psychoactive substances for 40 days straight has risks and some people might react badly,I am NOT recommending it for others, but merely sharing MY experience, Anyways.

I am Proud Hasidic Jew so my experience was heavily influenced by such, Everything that happens in this world is part of a divine plan; That is my perception of the world.

Hello everyone.

My belief in G-d and the teachings of our Hasidic tradition helped me navigate through a challenging experience. I recently went through a journey where I took 400 milligrams of harmala alkaloids extracted from rue in salts, Daily over 40 days and 40 nights, Totaling 16 grams over the duration of the experience. The experience was intense and became stronger every 10 days. I experienced ego death, contact with entities, visions, dream worlds, out-of-body experiences, and black on black and white on white hallucinations. I felt as though I was experiencing an entirely different reality, one that was both beautiful and terrifying.

Throughout this experience, my faith played a significant role in keeping me grounded. I found comfort in prayer, meditation, and reflection. I also felt a strong connection to my ancestors and to the greater Jewish community. I felt as though I was experiencing a spiritual journey, one that had the potential to bring me closer to my faith. After the tenth day I was never remotely sober.

As the days passed, I noticed that the darkness that had accompanied my experience started to fade. I began to feel more at peace with myself and with the world around me. I realized that this experience had taught me a valuable lesson about the dangers of addiction. I had become addicted to altered states of consciousness that lots of different things provided me. I understood that my addiction had taken me away from my true self and my relationship with G-d. I was grateful for this experience as it helped me recognize my addiction and allowed me to overcome it.

Now, after completing the 40 days and 40 nights, I have decided to stay sober for another 40 days and 40 nights. I am committed to living a life free from addiction and to honor my faith through my actions. I am grateful for the support of my community and my family, who have been with me every step of the way. I know that this will not be an easy journey, but I am determined to succeed and to live a life that is aligned with my values and beliefs.

With my last day being behind me I can still feel very pronounced effects from the harmalas, Its going away bit by bit but I still feel very altered and strange. My skin has a light glow under UV light and everything I touched is also glowing under UV light strongly. it was a healing experience, But not one that was enjoyable or I'd want to do again. By day 30 I became unable to really bring anything back due to the intensity of the experience, I just know it was healing me at a deeper level while I was away.

In conclusion, I would like to stress the importance of staying true to oneself and to one, If anyone has any questions, Feel free to ask!

Thanks to all the people in chat for hanging out with during these 40 days of isolation outside of doctors vists.

 

[Jin]

found comfort in prayer, meditation, and reflection.

Is there a specific kind of meditation you were doing?

 

[Frisk911]

Is there a specific kind of meditation you were doing?

My own type of transcendental meditation with Jewish "Mantra"s as well as traditional Jewish meditation, Jewish meditation that is harder to explain as it has to do with mindfulness of the animal nature of the human.

Instead of silencing of the mind its more of an observation and introspection deeper into why the thoughts are there in the way they have manifested. If that makes any sense, The effects of the harmalas are still quiet noticeable so there is still a level of difficulty in communicating my thoughts and feelings.

 

[f1]

Good day wonderful folks!

It's refreshing to hear of someone in contrast to me Frisker. Lately I've been thinking the cosmos is like a child figuring things out and learning through us and others. A plan, does relax me a bit. Does that mean there is a specific goal to life?

Brave you for diving in for many days in a row, a test few of us could endure. Something i doubt i'd ever consider

The constant "ego death, contact with entities, visions, dream worlds, out-of-body experiences" sounds intenseeeee :twisted:

Any specific prayers and reflections?

Wow surfing the genetic ancestrals sounds tripppy

What a powerful experience and report! and what a wonderful time of the year to have these experiences as the flowers bud and bloom.

You always be glowing like a shamanic Goku in my eyes 8)

Reminding myself to "stay true to oneself and one"

You did well in the Apex Legends games! I'm sure better than any other nexus member could throw down, so your motor controls were doing pretty good! :thumb_up: :thumb_up:

Glad we got to chat and hang out as much as we did throughout this epic journey of yours!

Talk soon

 

[Pandora]

Frisk911,

This is a good report and I enjoyed reading it. Very interesting journey and it sounds like though it was not easy that you did in fact fulfill your original intentions. Easy to say/write and difficult to do.

Fascinating that the harmalas seemed to stack up with you and give effects similar to DMT over time.

What I'd love to hear more about is the NEXT 40 days. I noticed you were having some difficult withdrawls in chat about 15 hours ago and that was just day 1. I know you are abstaining from other things than harmalas but that's up to you to write.

I hope you are at least making a small journal entry each and every day. It will be interesting to know how you feel on days 10, 20, 30 and 40 of this abstention journey.

Thanks again for sharing.

-Pandora

 

[Frisk911]

It's refreshing to hear of someone in contrast to me Frisker. Lately I've been thinking the cosmos is like a child figuring things out and learning through us and others. A plan, does relax me a bit. Does that mean there is a specific goal to life?

Thanks f1, It's great to see you embracing different perspectives and contemplating the meaning of life. While I don't believe there is one specific goal to life, having a plan or purpose can definitely provide some sense of direction and comfort. As for prayers and reflections, I find it helpful to focus on gratitude and positivity, and to always strive to be the best version of myself. Surfing the genetic ancestrals does sound intriguing, doesn't it? It's amazing how these experiences can connect us to our past and help us better understand ourselves. And thank you for the kind words about my Apex skills, I try my best in all I do! It was a pleasure hanging out with you and sharing in this incredible journey. Let us speak and hang out again soon. Take care!, f1!

What I'd love to hear more about is the NEXT 40 days.

Thanks for posting Pandora, Yeah its been rough and its getting worst, I am keeping notes of my sober state but the thoughts are very racy and fast; Hard to wrangle the words into something sensible. But I will do a follow up after im done spending my time away. My body seems to be very unhappy with getting cut off.

 

[Panpsychic]

WARNING: Don't do this, I was very sick for a long time before I got my "Feet". It was worth it but please be aware of your own body and self and limitations. Consuming any psychoactive substances for 40 days straight has risks and some people might react badly,I am NOT recommending it for others, but merely sharing MY experience, Anyways.

I am Proud Hasidic Jew so my experience was heavily influenced by such, Everything that happens in this world is part of a divine plan; That is my perception of the world.

Hello everyone.

My belief in G-d and the teachings of our Hasidic tradition helped me navigate through a challenging experience. I recently went through a journey where I took 400 milligrams of harmala alkaloids extracted from rue in salts, Daily over 40 days and 40 nights, Totaling 16 grams over the duration of the experience. The experience was intense and became stronger every 10 days. I experienced ego death, contact with entities, visions, dream worlds, out-of-body experiences, and black on black and white on white hallucinations. I felt as though I was experiencing an entirely different reality, one that was both beautiful and terrifying.

Throughout this experience, my faith played a significant role in keeping me grounded. I found comfort in prayer, meditation, and reflection. I also felt a strong connection to my ancestors and to the greater Jewish community. I felt as though I was experiencing a spiritual journey, one that had the potential to bring me closer to my faith. After the tenth day I was never remotely sober.

As the days passed, I noticed that the darkness that had accompanied my experience started to fade. I began to feel more at peace with myself and with the world around me. I realized that this experience had taught me a valuable lesson about the dangers of addiction. I had become addicted to altered states of consciousness that lots of different things provided me. I understood that my addiction had taken me away from my true self and my relationship with G-d. I was grateful for this experience as it helped me recognize my addiction and allowed me to overcome it.

Now, after completing the 40 days and 40 nights, I have decided to stay sober for another 40 days and 40 nights. I am committed to living a life free from addiction and to honor my faith through my actions. I am grateful for the support of my community and my family, who have been with me every step of the way. I know that this will not be an easy journey, but I am determined to succeed and to live a life that is aligned with my values and beliefs.

With my last day being behind me I can still feel very pronounced effects from the harmalas, Its going away bit by bit but I still feel very altered and strange. My skin has a light glow under UV light and everything I touched is also glowing under UV light strongly. it was a healing experience, But not one that was enjoyable or I'd want to do again. By day 30 I became unable to really bring anything back due to the intensity of the experience, I just know it was healing me at a deeper level while I was away.

In conclusion, I would like to stress the importance of staying true to oneself and to one, If anyone has any questions, Feel free to ask!

Thanks to all the people in chat for hanging out with during these 40 days of isolation outside of doctors vists.

This is indeed a fascinating account and how effects deepened and accumulated as the days passed as part of a spiritual practice and produced very powerful psychedelic effects we don't usually associate with it in a single dose. I have heard something about this 40 night practice with Harmala from various traditions, and also that the Rue plant itself is always protected by angels or higher beings where it grows.

There is definitely something here worthy of further exploration, I think we live in a fast paced lifestyle of instant gratification which is maybe part of why some people like the freebase DMT flash but this is different type of work.

Hopefully he is doing well now.

 

[Prima Materia]

Thanks for sharing this mind-bending report.
I wish you all the best!

 

[Panpsychic]

It's definitely an interesting journey to try, but I wonder how many would be willing or able to do it for that stretch of time?
Maybe starting out with just 14 days could be a start and then evaluate how it's going.

I can see this as doable if one has a stretch of time without commitments and can do it like a long meditation retreat. Drinking a rue tea mixed with juice in the morning and night.

Alternatively one could maybe smoke a strong rue hash joint with herbal blends to replace one of the drinks, but I think at least some of the harmalas would need to be drunk daily for full effects.

I wonder also what it would be like to smoke DMT every couple of days as the harmala effects accumulate in the system, and if this would take it to ever deeper terrain also? I have a feeling it would.

This is an experiment and odyssey only for the hardore and those truly committed to a spiritual path I say.

 

[Varallo]

Interesting report on a somewhat extreme experiment. I have used harmalas for weeks on end but never in the dosage range you described so I can’t relate to your experience. Wat interest me are the effects you describe,

My skin has a light glow under UV light and everything I touched is also glowing under UV light strongly

Where you seeing your fingerprints glowing from the preparation of the dose or do you think it was from you excreting a compound that was glowing under black light?

 

[Frisker]

This is indeed a fascinating account and how effects deepened and accumulated as the days passed as part of a spiritual practice and produced very powerful psychedelic effects we don't usually associate with it in a single dose. I have heard something about this 40 night practice with Harmala from various traditions, and also that the Rue plant itself is always protected by angels or higher beings where it grows.

There is definitely something here worthy of further exploration, I think we live in a fast paced lifestyle of instant gratification which is maybe part of why some people like the freebase DMT flash but this is different type of work.

Hopefully he is doing well now.

Lost my old account due to password and email issues.

I am doing okay I still take harmalas regularly and my skin still glows some, But Its not as often and normally ill just do it for a week straight. About the beings that protect the plant, Yes. You can seek them out and find them but Its mentally taxing and might become your whole life and take other things from you; I was able to sit with Hashem (the name, G-d, ect, whathave you) for 40 days and 40 nights. Once consequence Ive had is I simply can not break thru or trip with DMT anymore. I can go thru grams in a night and its like a mild mushroom trip. So- Be careful with Kabbalah unless you know what your doing and interacting with. Well I think Angels. for that long can be very mentally taxing. But Im thinking of doing another 40 days and 40 nights to be honest.

Interesting report on a somewhat extreme experiment. I have used harmalas for weeks on end but never in the dosage range you described so I can’t relate to your experience. Wat interest me are the effects you describe,
Where you seeing your fingerprints glowing from the preparation of the dose or do you think it was from you excreting a compound that was glowing under black light?

Thanks, Im thinking of doing another 40days/40nights! this time with chaliponga tea occasionally.

It's definitely an interesting journey to try, but I wonder how many would be willing or able to do it for that stretch of time?
Maybe starting out with just 14 days could be a start and then evaluate how it's going.

I can see this as doable if one has a stretch of time without commitments and can do it like a long meditation retreat. Drinking a rue tea mixed with juice in the morning and night.

Alternatively one could maybe smoke a strong rue hash joint with herbal blends to replace one of the drinks, but I think at least some of the harmalas would need to be drunk daily for full effects.

I wonder also what it would be like to smoke DMT every couple of days as the harmala effects accumulate in the system, and if this would take it to ever deeper terrain also? I have a feeling it would.

This is an experiment and odyssey only for the hardore and those truly committed to a spiritual path I say.

I can do a 14 day trip and wait a bit if you would like, And yes. I'd say if you follow in my footsteps you will end up very religous/spirtual.

Interesting report on a somewhat extreme experiment. I have used harmalas for weeks on end but never in the dosage range you described so I can’t relate to your experience. Wat interest me are the effects you describe,
Where you seeing your fingerprints glowing from the preparation of the dose or do you think it was from you excreting a compound that was glowing under black light?

it was 100% the harmalas being excreted from my pores. it was even on spots like my back where my fingers would never touch, my urine stained my toilet and everything i slept in during that pirod got impregnated with the blue glow. All the pictures are lost in the IRC(I replyed to you twice sorry lol)


OK-

So after the 40 days I was very emotional and vaurnable, As in I was physically weak and couldnt move hardly or go outside as the sun felt like it was killing me, I felt compelled to read the Torah and other religious texts and pray and be with other Jews and pray. So I lost my account in the comedown beacuse it was..... A very strong come down. lets but it like that, I lost my password and fricked up my account, ect ect, I have turned into a hermit thought, Outside of going to pray I stay alone and read and pray. DMT dosnt work anymore like I said above, Like even 100mgs vaped its just... Nothing. After the harmalas all enthogens are very very blunted. I am typing this right now on 450ugs of LSD and 65mg of MAL and for me this is a comfortable dose, According to everything I've studied about these two compounds these are very high doses and I should be having strong effects, I feel a mild buzz. Even with month or three breaks I just have a perma-tolorance now to all enthogens and other drugs. I don't get high like I used2.

Sorry it took me so long to reply.

 

[northape]

I have turned into a hermit thought, Outside of going to pray I stay alone and read and pray. DMT dosnt work anymore like I said above, Like even 100mgs vaped its just... Nothing. After the harmalas all enthogens are very very blunted.

I feel like Syrian Rue connects us to divine planes. This effect is much more pronounced in it than in Caapi.
After high doses of Rue, I very seldom have a breakthrough in the normal sense: all cartoons or hyperspace visions are gone.
What I get is an energetic opening and a connection to reality, which opens up tremendously.

Acacia works in synergy with this side of Rue. After such medicine, all I wanted was to pray, and living alone in a cave doing it seemed like a fine idea.
I kind of understand serious practitioners of any religion now. God is so close you can almost touch the divine, and reality transforms into a field of magic and wonder.
Angels are always near and whisper God's praises all around.

I'd love to do a 40-day and 40-night fast with Rue tea. Maybe if my life allows, I'll do it someday.
You need a very specific environment around you to make it and benefit from it.
Thank you for sharing. Good luck with your next fast

 

[Frisker]

Tell us if you started to feel an "antidepressant" effect. MAOIs are the original antidepressants, but most people who use harmalas will not experience such an effect because:

"The biochemical effect of MAOI to elevate serotonin and norepinephrine levels occurs rapidly. However, the therapeutic relief of depression requires several weeks of daily treatment."*

It isn't fully understood why this is:

Scientists uncover delayed effects of citalopram on brain’s reward system. Vladimir Hedrih. 2025-03-20. PsyPost


*Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors (Kevin Happe) in xPharm: The Comprehensive Pharmacology Reference, 2007 (Introduction)

100% during and after, I was kinda manic even, Everything was a blur besides the notes I made after day 7~, But even with the antidepressant effect I still relelized I enjoy being alone and doing things on my time, So I enjoy my life how it is. So I wish it made me more social but, Hey what can you do?

All I can really talk about anymore is aya/dmt/harmalas/ect related and my religion as that's all I do, I look depressed but I'm ok. the harmalas definitely help when im having a bad day and i am extra sensitive to them now and that hasn't gone away but I still dose the same as I enjoy the high dose of harmalas feeling, Sometimes I get visuals from dmt then :/ it really is strange how my body/mind changed so much.
(thank you for the reading material!)

I feel like Syrian Rue connects us to divine planes. This effect is much more pronounced in it than in Caapi.
After high doses of Rue, I very seldom have a breakthrough in the normal sense: all cartoons or hyperspace visions are gone.
What I get is an energetic opening and a connection to reality, which opens up tremendously.

Acacia works in synergy with this side of Rue. After such medicine, all I wanted was to pray, and living alone in a cave doing it seemed like a fine idea.
I kind of understand serious practitioners of any religion now. God is so close you can almost touch the divine, and reality transforms into a field of magic and wonder.
Angels are always near and whisper God's praises all around.

I'd love to do a 40-day and 40-night fast with Rue tea. Maybe if my life allows, I'll do it someday.
You need a very specific environment around you to make it and benefit from it.
Thank you for sharing. Good luck with your next fast

Thank you I have not drank high amounts cappi over a long time, two or three days at most and always with other enthogens so a trip report is difficult. But if I can ever get the material to drink the vine for 40 days and nights twice a day i will!

Yes my living conditions allow me pretty much endless alone time and personal space.
Im gonna do an extraction and do another 40day/night this December starting on the first, Its been 3 years I guess so why not?

This time I'm going to try diffrent teas once im fully "gone" from just the harmalas, Ive tried Acacia with rue, I agree. I also feel the desire to go into caves and sleep or just listen. But on the teas I have chaliponga (thats getting old) and chacruna (also getting old...I get distracted and burn pots alot :/ so, only when im feeling really good.) and some ACRB and MHRB, gonna try a tea of all of them.

Ill do my best to keep better notes this time, First thing that came to mind for round two beacuse who knows how many times my body can do this lol. I'll know when to stop i listen to my body well (i think.).

 

[northape]

Ill do my best to keep better notes this time, First thing that came to mind for round two beacuse who knows how many times my body can do this lol. I'll know when to stop i listen to my body well (i think.).

Speech-to-Text is pretty good on phones in 2025. I'd appreciate any notes, even if they are chaotic.
Maybe it'll be easier for you that way, and you can reflect on them later.
All the best

 

[Jamie01]

I’ve taken harmalas for over 40 days and my skin never glowed for a second unless I spilled harmalas on it.

After that long ime you develope a tolerance to the 5ht2a agonist effects of the harmalas and the visions/visuals just are dull in comparison.

 

[northape]

I’ve taken harmalas for over 40 days and my skin never glowed for a second unless I spilled harmalas on it.
After that long ime you develope a tolerance to the 5ht2a agonist effects of the harmalas and the visions/visuals just are dull in comparison.

Do you remember what your dose was?
The original hadith recommends something like 4g if I remember correctly.

 

[Jamie01]

My doses changed according to how I felt day to day.

I notice the tolerance pretty quick tbh. No one talks about it much. There used to be a user here Dagger I think long time ago who had posted about the tolerance issues with harmalas in relation to the 2a receptor.

If I take harmalas for a week for instance at visionary levels by the end of the week it’s really hard to achieve much compared to the first few days.

I really believe there IS tolerance and no one is talking about it. Harmalas loose that trippy vibe after a time and a break brings it back.

 

[Jamie01]

I also think this is why people say you need to get your body accustomed to harmalas and then you do t get as sick etc.

I think a lot of that is tolerance building, aside from the benefits of cleaning up your diet, fasting etc because that helps too.

 

[northape]

My doses changed according to how I felt day to day.
I notice the tolerance pretty quick tbh. No one talks about it much. There used to be a user here Dagger I think long time ago who had posted about the tolerance issues with harmalas in relation to the 2a receptor.
If I take harmalas for a week for instance at visionary levels by the end of the week it’s really hard to achieve much compared to the first few days.
I really believe there IS tolerance and no one is talking about it. Harmalas loose that trippy vibe after a time and a break brings it back.

I think it makes lots of sense, and I've read about tolerance somewhere on Nexus before.
My feeling is this kind of harmala fast makes sense only if you create an appropriate environment for it: alone, no commitments, deep contemplation & prayer.
Otherwise, it would just be a good healthy protocol for the body.

I also think this is why people say you need to get your body accustomed to harmalas and then you do t get as sick etc.
I think a lot of that is tolerance building, aside from the benefits of cleaning up your diet, fasting etc because that helps too.

Yeah, sounds reasonable. I feel harmalas actually clean our bodies of different pollutants, but it's just my subjective experience.
Thanks for your reflections

 

[Frisker]

I’ve taken harmalas for over 40 days and my skin never glowed for a second unless I spilled harmalas on it.

After that long ime you develope a tolerance to the 5ht2a agonist effects of the harmalas and the visions/visuals just are dull in comparison.

Thats interesting, I wish I had the pictures still because everyone doubted i was glowing, i remember I washed my hands with soap and water and took a pic of my calf lol, I don't know what to tell you, I doses many times but it really felt the other way for me, I'd lose control and "groundedness" the longer I was on harmalas at such a dose, When I do it again, I'm sure ill glow again, If it don't it I'll be frightened

I read all your other posts as well, thanks for contributing, I'll make sure to attach pictures and not lose them in the nexus chat. Should have materials and free time by Dec this year for round two.

I also think this is why people say you need to get your body accustomed to harmalas and then you do t get as sick etc.

I think a lot of that is tolerance building, aside from the benefits of cleaning up your diet, fasting etc because that helps too.

Once i got used to the feeling to some extent eventually i became paralyzed pretty much, I got up to take caps of rue extract and chat on the nexus. That was about all I could do, I even eventually stopped feeling hunger, and that lasted for a while, Not sure if thats a good or bad thing. But with every dose it was like pushing the thottle a bit more, even into the redline.

Right now id say im still even more sensetive to the plant and every time I use it in any way its much much stronger per mg, Could be placbo? Im wondering if it will stack when I do it next, so double the reverse tolerance

I think it makes lots of sense, and I've read about tolerance somewhere on Nexus before.
My feeling is this kind of harmala fast makes sense only if you create an appropriate environment for it: alone, no commitments, deep contemplation & prayer.
Otherwise, it would just be a good healthy protocol for the body.

Yeah, sounds reasonable. I feel harmalas actually clean our bodies of different pollutants, but it's just my subjective experience.
Thanks for your reflections

I got tolerance in the terms of side effects going away, Pretty much all of them


Just like northape said this is just my subjective experince.