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a mushroom ayawasca?
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Ginkgo
Rising Star
It will be potentiated by a MAOI, and that to an extreme degree. With a good amount of Syrian Rue or caapi, the effects is around three times as intense. Many people do therefore report bad experiences, but if you keep in mind that your usual 3 grams will be something like 9 grams (!), you can have a wonderful experience. Good luck!
Experience reports on this vary from postive to horrifying hospital visits.
It's something I have thought of doing myself, but when I do I'll probably start of with a tiny 0.5g of cubensis, maybe even smaller. I'd also be very careful to use a tried and trusted batch of vine with minimal side effects.
It's something I have thought of doing myself, but when I do I'll probably start of with a tiny 0.5g of cubensis, maybe even smaller. I'd also be very careful to use a tried and trusted batch of vine with minimal side effects.
I've heard a lot of people having issues with mushrooms + maois. I had one very positive experience with mushrooms and maois and keep meaning to put it up on these threads, so here goes...
I ate a gram and a half of aborts with 2.5g ground syrian rue seeds. The experience was closer to a 2.5-3 gram trip. It was very mellow, a decent amount of visuals and some body load that was not too bad. There was some social confusion when I was brought next door to meet the neighbors, but it was not bad and aside from probably coming cross as a tad weird, everything went smoothly. I danced in the pouring rain in the middle of the street with my neighbors had a great comeup and relaxed comedown. I did feel kinda more worn out the next day, not quite as recharged as mushrooms by themselves leave me, but still felt nice. I would only recommend this combination in low low doses, as everyone I've heard of doing it with more mushies/maois has had difficulty. Keep it small and see how it goes...
peace
SB
I ate a gram and a half of aborts with 2.5g ground syrian rue seeds. The experience was closer to a 2.5-3 gram trip. It was very mellow, a decent amount of visuals and some body load that was not too bad. There was some social confusion when I was brought next door to meet the neighbors, but it was not bad and aside from probably coming cross as a tad weird, everything went smoothly. I danced in the pouring rain in the middle of the street with my neighbors had a great comeup and relaxed comedown. I did feel kinda more worn out the next day, not quite as recharged as mushrooms by themselves leave me, but still felt nice. I would only recommend this combination in low low doses, as everyone I've heard of doing it with more mushies/maois has had difficulty. Keep it small and see how it goes...
peace
SB
when I do attempt it I will prob start with only 5-10 caapi with 1 gram at the most mushrooms..
camdemonium
Rising Star
SWIM can say from experience that SWIY should allow for potentiation of the MAOI before ingesting the shrooms for full effects. FYI crushed rue can be smoked if one is opposed to ingesting seeds (quite pleasant) or tea (quite like vomit-water).
SWIM once took a 4g dose of Ecuadorian Cubensis w/ 300mg of crude harmala extract. SWIM has not repeated such a feat since. SWIM was only really able to lie down during his journey, and SWIM's eyes were streaming down tears for nearly 5 full hours. SWIM says it was not very fun. However, SWIM's trip was very powerful and insightful, definitely comparable to SWIM's aya experiences. SWIM experienced lots of entity contact and time distortions.
SWIM recommends starting with enough MAOI to get you successfully inhibited, and then starting with 1g to 2g of shrooms, then add more if you feel comfortable.
SWIM recommends starting with enough MAOI to get you successfully inhibited, and then starting with 1g to 2g of shrooms, then add more if you feel comfortable.
freethinker
Rising Star
This is VERY pleasurable if not abused. Most people report bad experiences because they think they need massive amounts of each. Harmalas bring an amazing spiritual (for lack of better word) quality to mushrooms. They add a level of depth and reflection and enhance light triggered hallucinations. Would not even consider doing mushrooms anymore without harmalas. Just don't be stupid.
Suggested experimental trip: 1g dried cubensis + 50mg harmine
- crush/powder mushrooms
- pour just enough lemon juice to cover mushrooms
- dissolve harmine
- let sit for 20 minutes
- stir into 1 cup (just below) boiling water
- add 2 tablespoons of honey and stir again
- drink
- enjoy
This is a good start. You'll notice a subtle, but enjoyable, difference. From here experiment with increasing the harmalas, using other harmalas and combos, and increasing the mushrooms.
Would love to hear more about this (with measurement details) from other people who have had positive experiences.
Suggested experimental trip: 1g dried cubensis + 50mg harmine
- crush/powder mushrooms
- pour just enough lemon juice to cover mushrooms
- dissolve harmine
- let sit for 20 minutes
- stir into 1 cup (just below) boiling water
- add 2 tablespoons of honey and stir again
- drink
- enjoy
This is a good start. You'll notice a subtle, but enjoyable, difference. From here experiment with increasing the harmalas, using other harmalas and combos, and increasing the mushrooms.
Would love to hear more about this (with measurement details) from other people who have had positive experiences.
Acolon do you know if McKenna was referring to mixing ayahuasca and mushrooms, or caapi alone with them?
My experiences combining Syrian Rue and caapi with mushrooms have been very profound, incredibly visionary, amazingly blissful, if at times quite confrontational, and WEIRD...
Three very common sense points I should mention, just based on personal experiences;
- don't mix different species of mushrooms together when doing this. It really seems to piss the mushroom gods off! My last non-MAOI Psilocybe cubensis/Copelandia cyanescens major intergalactic ass kicking session has dissuaded me from ever trying this again.
- don't mix Syrian Rue or caapi together. I had a really, really nasty pharma experience doing this. I think the DMT dose was too high, but I got the distinct impression that the two plants HATED each other, almost like they were jealous. Won't ever be trying that again (this has just been my personal experience).
- be careful with Rue. Don't take too much, maybe take an extract, and don't take too many mushrooms. I think a lowish dose of caapi, followed by a lowish dose of mushrooms, would be a good way of dipping a toe in here.
Still, Syrian Rue and mushrooms has twice taken me closer to a feeling of nirvana, far beyond the potential of any other psychedelic, or combination thereof. I have experienced visionary realms as deep as any as I've ever encountered on DMT. Once on this combo I also met my only entity so far, a shimmering bioluminescent octopus. On another occasion 50g caapi vine, 1g dried Copelandia cyanescens, and 250mg DMT freebase was consumed...which resulted in an incredibly powerful and beautiful experience. I've mixed these 3 before with incredible results previous to this...incredible, illuminated, earthy bliss (words just don't do that state justice). After the purge you’re laughing, it acts like a safety valve, and when you purge, you get everything out of your system, as well as the mental darkness. Up until this point, the trip can be slightly on the menacing side... :twisted:
That’s one of the advantages of working with caapi. Personally, I can NEVER purge on Rue, although it can make me extremely nauseous. I'm hoping polytrip will add his 2 cents here, but I think caapi and mushrooms would be the way to go, starting with low doses of both. I think this combination is very worthy of further exploration.
My experiences combining Syrian Rue and caapi with mushrooms have been very profound, incredibly visionary, amazingly blissful, if at times quite confrontational, and WEIRD...
Three very common sense points I should mention, just based on personal experiences;
- don't mix different species of mushrooms together when doing this. It really seems to piss the mushroom gods off! My last non-MAOI Psilocybe cubensis/Copelandia cyanescens major intergalactic ass kicking session has dissuaded me from ever trying this again.
- don't mix Syrian Rue or caapi together. I had a really, really nasty pharma experience doing this. I think the DMT dose was too high, but I got the distinct impression that the two plants HATED each other, almost like they were jealous. Won't ever be trying that again (this has just been my personal experience).
- be careful with Rue. Don't take too much, maybe take an extract, and don't take too many mushrooms. I think a lowish dose of caapi, followed by a lowish dose of mushrooms, would be a good way of dipping a toe in here.
Still, Syrian Rue and mushrooms has twice taken me closer to a feeling of nirvana, far beyond the potential of any other psychedelic, or combination thereof. I have experienced visionary realms as deep as any as I've ever encountered on DMT. Once on this combo I also met my only entity so far, a shimmering bioluminescent octopus. On another occasion 50g caapi vine, 1g dried Copelandia cyanescens, and 250mg DMT freebase was consumed...which resulted in an incredibly powerful and beautiful experience. I've mixed these 3 before with incredible results previous to this...incredible, illuminated, earthy bliss (words just don't do that state justice). After the purge you’re laughing, it acts like a safety valve, and when you purge, you get everything out of your system, as well as the mental darkness. Up until this point, the trip can be slightly on the menacing side... :twisted:
That’s one of the advantages of working with caapi. Personally, I can NEVER purge on Rue, although it can make me extremely nauseous. I'm hoping polytrip will add his 2 cents here, but I think caapi and mushrooms would be the way to go, starting with low doses of both. I think this combination is very worthy of further exploration.
Mushroom ayahuasca is as good as traditional ayahuasca. There´s hardly any difference between ayahuasca with mimosa and caapi taken with shrooms. Ayahuasca with psychotria is noticeably different though. Especially visually.
I have many, many good experiences with this combo and one less pleasant experience. It depends greatly on the types of shroom you´re using.
Some shrooms may have substances in them that feel toxic when you´ve taken caapi.
Copelandia cyanensis mixes very well with caapi. I can hardly imagine someone having a bad experience with that combo, if you take all the precaustions recommended in the posts above.
Try what this combo does to you with a moderate dose. Than you can make a fair estimation whether you like it and whether you´d like to take more next time.
I have many, many good experiences with this combo and one less pleasant experience. It depends greatly on the types of shroom you´re using.
Some shrooms may have substances in them that feel toxic when you´ve taken caapi.
Copelandia cyanensis mixes very well with caapi. I can hardly imagine someone having a bad experience with that combo, if you take all the precaustions recommended in the posts above.
Try what this combo does to you with a moderate dose. Than you can make a fair estimation whether you like it and whether you´d like to take more next time.
^^Interesting man that you have also found Copelandia cyanescens to be the best species in combination with caapi. I find this mushroom to produce the cleanest and most crystalline trip of the species I have tried. A large dose alone takes me somewhere VERY similar to DMT space these days, but with a smoother and calmer journey.
Be aware that caapi or MAOI's will amplify any toxic traits, as well as the character of different mushroom species. Psilocybe cubensis does contain hundreds of other chemicals as well as psilocybin and psilocin, some of which could be described as mycotoxins to some degree. Thus other species might be more suitable.
And I have said this before, but if there are any mushroom warriors out there that have only journeyed with Psilocybe cubensis...try other species, you may be in for a pleasant surprise...
Be aware that caapi or MAOI's will amplify any toxic traits, as well as the character of different mushroom species. Psilocybe cubensis does contain hundreds of other chemicals as well as psilocybin and psilocin, some of which could be described as mycotoxins to some degree. Thus other species might be more suitable.
And I have said this before, but if there are any mushroom warriors out there that have only journeyed with Psilocybe cubensis...try other species, you may be in for a pleasant surprise...
Bancopuma..have you tried psilocybe cyanescens?..and if so how do they compare to copelandia cyanescens?
I have only eaten lots of psilocybe cyanascens and psilocybe cubes..I love them both so much..but the cyans are stronger, where 3 grams of cyans are like a full on DMT breakthrough for me..very clean and clear.
I really want to try copelandias as well as liberty caps..and psilocybe cearulescens.
I have only eaten lots of psilocybe cyanascens and psilocybe cubes..I love them both so much..but the cyans are stronger, where 3 grams of cyans are like a full on DMT breakthrough for me..very clean and clear.
I really want to try copelandias as well as liberty caps..and psilocybe cearulescens.
didn't really read through the thread but have an experience to share.
Took 35g caapi (HQ white) with 2-2.25g of apparently pretty strong cubensis.
There was lots of nausea on the comeup and a purge at about 1:15
but the experience was very intense and logically so felt like halfway between pharmahuasca and shrooms alone.
The most interesting thing is that in terms of effects and intensity the experience was quite a bit stronger than 4.25g of cubensis!
Highly recommended as long as the dose is not too high, caapi + eighth would probably have been a 4+ experience for SWIM!
Took 35g caapi (HQ white) with 2-2.25g of apparently pretty strong cubensis.
There was lots of nausea on the comeup and a purge at about 1:15
but the experience was very intense and logically so felt like halfway between pharmahuasca and shrooms alone.
The most interesting thing is that in terms of effects and intensity the experience was quite a bit stronger than 4.25g of cubensis!
Highly recommended as long as the dose is not too high, caapi + eighth would probably have been a 4+ experience for SWIM!