A question regarding a "hyperslap"

[Revolted627]

So my question is about your experience with hyperslaps, but first heres a little background on why I am asking the question.

Ok so I am fairly new to DMT. The only method I've ever used is vaporizing freebase. I have done this under 10 times total. During this times I have only really had one negative experience, but it did not turn negative until after I came back from hyperspace and had some scary OEV's. While I was in hyperspace and seeing alien entities I was able to remain calm.

Now a couple of those times I feel like I vaped too much. Like 4 solid hits off a GVG too much. Rather than experiencing a hyperslap, I just lost all memory of what happened. It was not a fleeting memory like waking from a dream. There was just no memory at all. The only thing it left me with was a feeling of "something nuts just happen".

So for me (maybe I just don't have enough experience yet) but I feel like with freebase DMT there is a "sweet spot". Smoke too little and I won't breakthrough, too much and I won't remember a thing.

So in the form of a question, what are some of your experiences with hyperslaps and why do you think they occured (Vaped to much ect.)

 

[Gianluca]

Question..are you doing anything else besides the DMT ?

And how much DMT are you using??

 

[Revolted627]

The only things I do other than DMT are smoke cigs, occasionally drink alcohol, and shrooms. Unfortunately I have not been able to enjoy any shrooms in almost 12 months. I also stopped using alcohol for a 6 month period due to work and just recently started using it again. I never combine though if that's what you mean.

As far as how much DMT I am using. I've had about 5 experiences in the last 2 weeks. Each time I would put about 30-40mgs into my GVG and vape. Sometimes I would only take one hit and others I took 4.

 

[Gianluca]

Yeah, I was checking to see if you combine then..but since you don't...

Have you tried lowering the dosage? For me at least, 20-25mg is enough for a breakthrough.

Also, just from my experience, the whiter the dmt, the harder it is to remember the experience.

 

[anrchy]

I recommend starting low, like say 20mg, and then working up. All the while vaping all of your GVG's contents. Rather then dumping 40mg in and blindly vaporizing. Which is fine, but I personally think you will gain more when you are dosing the amount that you carefully planned out.

Also, just from my experience, the whiter the dmt, the harder it is to remember the experience.

Not sure exactly what you think is happening but IMO this has nothing to do with having a more pure product.

As far as how much DMT I am using. I've had about 5 experiences in the last 2 weeks. Each time I would put about 30-40mgs into my GVG and vape. Sometimes I would only take one hit and others I took 4.

If one wanted to, but shouldn't, you would be able to vape all 40mg in one inhalation. THis is not recommended. I would work on finding your sweet spot. Like I said start with 20mg and stay below 30mg. Unless you find 30 to be not quite there.

I find it easier to breakthrough now. All it takes is 15mg sometimes, but 20mg def works. The best bet is to vaporize the entire dose in one hit. Rather than taking multiple small hits. Try that with 20-25mg

 

[dreamer042]

Most assuredly there is a "sweet spot" with the molecule. As you experienced too much tends to be a blackout, no memory, great description really "something nuts just happened" sums it up perfectly. I feel that people often disregard the profound beauty and healing that can be experienced with lower doses and place far too much emphasis on getting breakthroughs and seeing entities and that kind of expectation detracts from taking the medicine for what it is and experiencing fully what it does offer you.

The Hyperslap is something of an altogether different order. It is the most traumatic experience possible, truly what one could deem "hell". It is the full force and weight of hyperspace in the worst possible way. It will quite literally rip everything you are to shreds and leave you a tattered mess weeping on the floor. Put simply it's no joke and something you don't ever want to have to encounter.

It seems it most often occurs when people try to push their luck with the molecule. You tend to get very clear messages when you are overindulging or not approaching with the correct intentions. If you continue to press your luck whatever that intelligence is will make it's point very very clearly.

Here's to responsible respectful use and never having to find out the hard way.

 

[Revolted627]

I recommend starting low, like say 20mg, and then working up. All the while vaping all of your GVG's contents. Rather then dumping 40mg in and blindly vaporizing. Which is fine, but I personally think you will gain more when you are dosing the amount that you carefully planned out.

This make sense to me now. When I first started I would just put a new 30 - 40mg dose on each time. (Im using the ceramic filter in the "bye Bye Chore Boy" post. The first time I melted the spice into the filter. Every other time I had to just pile it on top because there was still spice in there and I didnt want to burn it. I was worried about not having enough so I just kept putting more on each time. Now that I am out of spice I found out that there are still several doses left inside the filter. So I do need to practice and learn how to vape it all each time.

It seems it most often occurs when people try to push their luck with the molecule. You tend to get very clear messages when you are overindulging or not approaching with the correct intentions. If you continue to press your luck whatever that intelligence is will make it's point very very clearly.

I think the molecule has already hinted to me to slow down. I will comply with its request because I do not want to experience hell.

Here's to responsible respectful use and never having to find out the hard way. Smile

Yes indeed. Thank you for your kind words

 

[adam]

I agree with dreamer here, we need to get away from this concept of a breakthrough. That concept has done nothing but hurt me really. My best experiences were when I used low doses with no preconceptions of what I was supposed to experience. It's really about learning to work cooperatively with the molecule then just using it to get you somewhere IMO.

 

[Revolted627]

I agree with dreamer here, we need to get away from this concept of a breakthrough. That concept has done nothing but hurt me really. My best experiences were when I used low doses with no preconceptions of what I was supposed to experience. It's really about learning to work cooperatively with the molecule then just using it to get you somewhere IMO.

adam and dreamer, I really like this and I'll tell you why. Before I had any real experiences with DMT I did a lot of research on the nexus. I read experience report after report and I started to get expectations. Well I noticed on my first good dose the molecule had a way of bringing all my expectations to the surface so that the molecule and I could see them. It made me feel silly for even thinking I knew what to expect. It said to me "You're in my house now, I run this show".

So yes all these experience reports are awesome in one aspect because you can relate to fellow travelers. I do think however that a first timer would be better off to not read a hundred reports and assume he/she has got it all figured out.

 

[Felnik]

I second the low dose concept . I don't understand
This concept or belief that you have to go balls out
Right out of the gate . I think it's insane and I say that from
Mucho experience . Once you get slapped everything changes.

A new level of respect arises and extreme caution especially
About dose . You can get to a deep breakthrough just as well by slowly
Ramping up the dose especially with caapi in the mix .
There are many advantages to the slow ramp up one of wich is testing the waters
As you go . Sometimes you can get a feel for what the vibe of the thing is
Going to be before full commitment . I actually cringe at the thought
Of taking giant multiple rips of this stuff without any experience .
And yes there is a blackout point . And as far as the hyper slap is concerned
It's beyond anything you can imagine or even put into words . It was the single
Most terrifying thing that I've ever experienced in my life hands down. The power
Of this stuff is beyond all human comprehension . If it's happened to you
Then you know exactly what I'm saying here .

The sweet spot for me typically envolves the presence of caapi in some
Form , leaf or tea . It's a game changer for sure and it's the synergy between
The 2 elements dmt/maoi preferably ayahuasca in some form that allows the
Whole thing to unfold . If you study the hyper slap it' usually
Envolves alcohol , other drugs , bad setting , and careless dosing + inexperience
And simple underestimation of the potential power of this .

 

[○]

And as far as the hyper slap is concerned It's beyond anything you can imagine or even put into words . It was the single most terrifying thing that I've ever experienced in my life hands down. The power of this stuff is beyond all human comprehension . If it's happened to you then you know exactly what I'm saying here .

And simple underestimation of the potential power of this .

Mmhmm.

 

[Gianluca]

Also, just from my experience, the whiter the dmt, the harder it is to remember the experience.

Not sure exactly what you think is happening but IMO this has nothing to do with having a more pure product.

Just from some of my readings (on other forums) there have been people mentioning that the whiter DMT usually is that the more crazier it can get,but the less you remember. Just in my few experiences that has been true. Might be coincidence. I'm in no way trying to argue you about it,but just letting you know what I heard.

I could of sworn Mckenna mentioned something like that as well,but I could def be wrong.

 

[anrchy]

McKenna also did not use a gvg.

I have 3, previously 4, different shades of DMT. Yellow/tannish, yellow, and off white (mix of fluffy and very slightly yellow).

Now my experience is subjective as I have no research to claim any facts, but I can tell you from my own experience two things.

1) white dmt creates more dense vapor and seems to take longer to vape the same amount as opposed to more yellow dmt.

2) blackouts occur from overload, or too much dmt. Sometimes other drugs are involved. The difference between yellow and white dmt in content is so small that your still basic ally getting the same amount mg to mg.


Not remembering and blackout are two different things. You can have a dmt experience and not remember it all or only remember some of it or none. If you dosed 25mg or less you could say this, was the case.

Blackouts occur with higher doses, or not if your particularly sensitive to Dmt. Blackouts can be the entire experience too or only part of it. I would say that if you have no recollection of the beginning or the entire thing, after taking a larger dose, you had a blackout.

It's just like alcohol. Your memory can be fuzzy or parts can be missing. But when you blackout you know you blacked out.

 

[Warrior]

I don't mean to contradict what anyone has said about the hyperslap, and how brutal it is, but I want to put something on the table for consideration.

The pain, or nausea of life is different for everybody. Think of Vincent van Gogh. Everyone cringes at the ear thing, and the shooting himself and bleeding out for two days thing... I feel like I can personally relate to him. For some people, physical pain is not such a terrible thing. You don't want it, and it's not ever fun or tolerable, but physical pain is NOTHING compared to mental anguish. Mental pain trumps physical pain.

Having said that, mental pain is something many people LIVE with. They find a way not to, literally, kill themselves and carry on, and carry on again, and keep carrying on until at some point their body gives up on them later in life. They are living their everyday lives as if they had just been hyperslapped.

Now, I've experienced the full ferocity of the hyperslap. Yes, it was the full terror bit, with meltdown and everything. But afterwards, when the drug wears off, I believe some people have it in them to pick themselves up by the bootstraps and keep going, (like walking off a sports injury). Sometimes there needs to be some healing time, but for the most part, getting hyperslapped isn't the end of the world. It doesn't last as long as a miserable life existence... In that sense, it is MUCH more tolerable than life itself--for some people.

This is just a theory I've been kicking around. It's not something I mean to put out as a bragging right. I wish I were a happier person. When I'm not feeling fully on top of my game every task of every day of my life feels like a dive into ice water. And I have to dive into ice water over and over again all day until the clock says I can go to bed again. There is some interesting research surrounding the anterior cingulate cortex as a modulator of this 'existential pain threshold.' It turns out that everyone is tuned a little differently. Some people are born with more grit than others. Some people literally FEEL more pain, but also have the tenacity to keep pushing through it.

Food for thought. My apologies for interrupting without contributing more directly.



Edit: Adding some links to support my claims a little.

Interesting aside note, this notion of having an 'existential pain threshold' seems to imply that the individual in question is actually feeling the pain of the world. Yes, what I mean is that when empathetic pain for others is too high, you are absorbing negative energy from other people in an abstract way. I think experiencing the hyperslap means experiencing exactly that. You are experiencing the collective pain of the infinite.

The neural basis of empathy - PubMed

Empathy--the ability to share the feelings of others--is fundamental to our emotional and social lives. Previous human imaging studies focusing on empathy for others' pain have consistently shown activations in regions also involved in the direct pain experience, particularly anterior insula and...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Existential neuroscience: a functional magnetic resonance imaging investigation of neural responses to reminders of one's mortality - PubMed

A considerable body of evidence derived from terror management theory indicates that the awareness of mortality represents a potent psychological threat engendering various forms of psychological defense. However, extant research has yet to examine the neurological correlates of cognitions about...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[freerad]

I think experiencing the hyperslap means experiencing exactly that. You are experiencing the collective pain of the infinite.
When i think "hyperslap", i think of being taught a lesson for some sort of egotistical "mistake"....like disrespecting your teacher....

When i think of "experiencing the collective pain of the infinite", (or the species, perhaps?), i think of the inevitable journey the empath must travel.

 

[Warrior]

When i think "hyperslap", i think of being taught a lesson for some sort of egotistical "mistake"....like disrespecting your teacher....

When i think of "experiencing the collective pain of the infinite", (or the species, perhaps?), i think of the inevitable journey the empath must travel.

But what is learning anyways? Learning is believed to be a process of neural plasticiy. What drives neural plasticity? New experience. What is new experience? New experience is something that catches our attention. The strongest form of new experience is experienced as a state of profound discomfort (i.e. what gay sex is for the extreme right-winger). Why? Because it challenges us to be most flexible, and bend our beliefs to something we previously did not believe.

I like to believe there is some form of intelligence we can reach with psychedelics, but is it what we think of as intelligence now? Maybe it's just our remaining cognitive faculties discovering our own belief systems don't make logical sense? That self-realization would be a very painful one if it contradicted everything you currently understand about yourself and the world, wouldn't it? It would be the ultimate form of discomfort, the ultimate hyperslap.

 

[Joshua2112]

I have only had a handful of breakthroughs but the ones I don't remember at all happened when I had consumed too much booze to give me the liquid courage to get passed the pre flight fear. However all my breakthrough experiences take on the quality of a dream of sorts after returning. I don't truly "remember" how awe inspiring it is till I'm back in hyperspace and while I'm there it's like holy fuck I'm here why didn't I remember this part the last time. I have had only 4 breakthroughs I remember but was in the same "place" each time by the way. Not sure if my hazy memory experiences are making sense but I've just assumed I haven't mastered total recall. Just wish I had a wider variety of experiences, or maybe I have but I'm not remembering? My sitters say I'm out, eyes closed and making vocalizations like I'm having the time of my life but I always come back remembering the same hi def digital pocket universe/ room.

 

[Revolted627]

However all my breakthrough experiences take on the quality of a dream of sorts after returning. I don't truly "remember" how awe inspiring it is till I'm back in hyperspace and while I'm there it's like holy fuck I'm here why didn't I remember this part the last time.

I have had very similar experiences to this a few times. The more I go there the better I am at remembering some details, but it is still difficult. But what I was talking about at the beginning of this discussion was definitely blackouts.

Not remembering and blackout are two different things. You can have a dmt experience and not remember it all or only remember some of it or none. If you dosed 25mg or less you could say this, was the case.

Blackouts occur with higher doses, or not if your particularly sensitive to dmt. Blackouts can be the entire experience too or only part of it. I would say that if you have no recollection of the beginning or the entire thing, after taking a larger dose, you had a blackout.

I know these two experiences I had were blackouts, and I figured out how I was accidentally dosing too high. I have a mg rated scale so I was measuring out all my doses, what I did not account for was the residual dmt still left in the ceramic disk. After 5 or so blastoffs there was a large amount left over, I know this because since I have run out of dimitri I have still been able to breakthrough 2 times with the left overs in the GVG.

Last thing I would like to say is please vote for me to become a full member. I would like to be able to post in other sub forums and share my knowledge on topics like mushroom cultivation. Thank you