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Acacia Acuminata - First Run

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Sereniti

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SWIM is about to embark on their first try at extracting spice from Acacia Acuminata, but has a few questions they were hoping might be able to be answered.

Is it best to harvest bark from just one tree, or do a little amount from several trees ? AA are very numerous where SWIM lives, and SWIM would like to minimize damage done to the trees.

Does it matter from where on the tree the bark is harvested from ?

Should the bark be dried fully before use, or is it ok to go for it pretty much straight away ?

SWIM is planning on following the dmt handbook tek, but is wondering how much the process will smell. SWIM lives in a pretty small apartment so doesn't want to stink out the block and make his neighbours wonder whats going on. (SWIM was planning to use 500g of bark, but would be happy to use less if needed)
 
Welcome Sereniti!!

It will be interesting to see what results you get as I've yet to hear of someone using Acuminata. If there is plenty of them in you area I would simply harvest from a single tree, even small cuttings can cause infections so may as well harm as few as possible. You usually want to harvest from as far down the tree as possible, the root bark (underneath the soil) supposedly has the highest concentration. There's no difference in yield whether you dry it or not, but drying it out in the sun for a week or two makes grinding allot easier - though I'd suggest cutting the bark into 1 inch pieces before drying it. The initial acid cooks can tend to stink the place up a bit so my best suggestion would be to duck tape around your door. Also there's no harm following what the handbook outlines and using 2kg of bark, that way you'll get a better idea of the yield from Acuminata in comparison to the norm.

Good luck, any questions just ask.
 
Thanks for the advice smokeydaze, much appreciated.

SWIM went for acuminata as they read a post on a popular australian ethnobotany site which stated a dmt content of 1.5% in the leaves and up to 3% in the bark. Those numbers seem kind of high to SWIM, but heres hoping !

The issue of 'root' bark - would just taking the foot of bark immediately above the ground be OK? (i don't own a shovel :) )

In terms of drying the bark, could an oven be used at a low temperature to speed up the drying process, or would that cause degradation of the dmt in the bark ?

SWIM plans on doing the acid cook late at night, so hopefully their neighbours won't notice the smell at that time. Does the smell permeate the room for days afterwards though ? (SWIM has a rent inspection soon and fears their landlord may not take kindly to a acidic smelling apartment.)
 
Yea the first foot is fine. I've never dried in the oven but I couldn't see why that wouldn't work. I wouldn't worry too much, the smell goes away fairly quickly, just keep all the windows open and you should be good.
 
I don't believe you will get any crystals from phyllode extractions, it is +1 % and sustainable compared to bark but its jungle honey. Better off getting material in the middle of summer, bark should yield 1.5% and upwards depending on source material and advanced extraction technique.
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No need to get root bark, normal bark is fine. Find a downed tree blown over in the winter storms.
2kg extract is far too big & bulky, better off with 500g batches, its going to yield 5+ g without trouble.
 
Interesting, so you've extracted from it before with great success Fable?? Why do you say in the middle of summer and what do you mean by advanced extraction techniques?
 
Collected the bark today (SWIM couldn't find any downed trees though :( ) and will be doing the extraction over the weekend.

Will be back with the results in a couple of days.
 
SWIM did the extraction last night, everything seemed to go well, though they forgot to scale down the amount of shellite to use, and ended up using an excess amout (about 50% more than necessary). As a result, the shellite mix wasnt very cloudy when it was put in the freezer (think more clearish but with a distinct yellow tinge). A quick look in the freezer 8 hours later shows definate crystal formation, but SWIM wonders if the excess amount of shellite may not allow all the dmt to precipitate out.

SWIM was wondering if they should remove the shellite/dmt from the freezer and allow some to evaporate before putting in back in, or whether they should wait a couple of days, retrieve the crystals that have formed and then evaporate the remaing shellite ?
 
Success! Good stuff. Excess shellite is definitely an issue when trying to precipitate. I for one make enhanced leaf so I don't even bother precipitating I simply evaporate straight after extraction. This yields allot higher as included in the goo is the oils, which are active, and I don't think absolutely all the DMT precipitates when you put it in the freezer anyway no matter how diluted it is, though I could be wrong. So really it's up to you, you could leave it in for an extra day then pour off the shellite and evaporate half and scrape up what was in the bowl, or melt the crystals back into the shellite then evaporate half, or just evaporate all of it. Let us know what happens..
 
SWIM decied to leave it in the freezer for another day, then decant the shellite solution to another receptacle (and evap that) and then scrape up their crystals from the freeze precipitation. Ended up with this :




Should they be worried about the discoloration at all ? - think a tiny amount of the basified bark tea solution may have come across with the shellite solution

Overall though, pretty happy with how it all went. Will be interesting to see if anything is still in the shellite solution.

thanks for your advice with this - it helped SWIM a lot.
 
Very nice!! Got any scales?

It's hard to tell, if you think some went in then it's probably that though it does just look like yellow tint from the oils. I'll usually let it sit for a little bit after extracting to allow any basified solution to settle at the bottom. If you worried you could just re-crystallize the discolored areas. It'll be interesting to see what's left over though.

Is this you're first time with DMT, how are you planning to smoke it? Check out the this thread if you haven't already..
 
Yield appears to be 3.3g so far... Assuming theres still some dmt in solution (how long does around 800ml of shellite take to evap. ?)then it looks like a decent yield for a first time extraction :)

SWIM has done dmt a couple of times before, though never in doses which have resulted in a breakthrough experience. SWIM plans on using the dmt to make dmt enhanced leaf (they went and bought some damiana today) so that link you provided will prove very useful... cheers !
 
It certainly does, if you put a fan over it around 2-4 hours before no scent of shellite is left. Are you planning to evaporate a portion and put it back in the freezer or just evaporate all of it. You may as well evap all, which should yield decent, and make that into enhanced while maybe only enhancing some of the crystal and leaving some to smoke by itself and some for eating (in conjunction with syrian rue) ;)

I'd also recommend calea or pau darco, both very good. Keep us updated!
 
The plan was to evap all of it - just worried about how long it will take as the shellite smell is causing some worry about what the neighbours may think. Is there a safe way to speed up the evap. process ?

The bowl was allowed to drip dry upside down for 15 mins, then a fan blown over the crystals for an hour before being scraping them up and putting them in a airtight container. SWIM couldnt smell shellite after that time, just a organic plant-esque smell which they thought was caused by the residual plant oils. Should they have waited longer?

Is there any danger to smoking some of the crystal as is, or would a recrystallization be in order to be on the safe side. Don't need to be on the 6 o clock news tomorrow :)
 
smokeydaze said:
Interesting, so you've extracted from it before with great success Fable?? Why do you say in the middle of summer and what do you mean by advanced extraction techniques?
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😉 Apparently the plant material harvested in Summer has a higher yield of tryptamines. And by advanced I mean spending more time pulverising/powdering the plant material, acid washing material 3 times & reducing & filtering, using 10% toluene in the shellite mix (split in 3 portions, extracted thrice), salting out the remaining solution, leave in freezer for 7 days. Etc
I have seen 1% on basic extractions, 1.5% on "advanced" extractions and have heard reports from different populations of trees @ 2.5 - 3.5% which puts acuminata at the top of the list as the strongest source.


Sereniti - Nice work by the way on your fruitful experiments, what were your approximate yields?
 
Fable said:
Sereniti - Nice work by the way on your fruitful experiments, what were your approximate yields?
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500g of bark was used, and so far there is 3.3g of crystals from the freeze precipitation (48 hours in freezer), and the remaining shellite solution is currently being evaporated to see if/what yield remains in that.

Fable said:
@ 2.5 - 3.5% which puts acuminata at the top of the list as the strongest source.
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howdy, ive been watching all the chatter about a acuminata and am keen to try my own extraction as im in wa, the land of the magic wattle. my only problem is i can't get a positive id. I drive around looking for wattles, ive found plenty. im just not sure if its the right one.. i currently have 2kilo bark from some kind of acacia tree, not sure what one.. im thinking about just starting an extraction and seeing what i get, im keen that ill get some result..

does anyone have some high quality photos of the plants structure? Leaves, Flowers, branches.. i want to be 100% that im playing with the right thing.. if what im thinking is it is actually it.. bring on some lucid states. :D

any replys are appreciated, and wd on your first extraction. lookign beautiful ;D
 
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