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Acacia acuminata / obtusifolia / courtii phyllode use and culture

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grollum said:
:) thanks for the infos.

where did you get the broad vs. narrow phyllode content difference info from? is it in the analysis thread?

I just wanted a rough info on how much material is needed to get something active. just for my imagination ;)
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Yup, endlessness' analysis thread
 
Maybe a push back to my initial question.

Who has experience, or heard of someone who has experience with using acacia phyllodes in a brew? I so far couldn't find any real reports. Any hints/links ?
 
endlessness said:
I have a 3 year old acacia acuminata growing in a big pot in europe.. Maybe at the end of summer I will collect some leaves and try to do an analysis on it, see what is the alkaloid profile..

Good luck! :)
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That is what I wanted to hear :).
 
I've had mixed results from acacia acu. Over 20 or so extractions from different trees I have found that I get anywhere from 0.4% to 0.01% and usually maintain something below 0.1% which has forced to extract in bulk (bark & phyllodes produced much the same result so I chose the one with less oils). This has led my to infer a few things that maybe responsible with my very very limited knowledge of biology... Trees produce less DMT depending on their environment soil, temp, sunlight.
 
Emptiness said:
I've had mixed results from acacia acu. Over 20 or so extractions from different trees I have found that I get anywhere from 0.4% to 0.01% and usually maintain something below 0.1% which has forced to extract in bulk (bark & phyllodes produced much the same result so I chose the one with less oils). This has led my to infer a few things that maybe responsible with my very very limited knowledge of biology... Trees produce less DMT depending on their environment soil, temp, sunlight.
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Did you do any notes? Would be cool to get an idea of what maybe made your extracts differ.
 
Where did you you guys get acacia seeds, i was thinking about ordering from ebay but i am not sure if it is legal, does anyone have experience with ordering acacia seeds from ebay in EU.
 
I think that is something which should not been discussed here. Both should be easily solvable with google quite fast.
 
pitubo said:
It is okay to talk about it.

2.14 Only talk about sources for live plants and seeds
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In this case sorry for my misinformation. I think if the seeds are not illegal in your country. And I think they are legal (better check) in Croatia it should be no problem to order from ebay. Also ordering seeds directly from Australia is quite fast cause they mostly send them via airmail if you not take huge amounts.
 
I got some acacia acuminata seeds, narrow phyllode variety from a vendor on ebay uk. They came with a gemination aid, gibberilic acid I think, and instructions. Most germinated and about half of those seedlings survived to become small plants. Ill let you know what a brew's like in about 5 years time! Going to keep most in a greenhouse, but will also try some outdoors in various locations in the uk.
 
grollum said:
Emptiness said:
I've had mixed results from acacia acu. Over 20 or so extractions from different trees I have found that I get anywhere from 0.4% to 0.01% and usually maintain something below 0.1% which has forced to extract in bulk (bark & phyllodes produced much the same result so I chose the one with less oils). This has led my to infer a few things that maybe responsible with my very very limited knowledge of biology... Trees produce less DMT depending on their environment soil, temp, sunlight.
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Did you do any notes? Would be cool to get an idea of what maybe made your extracts differ.
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That is what I am saying, what made my extracts differ was that my extractions led my to infer a few things that maybe responsible with my very very limited knowledge of biology... These acacia trees produce less DMT depending on their environment soil, temp, sunlight. My extraction methods are good, I understand everything that is going on and have been doing it for a long time. The only other things that may effect it was either 1) bark not being powdered but more like sand, grainy or fibrous (shouldn't mater that much). 2) room temperature being 10c higher in summer extractions vs winter but I do extra naphtha pulls so it shouldn't effect it that much.

Also, I remember from reading the acacia thread that the age of the plant effects DMT content mostly in bark. Young trees have very little DMT in their bark with high fat/oil content.
 
Emptiness said:
That is what I am saying, what made my extracts differ was that my extractions led my to infer a few things that maybe responsible with my very very limited knowledge of biology... These acacia trees produce less DMT depending on their environment soil, temp, sunlight. My extraction methods are good, I understand everything that is going on and have been doing it for a long time. The only other things that may effect it was either 1) bark not being powdered but more like sand, grainy or fibrous (shouldn't mater that much). 2) room temperature being 10c higher in summer extractions vs winter but I do extra naphtha pulls so it shouldn't effect it that much.

Also, I remember from reading the acacia thread that the age of the plant effects DMT content mostly in bark. Young trees have very little DMT in their bark with high fat/oil content.
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I didn't mean notes about the extraction tec, but notes about the time, region, size, age and so on of the material providing plants.

In general it maybe would be a good idea to have something like a database for statistics about potency of extracts in combination with a description and categorization of the used plant material.
 
lil update. My friend got acuminata normal phyllode and narrow phyllode as well as obtusifolia seeds growing quite well and fast at the windowsill in the rainy middle europe.

All plants are around 5 cm tall. Lets see which one grows fastest or builds up most phyllode material in shortest time... I will ask him for some pics...
 
Acuminata phyllodes is wonderful as tea, so gentle which for DMT is a good thing!

0.1% in winter is common, in spring the phyllodes (narrow or broad) can go to 1.5%, 0.5-1% is common.

People in the Perth aya community like to use about 12-15g of the broad phyllode in their brews, but most people I know seem to like 15-25g better!
 
chocobeastie said:
Acuminata phyllodes is wonderful as tea, so gentle which for DMT is a good thing!

0.1% in winter is common, in spring the phyllodes (narrow or broad) can go to 1.5%, 0.5-1% is common.

People in the Perth aya community like to use about 12-15g of the broad phyllode in their brews, but most people I know seem to like 15-25g better!
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Thats the comment i was waiting for so long :).

Thank you!

Any experiences with obtusifolia?
I think the plants of my friend will not be so potent since they are grown under not perfect conditions. But who knows...

edit: and are you talking about dried or fresh phyllodes?
 
I just found this info on julianpalmerism.com
For example, Acacia Acuminata could be dosed at 12-25 grams, rarer weaker batches may require 30-40 grams or more. Ayahuasca Vine normally is sufficient at 60-100g when combined with DMT admixture plants, but some vine may be stronger and even 30-60g may only be required and some may require 200 dried grams. I consider it important that the ayahuasca and admixture are combined and “married” in the pot, rather than separated. So for example, a general good ratio would be 20 grams of Acacia Acuminata and 100 grams of dried Caapi vine brewed together, which taken together would be a very strong dose. 2/3rd’s of that would be strong to medium dose and half of that should be medium to mild and 1/3rd of that or 30ml should be quite mild.
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LINK

Using another search engine from time to time is a good idea....
 
My friend just told me that he got his hands on some Acacia courtii
It seems also really promising regarding the potency of the phyllodes...

Seems a bit harder to grow...
 
Extractions were performed on the bark and the leaves, separately.

Obtusifolia - Bark active at ~0.5%. Leaves inactive.

Longifolia - Inactive

Sophorae - Inactive

Positive samples were then tested for purity.

Obtusifolia - 98% DMT, 2% related alkaloids.


This is the extent of my Acacia research thus far. Perhaps it has some value here
 
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