Botany Acacia and Mimosa Identification Thread

[Voluntus Filius]

Not sure if this is the correct section if not can it be moved. I am having troubles identifying these 2 acacias. They are from the northern rivers NSW region of Australia. if anyone local or not has an idea that would be great. Ive used a few dichotomous keys to no avail if anyone knows a good tool for identification that would be great. Thnx in the advance.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

so i am now an acacian-in-training.
i found what i suspect is retinodes, it was found at sea-level (or close to it) unlike every other acacia found thus far.

is my suspicion of retinodes correct? (southwestern maui)

 

[acacian]

hey Parshvik

Sorry I'm not sure what your tree is but i'm sure its not retinodes...retinodes only has a single main vein and yours appears to have 2 or more and also has differen't shaped phyllodes..

I was actually thinking your tree looked remarkably similar to acacia confusa, though the phyllodes look perhaps a little too long (and more banana shaped) and i haven't seen enough photos of confusa's pods either to know them well. are those more ball flowers going down the stem beginning to form? I wonder if it is related...very interesting tree anyways are you planning on testing it? love how the phyllodes all curl in the same direction spiralling around the stem.. very psychedelic looking tree

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

are those more ball flowers going down the stem beginning to form? I wonder if it is related...very interesting tree anyways are you planning on testing it? love how the phyllodes all curl in the same direction spiralling around the stem.. very psychedelic looking tree

i believe the brownish balls in the foreground were actually dead flowers.

but yes, the phyllodes were very uniform in their spiral and shape.

there was a downward facing branch that looked almost TOO perfect to be natural.

very cool stuff...

i guess i will extract it regardless of what species it is :d

 

[sandman203]

Hey guys went for another massive walk around my home town and found some awesomely maidenii-esque acacias. Was looking for an ID thanks!

Tree 1:

Tree 2:

Tree 3:

Tree 4:

Thanks in advance!

 

[acacian]

other than the last they all look like variants of acacia floribunda.. the flowers on the first pic are a little tighter than most floribunda.. I would lean towards floribunda rather than maidenii purely because of the abundance of flower rods.. it would be good to see some close up pictures of the phyllodes. floribunda is a varable species which often has differing taxanomic features from area to area.. especially in the phyllodes. maidenii tends to have shorter and more sparsely arranged flowers though the phyllodes are quite variable.. the last tree i'm not sure on sorry... apart from the cream coloured flowers it looks quite similar to acacia longifolia (usually bright yellow), though the phyllodes seem a little to narrow and don't like leathery enough... i'll leave that for someone else to chime in on..

 

[nen888]

..you're doing a fantastic job acacian:d ..! i can just kick back and relax..ha,ha..but when i have a chance i'll go through the last few pages..i agree with your diagnoses as far as i can see..

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

¿que esta?

 

[wedera]

hey! Usually acacias are hard to identify because they all look pretty much the same.
But as far as I know this isn't mimosa hostilis (jurema preta). It seems to be Acacia podalyriifolia, which is from Australia.

 

[wedera]

The second pic, I mean.

 

[nen888]

..Voluntus Filius..first one is Acacia fimbriata..a lovely fragrant tree..
no DMT, just phenethylamines..check Trying to Improve Acacia Info INDEX

and hi wedera..you're right about the 2nd..

 

[DreaMTripper]

Hello people what a great thread this!
Can anyone help me out with these?
Im guessing the last 2 pictures are of Floribunda because of the narrow phylodes and abundant flowers and the middle are maidenii? No idea what the others are!

 

[acacian]

found these growing up in NSW a while ago in the new england area... both growing next to each other. both no basal gland either ... beginning to think there may be many more species in section julifloreae without basal glands

 

[nen888]

^..acacian..i would say that species is within the Acacia concurrens complex>p17 Acacia Info thread here
DreaMTripper..the 1st isn't floribunda as it has ball not rod flowers..the 2nd is probably A. dealbata..haven't got time for the rest yet..

..Acacias are a complex field within botany..
there are presently officially 1380 species worldwide! (around 1000 in australia)
section Juliflora (mentioned by acacian, which contains A. maidenni and phlebophylla) has 255 species..

there are two approaches relevant to this forum:
1) if mainly accessing tryptamines is the key focus, it is best to research (via the Trying to Improve Acacia Info thread) and other sources) which species are confirmed, and then attempt to find specifically these species..a number are very common, and many are available from nurseries or seed is available..
2) if acacias in general are the interest (as in my case, though tryptamines began this interest) then welcome to a long and ongoing learning curve which will fill a lifetime of study..a basic understanding of botanical terminology is needed, and some good references e.g. Flora of Australia Volume 11A, and 11B, Mimosaceae Acacia

..in Africa and Asia general local botany books should suffice as there are less species..

the visual language of plants is an ancient heritage we have become disjunct from, and beginning to learn again..

 

[DreaMTripper]

Understood, my interests are a bit of both and after starting this search Im discovering such beauty, colour, depth and intricacy , just like a dmt trip and its changing how I look at the world I live in and reality in general, just like a dmt trip! In fact I believe the dmt trip is like the beginning of a proper dialogue with these plants so I want to research more about thier physical prescence in our world then smoke their gift of teleportation crystals and visit them in thier hyperspace worlds.
There is a young interesting acacia up my street that has xmas tree type phylodes and spikey long ones as if its deciding.

Will get better pictures and learn some terminology thanks for looking and assessing my photos.

 

[DreaMTripper]

Ok so here are the pictures of my findings from yesterday, the grey-green type actually have pale yellow/mustard flowers as you can see, I also discovered yet another species living on the perimeter of the others (of which there are many, possibly hundreds including the baby plants, also much dead wood and alas a possible butchering of one by a path as can be seen in one of the last pictures )

So to summarise..

1 and 2 are of the same tree in an isolated spot, mearnsii esque but not an abundance of flowers which is strange as it gets all day sun..
3 is different
4 and 5 are the same in the concentrated area. 5 shows the ball of shit type thing (no disrespect meant I actually thought it was bat shit at first) at closer inspection looks like a fruit of some kind.
6 and 10 is interesting indeed with the white star shaped flowers, maybe not an acacia at all but seemed to be invasive and living off fallen trees and deadwood..
7 is yet another type living on the perimeter of the above.. Acacia pycnantha??
8 is clearly a tree entity (as they all are!) apologies I should have rotated it before posting :roll:
9 not sure which/where this is from! Notice the reddy brown 'mouth'
11 and 12 the pale/mustardy type flowers and grey-dark green phyllodes. Ok so after a quick search I conclude this is almost definitely a.dealbata
14 is the possible evidence of bark stripping. Can this also happen naturally?

ps How do i write between the attachments?

 

[Super]

Hey guys could someone possibly identify this acacia please. And the tryptamine alkaloid content if that's possible, Thanks.

 

[DreaMTripper]

Hey, close ups needed but start on worldwidewattle at deabalta or mearnsii it looks similar but Im a noob id'er too..

 

[DreaMTripper]

Hey, close ups needed but start on worldwidewattle at deabalta or mearnsii it looks similar but Im a noob id'er too..

 

[acacian]

hey DreamTripper... in order I think your trees are:

1/2. Paraserianthes lophantha
3. Acacia Retinodes (or possibly Saligna?...)
4/5. Acacia Decurrens
6. not sure sorry but not an acacia
7. again.. either acacia retinodes or saligna.. i have trouble distinguishing between these two but from what I gather retinodes has slightly shorter phyllodes, more red stems and perhaps slightly paler ball flowers (in some specimens anyway) which cluster together on rods rather than the more sparse arrangement on Saligna. they are incredibly similar looking species
8/9. Acacia Paradoxa
11/12. Acacia Baileyana
.. last photo is Acacia Pycnantha

Super .. looks like you have Acacia Dealbata there