Botany Acacia and Mimosa Identification Thread

[pablokabute]

nen, you are a piece of work!! this is an awesome thread, been reading a lots of stuffs here too. what interests me a lot about this specific acacia is that it is found in nearly all of the malls' parking lots under the biggest mall franchise here in the philippines, called SM.

lots of specimen i tell you... 5meodmt, hmmm.. perhaps i need to find another candidate for some ayahuasca-analogue?


thanks nen. you're cool.

 

[austra]

Hi,
Just wondering if someone could help me with an acacia from south east Queensland?
Large tree maybe 5m tall. Rough grey fibrous bark, mottled white to grey young branches. Phyloddes fine hairs 5-15cm long 1 to 3cm wide. F flowers beginning April yellow cream, brush like cylindrical. Gland 1cm from base of phylode.
I'm thinking acacia acradenia. Found in big city park, many dead branches .
Thanks so much

Pics to come

 

[nen888]

..^could be Acacia cincinatta or spirobis, austra, will need to see pods to ID..

Fronnis wrote:

I have recently been in contact with a friendly Australian who has access to the bark, stems and foliage of some fallen trees suspected to be Acacia acuminata, and he says he wouldn't mind to share.
I've heard from reports that the bark from dead trees do not tend to yield much. Can anyone here verify this?

..depends how long it's been dead and if it's rained heaps..a few weeks dead no problem; a few months without much rain still maybe ok; more than a few months on tree/or lots of rain = probably washed away..
phyllodes do seem to keep a bit longer..
if the bark/phyllodes have been harvested and stored away from moisture they will keep their content for years..
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[pineal.outburst]

Hello nen888, please help on identifying this parcticular Acacia here in Luzon, Philippines. I still don't have pictures of the seed/pods but it im pretty sure they have a very dark brown color to them. Thank you!

 

[austra]

Hi just a few pictures here need a bit of help with some SEQ acacia IDs.

1. Large tree 10m +, no current flowers, several old ball like seed pods (pictured), phyllodes smooth 100-160mm long 15-35mm wide, non resinous borders, base gland 5-8mm from base.
Pictures 1-6

2. Large tree 10m +, small number brush like flowers, seedpods tear shaped, grey, phyllodes 10-16mm long 10-20mm wide, gland 5mm from base
Pictures 7-10

3. Small sapling, red trunk + branches, phyllodes linear 12-18mm long, 5-8mm wide, no identifiable basal gland
Pictures 10-13


I feel 3 may be acacia floribunda but just not sure. I have to say I have been overwhelmed by the variety of acacia present here with many subtly different varieties found growing right next to each other. For example growing next to tree #2 there was a very similar acacia with narrower and shorter phyllodes (10-13mm wide, 100mm long) otherwise looked the same but had longer (50mm x 8mm) wavy seedpods. I honestly thought they were the same tree until I saw the pods.
I was wondering if there were any good ID guides available. I have looked at planetNET and worldwide wattle but am finding the species immense diversity a big hurdle.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated

 

[nen888]

..hi austra, there's the occasional book covering your region (eg. "60 Wattles Of Chincilla & Murilla Shires" by Grace Lithgow), but it can be quite daunting trying to ID many wattle species..particularly without flower and pod..
the first looks like the twisted-pod form of A. melanoxylon (though the bark is more fissured than typical..ball flowers would decide it..rod flowers would suggest a form of maidenii, less likely); the second is A. aulococarpa; and the third may well be a narrow phyllode form of A. maidenii (if it has twisted/coiled pods), or floribunda if it has absolutely no basal gland, but the phyllodes are different in shape/width to most forms of floribunda..
..it's usually the combination of flower and pod features which decides it..

INDEX OF THREAD here p1 also p11..
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[polmos]

Here are some cuttings i got from down the road. I think it is either A. Multisiliqua or A. Simsii.

Pics:

 

[nen888]

^..looks like A. simsii..as i edited in above the phyllodes of A. multisilliqua are quite small, c.3cm x 0.6-0.8mm..

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[Seldom]

have recently come across a population of what i think is acacia cultriformis:

from Trout's notes: "Commercial florist’s material was divided into branch
stems, phyllodes and flower spikes. All showed a blue
band in co-tlc with pure 5-MeO-DMT reference
standard (using Xanthydrol to visualize) Sept. 96 tlc J.
Appleseed."
also cites tests from 1957 by White confirming presence of Tryptamine

have also come across a couple of anecdotal reports here and at the corroboree of people smoking baileyana phyllodes? Acacia Baileyana THH in phyloids!!! - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

would be interesting to hear what you guys think, cultriformis is a fairly small plant but in places it's reasonably abundant, could be an interesting one to investigate

 

[Gowpen]

The only plants that look remotely like Acuminata are this one. This is infact the plant I took a sample from and which has since proved negative.. Its a 'look-a-like' Acuminata... any ideas nen ?

 

[nen888]

..hmm, the phyllodes look a bit long, and (if there aren't any taller trees about) it seems too small and bushy to be acuminata..if you hadn't already had a few non-yielding results in the name of science i'd say 'looks interesting'..i'll get back to you on what it may be..
took me a few weeks of bushwalking and travelling to the first wattle i was deeply looking for..i saw and felt a lot of great things in that time..the more i was in nature, the more my senses adapted to the subtle differences between plants..
you must be close, Growpen..

 

[acacian]

Ok so here's some photo's I've been meaning to upload for i.d for a while now but hadn't figured out how to upload photos.

So the first two pics I'm not sure of the species... I suspect Acacia Melanoxyn
Note that the leaves are also slightly furry

Shot at 2012-05-23

Shot at 2012-05-23

The next three I have been really excited to get an i.d on for a while now as I really have no idea as to what species it could be..

Shot at 2012-05-23 .. i love the look of this tree

Shot at 2012-05-23

Shot at 2012-05-23

The next three after those, I assumed to be Acacia Floribunda. I have not tested the phyllodes yet.. will report back with results over the next couple weeks

Shot at 2012-05-23

Shot at 2012-05-23

Shot at 2012-05-23

Strongly suspect this one to be Acacia Provincialis though not 100%.. looks a bit like Acacia Retinodes but has glossier leaves as far as I can tell

Shot at 2012-05-23

Shot at 2012-05-23

 

[acacian]

Sorry for the poor quality image here... i was thinking this one could possibly be a mucronata? any ideas? it has very erect phyllodes but the tips look a little too acuminate

 

[Gowpen]

Hi all, I think Im getting a bit closer , I went for a long trek today and took some photos. If this is indeed Acuminata, I saw lots of fallen branches and the like.
what do you think nen/brickie.... ?

 

[nen888]

..bricklaya..as always flowers & pods are the way to be sure..but, depending on where you are in vic, it looks a bit like A. dallachiana (see drawing below), which is known to hybridize with phlebophylla..

next, i don't know what the round leaf tree is, but it does look nice..

below that, what you're suspecting of being A. floribunda, is definitely not..the phyllodes have different vein patterns, especially the predominant centre vein, and are glossier and slightly different shape to floribunda..
i'll have a think about what wattle it may be..this is why, i'd say, the previously mentioned extractions didn't work..

your guess for A. provincialis is good..does look like it..

and lastly, that indeed does appear to be a variety of A. mucronata, as you suspect..

..to get an idea whether there are alks in a plant, i would usually initially test about 200grams of fresh material..
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[acacian]

Ok so here's a slightly differen't tree from the same area.
Flower rods: 6.3 cm
Phyllodes:18cm
Stems have a reddish colour
The phyllodes twist around a little bit (it actually reminded me of obtusifolia phyllodes a bit but with out the serated red edges) and are absent of hairs like the last ones. Also none of them have defined points, they all seem slightly blunted at the end with almost burnt looking red tips. More prominent middle vein with two very very subtle veins on either side of it on the more matured leaves... in between those many smaller veins that become visible when holding up to light

once again, sorry for bad quality photos.. still on the lappy... and AGAIN I've seen this tree in flower last year and has white rod flowers which absolutely cover the tree







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any I.Ds welcome!

I will test a small amount of these phyllodes too for curiosity

 

[cave paintings]

Ok here we go. Sorry about cluttering the thread earlier with the deleted posts. I am rather computer illiterate and was having trouble figuring out how to attach the photos and accidentally posted those.
Please help ID these if you can nen and others.

The trunk is that of the first acacia. The first four pictures are one tree. The last three pictures are of what I believe to be a different acacia. No flowers were on this second acacia to photograph. Thanks in advance guys. I began narrowing it down last night but I seem to have forgot all my probable ID's. Living in southwest USA.

 

[Gowpen]

Ok here we go. Sorry about cluttering the thread earlier with the deleted posts. I am rather computer illiterate and was having trouble figuring out how to attach the photos and accidentally posted those.
Please help ID these if you can nen and others.

The trunk is that of the first acacia. The first four pictures are one tree. The last three pictures are of what I believe to be a different acacia. No flowers were on this second acacia to photograph. Thanks in advance guys. I began narrowing it down last night but I seem to have forgot all my probable ID's. Living in southwest USA.

G'day mate ! I would do a couple of test extractions on that last pic you put up. I rekkon 'its got the look' hahahaha
I did find this photo site of Acacias in Arizona, (near you ?) and there are 4 listed here;
Acacia Angustissima
A. Constrica
A. Greggii
A. Neovernicosa http://www.cas.vanderbilt.edu/bioimages/pages/arizona-plants.htm
I notice they are all from a family of called 'fabaceae' I think Acuminata is related.... nen ?
None like yours though, it is really amazes me how they are all over the planet, I would love to find out more about them.

On a side note, I really want to apply for a course here. This is a new area to me but, what do you think nen? What a facinating subject. Biological Sciences

Cave paintings, this is great to hear from an Acaciafile as nen says. They became my only option here to find my own DMT, and as a consequence has become a most satisfying hobby. If this thread continues, we will have a map of the world acacia species that may be a sustainable resourse if MHRB became difficult to obtain, or ever became a resourse for dealers for example. Its a if DMT is the BIGGEST secret everyone should know (perhaps).
Good luck and thanks for the input, for me, Acacias are like a jigsaw puzzle. you have just placed a few pieces in ....many thanks. Keep looking

 

[nen888]

ok..cave paintings..your two tree pics in post#568..i'm not 100% certain (& a true botanical verification is done with the actual plant in hand) but i think the first tree (in the first 4 pics) is Acacia ligulata (a native of south and western aus) ..the tree in the last 2 pics is trickier, and may be a hybrid..it has characteristics of both A. saligna and A. retinodes 'Swamp Variant', but doesn't quite key in..are there any flowers (even remains) left?
[see photos attached below]..all these trees are in the Acacia (sub) section Phyllodineae..i have no chemical info on ligulata..check index for other species, limited..this section of acacias is less chemically studied for tryptamines than section Juliflorae, which includes A.'s maidenii, phlebophylla & acuminata..
..A. cyclops (in section Plurinerves) has many fine parallel veins on the phyllodes (like section juliflorae)..A. excelsa, johannis and others found tryptamine +ve by 'J.J.' are also in section Plurinerves, which differs from Juliflorae in having ball racemes, as opposed to spike..
..really looking forward to hearing you findings cave paintings..
..would be good to find out more about USA native species too [see p9#163](thanks to Growpen for the links)
there must be more than phenethylamines going on..(A. angustissima, of course, has at least some DMT, needs more study)

 

[cave paintings]

Thanks nen!! I believe you are correct on it being A.ligulata. I had done a STB on the bark of a couple limbs that had been cut down by the rangers and returned nothing but a very fine white residue which I couldn't scrape up.

I've been going a little mad. I found a canyon in the same area as the pics I took and there seem to be all sorts of acacias or maybe just hybrids of each other.

I have seen what I am almost sure is A.saligna or retinodes around. There are also acacias I am finding with very large and wide phylodes. All of these are growing in such close proximity that I have to trace each branch to the ground to make sure I am getting the right one.
Also what I am almost sure is a.cultriformis is growing around this grove. All this among eucalyptus trees.. I might as well be in australia I feel!

All this doesn't mean too much without pictures for you so I will have to borrow my friend's camera and get some.
I did a quick Acid to Base extraction on a small limb of the acacia in the second pictures and it is freeze precipitating now. I feel this extraction might have been in vain however because even containing dmt, I feel the amount of material extracted from (about a foot or so long limb with phyllodes) would not return much significant anyway. I just don't want to go hack down a tree to find out it doesn't contain anything. How much would you recommend to use as a sample nen? (and sorry if you have posted this info elsewhere).

Also, it appears most of the phylodes (and therefore means of identification) fall off after the acacias are dropping their seed around here! Should I hurry up and start extracting/identifying quicker or will the phylodes come back? It gets pretty dry out here in the summer.

Also, I will go back and look for flowers on the second acacia. And perhaps try extracting from the A.saligna(retinodes) I have been seeing around.