Botany Acacia and Mimosa Identification Thread

[Alio84]

Nice work Alio84 do you have bark from the sample you ingested?
Often times we can get an active species but then return a week later and the alkaloids have vanished
Maybe you can get an extract of this and send it off for GCMS review?
Are the any details to the experience; heightened awareness, sound, color vibrancy, etc?
Thank you for sharing :thumb_up:

Thanks!! :thumb_up: I still have bark from the tree and planning to do another brew.
Not sure I got your point of the active species getting vanished of alkaloid a week later. Can you explain more? Not sure I will take MAOI this time since I read that this tree has 5-MeO DMT. My experience was more like a DMT than a 5-MeO-DMT though.


I still don't know how to extract and I don't think I can send illegal materials anywhere. :!:
However, A. Farnesiana is available in many places around the world. The method I used is I brewed the powder of the bark (5 grams) in ~1 liter/3 (300ml each) for three times using the same bark for 30-40 minutes each brew, and then combined the three and boild them again for reduction. Later, I filtered the tea, boild it again and added one egg white, and stirred for 15 minutes. Then filtered the tea, and the amount left to consume was half glass.


30 minutes after consuming the tea it starts to take affect.
- I see smoke while my eyes are closed, (I was afraid my room is on fire so I had to open my eyes to check.)
-I started seeing purple moving everywhere and taking over the black
- I saw a shade from the right side coming closer to me (as swimming or no gravity) and then touched me.
-Later I was in kinda a tunnel, everything was moving fast in left and right sides and at the end started to slow down.
-Also I saw myself going up in a roller coaster and was so afraid of the downward, eventualy it was only going up and then their was fireworks and I felt relieved.
-Then I saw people (Humans) walking out of this thing and each one holding hands with someone/somethings, (I couldn't see who are those I could only see the humans).
- Last thing I was infront of a man looked like a cashier in a store and I asked him about the date, then suddenly everything (including this man) stopped and started vaporating from my vision. Then I woke up next day

I was so tired before consuming the tea and wanted to sleep, I believe the trip could be longer if I didn't fell asleep too early.

 

[Chimp Z]

Sounds like a dreamy experience. Thank you for sharing.
I wonder what your tree is though, Acacia Farnesiana usually has thorns.
The seed pods look spot-on nonetheless.
Does your tree have thorns/might there be a variety of Farnesiana/Smallii that is thornless?

In regards to alkaloids peaking and depleting:

Snu Voogelbreinder mentions they went back a few times to different Acacias to find
they didn't have as much alkaloids if any. Diurnal differences can have a huge impact
on plant secondary metabolites.

This has happened to me before when extracting from Phalaris and different Acacias.
You'll get a good yield once, go back to the plant and get a small yield.
Hard to master the wild plants.

 

[Alio84]

Sounds like a dreamy experience. Thank you for sharing.
I wonder what your tree is though, Acacia Farnesiana usually has thorns.
The seed pods look spot-on nonetheless.
Does your tree have thorns/might there be a variety of Farnesiana/Smallii that is thornless?

In regards to alkaloids peaking and depleting:

Snu Voogelbreinder mentions they went back a few times to different Acacias to find
they didn't have as much alkaloids if any. Diurnal differences can have a huge impact
on plant secondary metabolites.

This has happened to me before when extracting from Phalaris and different Acacias.
You'll get a good yield once, go back to the plant and get a small yield.
Hard to master the wild plants.

It was a good dreamy experience out of the 5g bark. Maybe if the dosage is higher it will be different experince.

Do you think I should avoid MAOI, I read that this tree may contain 5-meo-dmt in the leaves and I some say it is dangerous to take it with MAOI, not sure if the tree also contain 5-MoE-DMT in the bark. According to my first try, I didnt feel sick, no nuesea, no purge. Not sure if the side effects of mixing 5-MoE-DMT with MAOI is a long term effects or immiedietly.


The tree has two kinds of thorns, small thorns looks like horns, and long sharp thorns

 

[nen888]

^^..it looks to be A. farnesiana (Vachellia farnesiana), which has a range of morphotypes in different areas ..thanks for keeping plant knowledge strong ChimpZ...i haven't had a lot of time to do IDs in here anymore, so appreciate it

and Allo84 - very interesting.. i do caution against the oral ingestion of uncertain or untested acacias, there can be a lot of other things in there.. based on ethnomedicinal data and recent experiments by BundleflowerPower this species has interesting and so far not harmful activity, but extraction and vaporisation is a much safer way to test an unknown plant.. we really need to get more tests done on A. farnesiana, and i encourage Nexians to take advantage of GCMS testing being offered by the nexus..there have been instances of 5meo-dmt in some specimens of A. farnesiana, but not in others..it's also been found to contain simple tryptamine.. i will be looking a little at this species in future writing..
Allo84 i commend your enquiring spirit but also point out this is very unknown territory.. A. farnesiana has some variation, and how this plays out in chemical variation is not clear.. 5meo is not inherently safe with MAOIs in all but trace amounts..
A. farnesiana has as i said some traditional usage, but not in conjunction with MAOIs..proceed with extreme caution, and try to get the material tested.. A. farnesiana also based on BundleFlowerPower's experiments has some oral activity on its own, which is true of a number of acacias.. this may not be due to alkaloids..
anyway, this is interesting info..try to ascertain what exactly you are ingesting, to be able to make more calculated decisiond.. and if you can get these things tested please contribute the results to the nexus knowledge base..
and stay safe all

 

[Chimp Z]

Thanks nen,
yes everyone be safe things can change quickly.

I need help identifying this plant that I saw the other day in Zone 10A

 

[KB181]

Hey team,

My first time using this excellent thread ! Have learned so much thanks allot all involved !


I come across what I believe is a acacia melanoxylon, now my question is , a tree right beside it looking identical , except 1 it was not flowering and 2 is had rough bark, unfortunately I didn’t get photos but I have photos of the suspected acacia.m

What do you guys think , could be a good candidate (not the photos shown) ?

A great thing the plants have taught me is patience.... and I haven’t even found the right one ! Hahaha


Here are photos

https://imgur.com/a/qvNKbvN

Update: After extraction small amount of yellow goo was left after evaporation , I have been doing my pulls with cold aus shelite , wondering if this maybe affecting it ? As every extraction I’ve done on suspected floribunda ect I am left with same goo that smells like flowers .

 

[Dan_J]

hey gang,

today i was at a local shroom hunting spot when i noticed that the lower bark of a tree was striped, on closer inspection i confirmed that someone must have done this.

now this doesnt look like mimosa hostilis but its similar so i'm just after an id if possible, located in australia- vic SE.
would be great if it is safe and has dmt alkaloids, that way i can collect seeds and start gorilla grows in the same habitat.

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thanks
-dan

 

[Chimp Z]

Hey KB181 it sure does look a lot like Melanoxylon with the white flowers.
The phyllodes seem too long and spread apart to be Melanoxylon, though.
Do you know its growing conditions?(rural inland, coastal, forest, etc)
I'm just wondering what all the white stuff on the bark is doing...
Never seen a melanoxylon tree with that on it.
From the blackwood's I've seen they have rough rigid
bark when mature and is smoother when young.
Are you able to heat up the shellite upon extracting?
I use naphtha with all mine and warm solvent usually works best if you're
putting it in the freezer afterwards. Save these extracts, send them to be analyzed.

Also a good indicator of it being Melanoxylon is if there are seedlings growing about
they should have pinnate foliage. After they've passed the juvenile stage
they'll start putting out regular big phyllodes.
I know these plants have phenotypes and phyllodes
may grow longer under certain conditions....
Look up what white-flowering Acacias grow in your vicinity.

Dan_J, hmmm may not be a Mimosa Hostilis. Looks like Acacia Decurrens/Dealbata to me.
Could have been somebody who misidentified the tree and killed it

 

[KB181]

Hey KB181 it sure does look a lot like Melanoxylon with the white flowers.
The phyllodes seem too long and spread apart to be Melanoxylon, though.
Do you know its growing conditions?(rural inland, coastal, forest, etc)
I'm just wondering what all the white stuff on the bark is doing...
Never seen a melanoxylon tree with that on it.
From the blackwood's I've seen they have rough rigid
bark when mature and is smoother when young.
Are you able to heat up the shellite upon extracting?
I use naphtha with all mine and warm solvent usually works best if you're
putting it in the freezer afterwards. Save these extracts, send them to be analyzed.

Also a good indicator of it being Melanoxylon is if there are seedlings growing about
they should have pinnate foliage. After they've passed the juvenile stage
they'll start putting out regular big phyllodes.
I know these plants have phenotypes and phyllodes
may grow longer under certain conditions....
Look up what white-flowering Acacias grow in your vicinity.

Dan_J, hmmm may not be a Mimosa Hostilis. Looks like Acacia Decurrens/Dealbata to me.
Could have been somebody who misidentified the tree and killed it

Hey Chimp Z , thank you kindly for your information.


I will have to go back and check both trees , luckily they live down the road

You could say all 3 climates as the beach and river are few minute drive , with the trees backing onto rainforest/bush and river on the other side of the road, Very beautiful area I am granted to live in (NNSW).

I have come to the conclusion (also from all the negative reports of diggers shellite changing ) diggers shellite in Australia is absolutely crap for extraction even after warming to 40 degrees c , so I will be buying some zippo lighter fluid and clean up with shellite ? The reason I know this is i have obtained powder that I know holds , you can even smelll it in powder form and have done extraction to only got maybe 6-8 small hits from the goo from a 50g Cybs tek said powder it to be acacia confusa .
Maybe I should try xylene crap and clean and precipitation with shellite.


Thanks heaps for your reply ! I appreciate it .

 

[Dan_J]

Dan_J, hmmm may not be a Mimosa Hostilis. Looks like Acacia Decurrens/Dealbata to me.
Could have been somebody who misidentified the tree and killed it

hey Chimp Z, thanks for the info, will try and get more pictures in spring for more confirmation

if anyone has any more leads post away :d

 

[Chimp Z]

@ KB181
Could the supposed Melanoxylon actually be Acacia Falcata? the flowers look identical and phyllodes very similar...
A prime species to inspect

 

[sidelinemescaline]

Hi everyone,

Just wondering if I could get some confirmation on this one please? I think this is Acacia Hostilis that I'm looking at.

https://imgur.com/a/MBUtabd

Thanks

 

[twitchy]

Thanks nen,
yes everyone be safe things can change quickly.

I need help identifying this plant that I saw the other day in Zone 10A

Aweesome looking seed pods. It reminds me of one of those industrial brooms janitors use. Reckon it could be a Mimosa pigra?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Mimosa_pigra_%282%29.JPG

 

[Chimp Z]

Wow Twitchy I think you're right! Thank you ! I've been wondering for a while
I just found that nurseries sell this plant in my region.

The first time I encountered this plant was on a super hot day when i was walking around
and the presence of this plant cooled my thoughts down.
Just stood there for maybe 5 minutes examining the plant and admiring its lovely energy..

Might have some DMT in there. Will have to check up on this plant again.

Mimosa pigra

I know this species is considered invasive. Seeing as how it is related to and even able to be confused with the sensitive plant Mimosa pudica I was wondering if the alkaloid content of the pigra has been looked at. My seedlings of pseudo-hostilis have floral traits of the pigra... I have recentl...

www.shaman-australis.com

 

[endlessness]

a bit of info on Mimosa pigra:

Mimosa hostilis and Mimosa spp. (pudica, ophthalmocentra etc) Workspace - Collaborative Research Project - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[Chimp Z]

Endlessness you think Mimosa Pigra worth a shot?
I can collect some twigs/leaves to analyze

 

[twitchy]

Wow Twitchy I think you're right! Thank you ! I've been wondering for a while
I just found that nurseries sell this plant in my region.

The first time I encountered this plant was on a super hot day when i was walking around
and the presence of this plant cooled my thoughts down.
Just stood there for maybe 5 minutes examining the plant and admiring its lovely energy..

Might have some DMT in there. Will have to check up on this plant again.

Mimosa pigra

I know this species is considered invasive. Seeing as how it is related to and even able to be confused with the sensitive plant Mimosa pudica I was wondering if the alkaloid content of the pigra has been looked at. My seedlings of pseudo-hostilis have floral traits of the pigra... I have recentl...

www.shaman-australis.com

It was just a shot in the dark really so don't take my word for it, but it does resemble pigra and they're common enough to be considered 'noxious'. Cool looking thing though.

 

[Alio84]

^^..it looks to be A. farnesiana (Vachellia farnesiana), which has a range of morphotypes in different areas ..thanks for keeping plant knowledge strong ChimpZ...i haven't had a lot of time to do IDs in here anymore, so appreciate it

and Allo84 - very interesting.. i do caution against the oral ingestion of uncertain or untested acacias, there can be a lot of other things in there.. based on ethnomedicinal data and recent experiments by BundleflowerPower this species has interesting and so far not harmful activity, but extraction and vaporisation is a much safer way to test an unknown plant.. we really need to get more tests done on A. farnesiana, and i encourage Nexians to take advantage of GCMS testing being offered by the nexus..there have been instances of 5meo-dmt in some specimens of A. farnesiana, but not in others..it's also been found to contain simple tryptamine.. i will be looking a little at this species in future writing..
Allo84 i commend your enquiring spirit but also point out this is very unknown territory.. A. farnesiana has some variation, and how this plays out in chemical variation is not clear.. 5meo is not inherently safe with MAOIs in all but trace amounts..
A. farnesiana has as i said some traditional usage, but not in conjunction with MAOIs..proceed with extreme caution, and try to get the material tested.. A. farnesiana also based on BundleFlowerPower's experiments has some oral activity on its own, which is true of a number of acacias.. this may not be due to alkaloids..
anyway, this is interesting info..try to ascertain what exactly you are ingesting, to be able to make more calculated decisiond.. and if you can get these things tested please contribute the results to the nexus knowledge base..
and stay safe all

Sorry for not responding earlier, I had food poisoning next day after drinking Ayahuasca from this tree. It was the third time trying it withing a week, the first two times I was fine though. This time I used it and the affect of DMT is their, next day I woke up in the morning fine and healthy, I ate left over pancake that was sit in the table from yesterday then I got sick. Not sure if I was sick because of the tree or the pancake or maybe both. Also I have to say that I also took Harmala 45 minutes before drinking the Ayahwasca. I know I should never ate the leftover pancake especially while taking MAOIs, I forgot about that. As you can see their is so many factors and we ares till not sure if the tree is the reason why I got food poisoning. I went to emergency room because my temperature was little high and I got skin allergy, plus the diarhea and throwing up for more than 3 times.



*Exeuse my bad English with grammar and spelling mistakes.

 

[sidelinemescaline]

Hi, just wondering if anyone knows what type of acacia this is? From a distance I though it might have been Acacia longifolia with few leaves, but when I got closer I saw that it had really small leaves...

 

[Aussieguy30]

Location, brisbane, found these close by my home and wanting to see if i could get an id on them?