Acacia Confusa ayahuasca

[PsychedelicPepsi]

"13 grams Acacia Confusa
6 grams syrian rue
500 mg vitamin C
grind together very wellput 1 1/2 quarts of water in a 2 quart pot. simmer (do NOT boil) for 6 hours
strain off and save liquid add another 1 1/2 quarts of water simmer for 6 hours strain off - save liquid clean pot of the powdered remains
add both liquids back into the pot
simmer for 6 hours
should leave you about 250 ml of a very clean smooth POWERFUL*ayahuasca* analogue
25 - 30 ml - nice micro dose - one can fully function with increased awareness, quiet meditation opens one up to the*dmt*experience, can be done for days, weeks on end - just watch out for the dmt build up which seems to be cumulative; and watch out for the*maoi*and certain food interaction (particulary red wine)
100 ml - nice full dmt journey (approx peak = 3 hours)*
125 ml - hold on to your sanity as reality dissolves
150 ml - ........."
Ok my homie wants to use this same Recipe but in a higher amount. He has 105 grams of acacia confusa and he's wondering how much Syrian rue he could add since he knows he shouldn't add too much. Any thoughts?

 

[Auxin]

Potency of commercial Acacia confusa is reportedly variable, as is peoples preferred dose!
He might brew them separately until he finds his preferred dose of the material he has.
Typically people use 2-4 grams of rue, 3 and 3.5 seeming to be the most standard amounts.

 

[PsychedelicPepsi]

Oh yea he knows they differ in potency. He's tried the bark he has right now though. But would he use 3.5 grams of Syrian Rue for 105 grams of acacia confusa? Isn't that a little bit?

 

[dreamer042]

Use between 1-3 grams of syrian rue per dose to start out.

Use between 2-6 grams of acacia confusa per dose to start out.

It is advised to learn the rue first, take it a few times by itself get to know how it works on you and dial in your dose. For full mao inhibition you want to take a dose where you have to lay down. The first few times you will most likely be very dizzy and nauseous you may purge, these effects tend to become easier to deal with after you have done it a few times though they will almost always be present in fully inhibiting doses.

Once you have dialed in your correct dose of rue (some people get there on 2 grams, some need 5 or more so figure out what is right for you), then you add the acacia (this also variable some people will get their socks rocked at 2-3 grams some people need more). It is very easy to overdo it, be careful about piling up a bunch more acacia if you don't have a strong effect, play with the rue dose first.

Haapi journeys

 

[PsychedelicPepsi]

Sounds great! Thank you!

 

[Auxin]

...the acacia (this also variable some people will get their socks rocked at 2-3 grams some people need more).

Just how often does that dosage preference happen?
I've seen multiple people here reference 10-15 grams of the modern commercial Acacia confusa root bark as a respectable beginners dose with 20+ grams being a strong dose.
I find it hard to believe that individual sensitivity or batch-to-batch potency variation could routinely alter the dosing ten fold.
Moderator Edit: No Buy/Sell talk.

Is it possible people taking 4 grams of rue and getting distinct ataxia might not have found their 'sweet spot' with regards to DMT potentiation?
Or what else explains a ten fold spread in peoples doses?

 

[PsychedelicPepsi]

Yea see I'm thinking my friend could make about 6-7 doses using 105 grams of root bark

 

[dreamer042]

...the acacia (this also variable some people will get their socks rocked at 2-3 grams some people need more).

Just how often does that dosage preference happen?
I've seen multiple people here reference 10-15 grams of the modern commercial Acacia confusa root bark as a respectable beginners dose with 20+ grams being a strong dose.
I find it hard to believe that individual sensitivity or batch-to-batch potency variation could routinely alter the dosing ten fold.
Moderator Edit: No Buy/Sell talk.

Is it possible people taking 4 grams of rue and getting distinct ataxia might not have found their 'sweet spot' with regards to DMT potentiation?
Or what else explains a ten fold spread in peoples doses?

I will admit I have not personally worked with acacia bark orally, these numbers are based on yields. At just 1% (it usually yields closer to 2%), 2 grams would be equivalent of 20mg DMT/NMT mixture. For a sensitive person that is fully mao inhibited this should be enough to get a feel for what the effects of a stronger dose would be. 6 grams at 2% would be on par with 120mg nmt/dmt mixture this should be enough for a solid experience for even a hardheaded person. 15 grams even at 1% is 150mg, at the 2% that's 300mg, this is higher than people should typically need if they are achieving full mao inhibition.

I say start with a very small dose in the interest of harm reduction, if 20mg underwhelms you that's a lot better than getting it right with 300mg. Always start low and work your way up to finding your correct dose.

 

[PsychedelicPepsi]

...the acacia (this also variable some people will get their socks rocked at 2-3 grams some people need more).

Just how often does that dosage preference happen?
I've seen multiple people here reference 10-15 grams of the modern commercial Acacia confusa root bark as a respectable beginners dose with 20+ grams being a strong dose.
I find it hard to believe that individual sensitivity or batch-to-batch potency variation could routinely alter the dosing ten fold.
Moderator Edit: No Buy/Sell talk.

Is it possible people taking 4 grams of rue and getting distinct ataxia might not have found their 'sweet spot' with regards to DMT potentiation?
Or what else explains a ten fold spread in peoples doses?

I will admit I have not personally worked with acacia bark orally, these numbers are based on yields. At just 1% (it usually yields closer to 2%), 2 grams would be equivalent of 20mg DMT/NMT mixture. For a sensitive person that is fully mao inhibited this should be enough to get a feel for what the effects of a stronger dose would be. 6 grams at 2% would be on par with 120mg nmt/dmt mixture this should be enough for a solid experience for even a hardheaded person. 15 grams even at 1% is 150mg, at the 2% that's 300mg, this is higher than people should typically need if they are achieving full mao inhibition.

I say start with a very small dose in the interest of harm reduction, if 20mg underwhelms you that's a lot better than getting it right with 300mg. Always start low and work your way up to finding your correct dose.

That makes so much sense the only thing is my friend has worked his way up and to be honest the bark he has is not too strong. He's gonna make a lot for a few people.

 

[Auxin]

...should be enough to get a feel for what the effects of a stronger dose would be.

Ok, we just simply had radically different notions of what getting ones socks rocked entails :lol:
Faint CEVs and discernible cognitive effects would be informative to a timid or systematic beginner.

Always start low and work your way up to finding your correct dose.

Right on.