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Great work @Ozzy_Chronik !

Acacia leiocalyx does seem like a very good candidate. A few others have reported positive findings here too and I also have a friend who had positive results.

What were the yields?

Have you tried a higher dose yet?

I’ve had a phyllode brew sitting around for about 8 months .. you’ve inspired me to finish it! Phyllodes with this species have a lot of other stuff that precipitate when made basic. Sounds like bark is much easier. Twig/stem should have much the same content as trunk bark but cleaner.
 
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Great work @Ozzy_Chronik !

Acacia leiocalyx does seem like a very good candidate. A few others have reported positive findings here too and I also have a friend who had positive results.

What were the yields?

Have you tried a higher dose yet?

I’ve had a phyllode brew sitting around for many months .. you’ve inspired me to finish it! Hopefully the potential alkaloids sitting in toluene for 8 months hasn’t had too bad an effect!
G'day mate

I still have the brew and it's is still producing so results are currently inconclusive. Only have so much room in my freezer.
I will note however I'm having a bugger of a time getting anything to crash out of this into anything worth talking about.
I cannot seem to solidify anything more than fine sand size crystals. Even then you can hardly notice them until you decant and speed dry the dish.
I've still got a more concentrated naphtha mix from the first pull sitting in the freezer, been 48 hours in there now. I'm sure I seen some pin heads in there but we will see. Tomorrow will be the day.

Pull 2 was evaporated to leave a heavy deposit of oil and some fine sand DMT crystal. 0.37g total.

If I had to give a rough estimate, I'd say that it's going to end up somewhere between 0.5 - 1.0% total alkaloids.
30:70 DMT - NMT

Haven't tried anything more than the initial bit I mentioned.
The instant sink into the seat was the most notable effect closely followed by the urge to put on the headphones, a strong NMT indicator for me.




On a seperate note Acacian, I have some interesting A.maidenii specimens in my path which present themselves different to others I'm used to seeing.
Would you be willing to take a look and cast your opinion?
Get ready for some acute phyllodes!
 
Nothing wrong with fine sand texture! .. Acacia can be really tricky to solidify with some species. Especially if trying to retain full spectrum. My opinion is that if it is solid enough that you can scrape it and store it then job well done. I’m so used to using DMT as an oil it doesn’t phase me so much..

Acacia leiocalyx is a great potential source. It’s very common all along the north coast of NSW and into QLD.. I’m bewildered why more people with access to it don’t experiment. My friend reported a truly profound experience from the extract.

Good on you for taking the initiative.

There seems to have been varied results with the species but it’s hard to quantify if failed attempts were even leiocalyx - as the Cunningham group of wattles are all very similar. Concurrens had also had positive reports. And I’ve no doubt in my mind that others in the group are active too.. two of them in particular catch my eye.

Again, great work
 
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Oh and yes I’d be very interested to see the maidenii. I’ve not worked with this species myself, however am vaguely familiar with the appearance of the active variety. A couple members here are much more experienced with this species..

Maidenii can have higher % in phyllodes than bark which is very cool!
 
Oh and yes I’d be very interested to see the maidenii. I’ve not worked with this species myself, however am vaguely familiar with the appearance of the active variety. A couple members here are much more experienced with this species..

Maidenii can have higher % in phyllodes than bark which is very cool!
I will grab some fresh photos today and post them up.

I only know and have seen the 1 type of Maidenii, I would be eager to see the mysterious thin phyllode variety
 
Hey @Ozzy_Chronik , have you done anymore bioassay of your extract? Excited to hear more from you on this.

It would also be great if you could share a little about the taxonomy of the tree - that is, if you can recall it.. were the flowers pale or a more yellow? Approximate age of the tree.. phyllode length/width etc would be great to note. I’ve noticed a bit of variation in color of flowers as well as the complexity in nerve reticulation with this species.

Inspired by your results I went and visited an inland population of leiocalyx growing on some rocky slopes in NSW.. results to come.
 
Hey @Ozzy_Chronik , have you done anymore bioassay of your extract? Excited to hear more from you on this.

It would also be great if you could share a little about the taxonomy of the tree - that is, if you can recall it.. were the flowers pale or a more yellow? Approximate age of the tree.. phyllode length/width etc would be great to note. I’ve noticed a bit of variation in color of flowers as well as the complexity in nerve reticulation with this species.

Inspired by your results I went and visited an inland population of leiocalyx growing on some rocky slopes in NSW.. results to come.
G'day Acacian

Unfortunately I made a rookie error, to put it blunt the molecule has now been returned to nature 😆

Thankfully I have a couple kg of this bark in a box ready to go so a re-run won't be an issue.

Haven't tried anymore yet. Using bunnings industrial shellite and soda I'm a bit reluctant to have a proper dose.
My original plan was, if and when I did recover something I wanted to try to re-x in heptane or even just shellite again.
Obviously for clean up and possibly of crystal form.

As far as the tree goes, it would have been about 5-10 years old. Bit hard to tell age as it was growing in a heavily saturated area. Phyllodes were slightly eliptical,3+ nerves, sometimes elusive gland 1-5 mm from base, 120mm long, 15-20 mm wide, juveniles will have the iconic 'fat' leiocalyx phyllode we all know and slim down as they mature.
Flowers were on the yellow side of creamy.

Keen to see your results bud 👁️
 
I know there is a solvent thread but since we're here......i like using naphtha, don't want to use xylene. You got any smarts on re-x candidates in Australia?

Maybe shellite will work after a defat/re-x?
 
I've used diggers shellite no worries. I usually backsalt or mini A/B a xylene pull though.
It definitely pulls however without a THC kit I wouldn't have a clue what I have.
If I evap a spoonful of solvent on a dish it leaves next to no residue however when I extract and evap I'm left with an oily residue that resembles aromatics however the shellite does not smell this way out the bottle. Very strange
 
It definitely pulls however without a THC kit I wouldn't have a clue what I have.
If I evap a spoonful of solvent on a dish it leaves next to no residue however when I extract and evap I'm left with an oily residue that resembles aromatics however the shellite does not smell this way out the bottle. Very strange

It sounds like that oily residue may be your extract, whatever that extract may be is another question. If it evaporates cleanly with no extraction then it's pulling something.

What material are you working with?
 
It sounds like that oily residue may be your extract, whatever that extract may be is another question. If it evaporates cleanly with no extraction then it's pulling something.

What material are you working with?
G'day mate,

Currently running 100g Acacia leiocalyx root bark. On a previous run I used 250g trunk bark from the same stump and the smell of the extracted oil was 100% universe smell. bio-assayed the oil I extracted. Definitely active.
I left something where I shouldn't (rookie error), nature came and took back it's molecule(rain), and i lost the progress I had on the trunk bark.
So that brings me to where I am. After the smell and bioassay I felt the need to do a run on the root bark but it's left me bewildered to say the least.
It's just that strong aromatic smell that's putting me off. Like 500ml of evaporated kerosene strong.
I can't bring myself to go near it until i backsalt again and hit it with heptane.
(No I don't have heptane but leiocalyx deserves it in my opinion)

The Shellite that was used is very common in Australia. SDS sheet claims: 100% naphtha, < 30 n-hexane, < 0.1 benzene.

I've noticed reading through the nexus that people talk about a time when shellite pulling power in Australia was far superior to that what it is now.
An Interesting little side note for this solvent that I haven't seen anyone mention here is the old composition used to include <10% ethylbenzene. It's composition changed somewhere between 2015-2020.
Being such a close relative to xylene I can't help but wonder if this being removed is the main contributing factor to reduced yields compared to pre 2015.

🤘
 
G'day mate,

Currently running 100g Acacia leiocalyx root bark. On a previous run I used 250g trunk bark from the same stump and the smell of the extracted oil was 100% universe smell. bio-assayed the oil I extracted. Definitely active.
I left something where I shouldn't (rookie error), nature came and took back it's molecule(rain), and i lost the progress I had on the trunk bark.
So that brings me to where I am. After the smell and bioassay I felt the need to do a run on the root bark but it's left me bewildered to say the least.
It's just that strong aromatic smell that's putting me off. Like 500ml of evaporated kerosene strong.
I can't bring myself to go near it until i backsalt again and hit it with heptane.
(No I don't have heptane but leiocalyx deserves it in my opinion)

The Shellite that was used is very common in Australia. SDS sheet claims: 100% naphtha, < 30 n-hexane, < 0.1 benzene.

I've noticed reading through the nexus that people talk about a time when shellite pulling power in Australia was far superior to that what it is now.
An Interesting little side note for this solvent that I haven't seen anyone mention here is the old composition used to include <10% ethylbenzene. It's composition changed somewhere between 2015-2020.
Being such a close relative to xylene I can't help but wonder if this being removed is the main contributing factor to reduced yields compared to pre 2015.

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Very interesting.

I didn't know of good results with leiocalyx. Good to know, I've seen a few of them around over the years.

I'd be interested to know how the back salt goes.

That's really interesting to hear re ethylbenzene. It is quite possible that is responsible for the change if true. It would be around 2015 by my memory, maybe even a before that people reported changes to the common Australian shellite.

I had a friend who processed his shellite sometime last year. I think washing it with vinegar, then distilling it off, perhaps even drying it with some kind of salt somewhere in amongst that and he said the pulling power was much better, this is conjecture though because I never saw it with my own eyes.
 
Just to note, people do still get good results sometimes from Diggers Shellite. I'd recommend rinsing it. A couple years back, a friend and I rinsed it both separately with a mixture of ethanol and vinegar - as well as separately - and achieved lovely white sea urchins with A. acuminata.

Me.. I'd just go a different solvent or if DMT purity is a priority then a better brand of Shellite or Heptane/Hexane. But I'm not particularly concerned with DMT purity. Enough DMT so that I can still break through in a reasonably common dose, accompanied with some other alkaloids is just fine. :cool:
 
Very interesting.

I didn't know of good results with leiocalyx. Good to know, I've seen a few of them around over the years.

I'd be interested to know how the back salt goes.

That's really interesting to hear re ethylbenzene. It is quite possible that is responsible for the change if true. It would be around 2015 by my memory, maybe even a before that people reported changes to the common Australian shellite.

I had a friend who processed his shellite sometime last year. I think washing it with vinegar, then distilling it off, perhaps even drying it with some kind of salt somewhere in amongst that and he said the pulling power was much better, this is conjecture though because I never saw it with my own eyes.
Yeah they grow like weeds all along the mid east coast so it was my go-to first candidate.
I'll be sure to keep my progress posted once I have something worth talking about that also makes sense in my own head haha.

If one was going to persue distillation it would be heptane from starting fluid 😁
 
Hi all. I felt compelled to share my findings here about Acacia Pycnatha for those of us who live in areas where this species is invasive and therefore free pickings.
I was successful in extracting a yield of yellow crystals of about 300mg from about 200g of dried bark. Below is the first pull (100mg). I am positive I could have got more but unfortunately the bark began to saponify making further pulls impossible.
I used Cybs hybrid salt tek, using “benzine” as my NPS (essentially a mix of pentane, hexane and heptane) after checking it passed an evap test.
Bioassay confirmed it was DMT, probably with NMT in the mix as well. I don’t know how late to the party I am on this plant, but was surprised to find little discussion on it as I think it is definitely a viable source. I am curious as to whether the root bark will have higher yields but I don’t have time to test that at the moment. I also wonder if perhaps the young age of the trees had any effect on content?
 

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Hey this is really great stuff @rupp!

I’ve heard rumours of findings in pycnantha but to my knowledge no one has really shared their findings publically with bioassay and pictorial evidence. Congrats!

I tested the bark of some pycnantha many years ago in Victoria to no avail. I’d be interested to see whether you find the plant consistent.. I’d try the phyllodes too to compare yield.

Just one more thing.. your sure what you have is pycnantha? It should be flowering around now.. the plant in those photos has no old buds or forming buds/seed..
 
Hey this is really great stuff @rupp!

I’ve heard rumours of findings in pycnantha but to my knowledge no one has really shared their findings publically with bioassay and pictorial evidence. Congrats!

I tested the bark of some pycnantha many years ago in Victoria to no avail. I’d be interested to see whether you find the plant consistent.. I’d try the phyllodes too to compare yield.

Just one more thing.. your sure what you have is pycnantha? It should be flowering around now.. the plant in those photos has no old buds or forming buds/seed..
My identification comes from iNaturalist. Pycnantha has been continually popping up in the same spots for decades despite our best efforts. As for why it has not started flowering, I don’t know. The photos are from a couple weeks ago so perhaps that has something to do with it, as well as our slightly different climate (South Africa) from Australia.
Invasive acacias are quite well documented, and to the best of my knowledge none of them are more conventional DMT sources (the main ones are pycnantha, longifolia and port Jackson), so I am reasonably confident in saying it was pycnantha.
 
My identification comes from iNaturalist. Pycnantha has been continually popping up in the same spots for decades despite our best efforts. As for why it has not started flowering, I don’t know. The photos are from a couple weeks ago so perhaps that has something to do with it, as well as our slightly different climate (South Africa) from Australia.
Invasive acacias are quite well documented, and to the best of my knowledge none of them are more conventional DMT sources (the main ones are pycnantha, longifolia and port Jackson), so I am reasonably confident in saying it was pycnantha.
Hi rupp. I have pycnantha from SA using inaturalist as well. Looks exactly the same where I am, which could mean we're either in the same area or all SA pycnantha looks funny.
 


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