This is an acacia no doubt on the radar of many psychonauts since becoming interested in DMT. Its a fast growing, frost tolerant, foliage (and floral) abundant species which can contain good levels of tryptamines in its phyllodes.. making it an especially good candidate for people wishing to grow their own tryptamine source.. But many people have disappointing results with this species and unfortunately for many it is considered a fruitless pursuit.. meanwhile others report very good results. What’s going on? So far what we CAN for sure say that this species has a long history of cultivation, is incredibly variable in taxonomy both in the wild and in cultivation and lastly - variable in content of tryptamines.
Now that people abroad are growing the White Sally for this purpose, I think its a good idea to narrow down potentially contributing factors to this variance. I think that like Acacia Maidenii, we are probably looking at an issue of strain/genetics. There appear to many forms of this species .. some appear fruitful while others do not. Anecdotally there are some traits associated with active strains and the same for inactive strains. But there is sometimes crossover - making this species the perfect symbol of that old saying about DMT - it brings more questions than answers
But there are varieties that are known to yield. I would encourage any members here to collect seed from these varieties and to share it with members here and elsewhere. This way when testing plants in cultivation, certain variables can be eliminated or better understood. As an example.. a negative result from a young plant could very well be due to age.. but it might be a variety that isn’t active to begin with. So there’s no standard for comparison.
I think it is safe to say that most people don’t know the origins of the seed they are buying, and most probably buy off the first vendors yielded from a google search. It would be good to be certain from the beginning that the seed is from a confirmed active variety. This way the various results can be better understood. I think in some ways this species shares similarities to the Maidenii story.. a lot of hype, lots of negative results - some swear by it (myself included .. but with the right strain)- but the origins of its early reputation completely valid.
Its probably about time that this species was separated into various sub species.. It is present down much of the lower east coast Australia and into victorian hinterland. Area to area we see varying taxonomy. Sometimes drastically so .. to the point that it feels a little wrong to lump it all together.
In this thread I'd like to document the variability and its connection to alkaloids .. But I would love the help of others. I’ve seen so many positive and negative reports here at the nexus. It would be awesome if some of those people could jump in and tell us a little more iff possible.I really love this species ... it is immensely sentimental in my world and was the acacia that rendered me acacia obsessed. It has a gorgeous weeping habit.. emanating gentle energy to the observer. It truly is one of Australia’s ancient willows... And I'm happy to have experienced it's graceful tryptamine power.. I hope this information can allow others into its graceful bosom.
So this is my attempt at separating what I consider to be at least 3 different areas of variation which probably can be split into at least 3 or 4 different types .. there is some overlapping of course. (hybridisation could be at work here too)
Phyllode variation which I’ve separated into 3 main types:
1. stiff, glabrous and slightly leathery - usually observed in small bushy prostrate form. Often found in harsher/drier environments.
2. soft/papery texture with appressed hairs present (also on the stems) - present on the more weeping varieties.
3. soft/papery texture but glabrous - meaning little to no appressed hairs present - usually the more prostrate form
Phyllodes range from broad to narrow .. 2mm - 18mm .. the success stories in terms of phyllode qualities seem to be on the broader spectrum
Trunk Bark variation: 3 types I've seen...
1. smooth, almost shiny silver/grey bark - most common with the commercially planted variety - (coincides with phyllode no.3) I haven’t found these to be active
2. grey bark.. smooth to the eye but with a rougher sand papery texture. No "shin” present - (coincides with phyllode no.1)
3. light brown/grey bark with very long lenticels present.. smooth but less shiny than the first.. Until a certain age has only been observed growing as a single upward growing trunk in a more ‘tree” like fashion - once the trunk gets thick enough, it will often lie along the ground.. with many branches the size of whole trees. I associate it with the active varieties (exclusively correlates with no.2 and 3 type phyllodes)
Flowers:
3-8cm in length.. can range from very loose and long to shorter and “tight”
Colour: White through to pale yellow.
Growth Habits:
1. 1 main trunk sometimes splitting off into 2 or 3 large branches, weeping foliage with phyllodes alternating down the stem. Loosely packed white/pale inflorescences which can get quite long. Less commonly cultivated but is often grown in more wild areas. I saw this east and west of Melbourne and was reliable. These varieties didn’t seem too seasonally variable. Even after heavy rain had good amounts of alkaloids.
2. Erect growth habit with foliage occurring abruptly at the tops in bursts, rather than alternating down the stem. Similar habit to many desert species. More common in drier areas where it has been planted and am unsure whether it grows like this as a response to the environment or because that is in its genetics. I suspect in areas where it gets very cold foliage at the top of the tree would get more light. Commonly grown in the Northern tablelands NSW. Tight/short flower rods pale yellow.
3. Weeping growth habit but foliage occurring mostly in bursts at the ends of branches instead of alternating all the way down the weeping stem. Commonly seen in built up urban areas .. I never got good results with this form.
Photos of the different forms to come.. but the below are confirmed tryptamine varieties. Photos 3 and 4 are the same tree.. Council planted
[Edit.. I will continue adding photos of confirmed DMT containing varieties.. if anyone has photos they would like to share let me know and I will attach them to this post.. try to get photos that clearly show the tree's taxanomic qualities] the objective of this thread is to help make the seed of tryptamine containing varieties more easily attainable.
Floribunda researchers.. what were your findings?
Now that people abroad are growing the White Sally for this purpose, I think its a good idea to narrow down potentially contributing factors to this variance. I think that like Acacia Maidenii, we are probably looking at an issue of strain/genetics. There appear to many forms of this species .. some appear fruitful while others do not. Anecdotally there are some traits associated with active strains and the same for inactive strains. But there is sometimes crossover - making this species the perfect symbol of that old saying about DMT - it brings more questions than answers
But there are varieties that are known to yield. I would encourage any members here to collect seed from these varieties and to share it with members here and elsewhere. This way when testing plants in cultivation, certain variables can be eliminated or better understood. As an example.. a negative result from a young plant could very well be due to age.. but it might be a variety that isn’t active to begin with. So there’s no standard for comparison.
I think it is safe to say that most people don’t know the origins of the seed they are buying, and most probably buy off the first vendors yielded from a google search. It would be good to be certain from the beginning that the seed is from a confirmed active variety. This way the various results can be better understood. I think in some ways this species shares similarities to the Maidenii story.. a lot of hype, lots of negative results - some swear by it (myself included .. but with the right strain)- but the origins of its early reputation completely valid.
Its probably about time that this species was separated into various sub species.. It is present down much of the lower east coast Australia and into victorian hinterland. Area to area we see varying taxonomy. Sometimes drastically so .. to the point that it feels a little wrong to lump it all together.
In this thread I'd like to document the variability and its connection to alkaloids .. But I would love the help of others. I’ve seen so many positive and negative reports here at the nexus. It would be awesome if some of those people could jump in and tell us a little more iff possible.I really love this species ... it is immensely sentimental in my world and was the acacia that rendered me acacia obsessed. It has a gorgeous weeping habit.. emanating gentle energy to the observer. It truly is one of Australia’s ancient willows... And I'm happy to have experienced it's graceful tryptamine power.. I hope this information can allow others into its graceful bosom.
So this is my attempt at separating what I consider to be at least 3 different areas of variation which probably can be split into at least 3 or 4 different types .. there is some overlapping of course. (hybridisation could be at work here too)
Phyllode variation which I’ve separated into 3 main types:
1. stiff, glabrous and slightly leathery - usually observed in small bushy prostrate form. Often found in harsher/drier environments.
2. soft/papery texture with appressed hairs present (also on the stems) - present on the more weeping varieties.
3. soft/papery texture but glabrous - meaning little to no appressed hairs present - usually the more prostrate form
Phyllodes range from broad to narrow .. 2mm - 18mm .. the success stories in terms of phyllode qualities seem to be on the broader spectrum
Trunk Bark variation: 3 types I've seen...
1. smooth, almost shiny silver/grey bark - most common with the commercially planted variety - (coincides with phyllode no.3) I haven’t found these to be active
2. grey bark.. smooth to the eye but with a rougher sand papery texture. No "shin” present - (coincides with phyllode no.1)
3. light brown/grey bark with very long lenticels present.. smooth but less shiny than the first.. Until a certain age has only been observed growing as a single upward growing trunk in a more ‘tree” like fashion - once the trunk gets thick enough, it will often lie along the ground.. with many branches the size of whole trees. I associate it with the active varieties (exclusively correlates with no.2 and 3 type phyllodes)
Flowers:
3-8cm in length.. can range from very loose and long to shorter and “tight”
Colour: White through to pale yellow.
Growth Habits:
1. 1 main trunk sometimes splitting off into 2 or 3 large branches, weeping foliage with phyllodes alternating down the stem. Loosely packed white/pale inflorescences which can get quite long. Less commonly cultivated but is often grown in more wild areas. I saw this east and west of Melbourne and was reliable. These varieties didn’t seem too seasonally variable. Even after heavy rain had good amounts of alkaloids.
2. Erect growth habit with foliage occurring abruptly at the tops in bursts, rather than alternating down the stem. Similar habit to many desert species. More common in drier areas where it has been planted and am unsure whether it grows like this as a response to the environment or because that is in its genetics. I suspect in areas where it gets very cold foliage at the top of the tree would get more light. Commonly grown in the Northern tablelands NSW. Tight/short flower rods pale yellow.
3. Weeping growth habit but foliage occurring mostly in bursts at the ends of branches instead of alternating all the way down the weeping stem. Commonly seen in built up urban areas .. I never got good results with this form.
Photos of the different forms to come.. but the below are confirmed tryptamine varieties. Photos 3 and 4 are the same tree.. Council planted
[Edit.. I will continue adding photos of confirmed DMT containing varieties.. if anyone has photos they would like to share let me know and I will attach them to this post.. try to get photos that clearly show the tree's taxanomic qualities] the objective of this thread is to help make the seed of tryptamine containing varieties more easily attainable.
Floribunda researchers.. what were your findings?
