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Acacia obtusifolia vs Acacia podalyriaefolia 2nd UPDATE - warning 56k users!

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Drake

Drake

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So I been snooping around Wiki with the list of DMT containing Psychedelic plants section. A good number of plants I have taken note of, but maybe the most is Acacia podalyriaefolia.

Acacia Podalyriaefolia - Tryptamine in the leaf,[8] 0.5% to 2% DMT in fresh bark, phenethylamine, trace amounts[31]
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Possible 2% means its the greatest source of DMT in the world (excluding Phalaris brachystachys), well 0.5%-2%. Still very good amounts. And I looked up phenethylamine as I did not know wtf it was! Just seems to be some crap used as a supplement (correct me here, only really breifly looked up phenethylamine).

Someone give me an overview of what phenethylamine is? Dose it matter if "trace amounts" are mixed with DMT?

Another reason why I have most interest in Acacia podalyriaefolia, I think I got one growing next door :d ! Plus I have seen them around. I will be sure to get some photos tomorrow for sure though.

Another thing I was thinking, I think Acacia podalyriaefolia is faster growing then Acacia obtusifolia? My info on the differences of these two species are greatly limited. Differences of, rate of growth and how easy it is to care for them mainly.

I also know there is two topics on this plant, some guy in NZ area was trying hes luck as extract DMT from Acacia podalyriaefolia. I feel more confident with extracting from Acacia podalyriaefolias bark by following the DMT handbook. "He" was trying to get DMT from the leaves (why I don't know).

In the end, its unknown why Acacia podalyriaefolia is not regarded rather highly here in Australia? That guy (should get hes name :? ) sead something about not being able to, or having a hard to doing an extraction on the bark. Or maybe it was COLLECTING the bark was a problem? I am rather lazy, I cannot be bothered researching the topic, the going through the two he made 😉 .

Would like all advice and thoughts from everyone! Especially from other Aussies... *Looks at Smokey*.

Edit: Also i forgot to note. I read in Wiki that Acacia podalyriaefolia is very closely related to Acacia uncifera. Something that can be problematic.
 
I was going to say :shock: . Anyway. A very exciting update, I found a mini forest of Acacia podalyriifolia! More of a concentration of Acacia podalyriifolia really. But they are located close to the Highway, could this be a bad thing?

I have taken some specimens, and will get some photos of them when my mums camera is charged. If this is indeed Acacia podalyriifolia, I am gonna be a very happy tripper. There is even 5 or so little shrubs I can dig up and relocate them at my house :d . I have high hopes for this species! And a few more questions, but will ask them once I have posted the pictures.

Leave you all with some interesting info that I have found of a number of sites that contain info on Acacia podalyriifolia.
Key Benefits
Attractive foliage
Fast growing
Late winter blooming

Problem Solving Features
Fast growing
Withstands heat, drought
Provides quick shelter or windbreak
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A.podalyriifolia is a quick growing plant which may flower in its second year. It is very useful as a quick growing screening plant as it generally retains a bushy shape. The species is suited to a wide range of climates, particularly drier areas, although it can be effected by sooty mould in humid climates. It tolerates at least moderate frosts.
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The best fact so far: The species seeds freely and may tend to become invasive in natural bushland areas. It should not be planted in gardens in the vicinity of such areas.

In other words, possibly a good choice for someone who wants to grow there own DMT containing plant. Drawbacks, it needs its own garden area, probably could not be grown inside.
 
Last update I guess. photos as promised. But before anything! I have a simple question to make sure I am on the right track. The lower picture, the thin layer of "skin" that I have peeled back. This is the bark right (silly question I know)? Dose it matter if I use the bark from younger branches? I will also take this question of need for an I.D on this species to The Corroboree.

Also each photo is a sample from a different tree.



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A close up, to help with the I.D.

 
Good work. Keep us posted.

Regarding the NZ guy using the leaves. One advantage (if the leaves were active with nn), would be that pruning new leaves is more sustainable than pealing bark? Could any Aussi guys confirm this for me? If you were to be growing your own trees/shrubs, I imagine it would be much easier and sustainable to just prune new growth occasionally (pruning even promotes more new growth so it is doubly beneficial).

What's the alk% in obtusifolia regarding leaves vs bark? Been curious about simplicifolia also, anyone know much about that strain?
 
Well obtusifolia is meant to have 0.4-0.5% in dried bark, 0.07% in branch tips, so says Wiki. Yeah I have thought about extracting from leaves, but I have read in the other two topics on this species I have interest in that you would need to defat many times. Not 100% sure how this works.

But I know what you mean with the advantage. I will look into it anyway! Probably have more then Acacia Podalyriaefolia growing, to test these things out. But would not pruning some younger branches promote new growth anyway?

Oh by the way, like I sead... The skin being peeled back in the top picture, that's the bark yeah? It dose not matter if I use the bark from a younger branch? I hope I don't have to use from a older part of the tree.
 
Good work Drake I think you may be on to something

I have no exp with Acacia species you never hear anything about the rootbark and it seems to me if the bark is active the root bark should be active as well possible stronger that is the case with many other plants. I could look it up and find my answer but I am lazy today. anybody?

thanks
 
SWIM is jealous. It's probably VERY unlikely for SWIM to ever run into an Acacia Podalyriifolia in Holland where he lives.

SWIM really hopes to one day live in a sunny, (sub) tropical region of the world where he will cultivate yards full of A. Podalyriifolia in a mystical garden together with Salvia, Datura Inoxia, Cannabis, Peyote's, San Pedro's, Iboga and Psilocybe mushrooms.
 
hey just noticed this post/
so swim is the guy in nz who was attempting to extract from acacia podalyriaefolia. swim did try a stb on fresh leaves, and ended up with a very familiar smelling resin. i do think there was some nn in it, but swim did not try it. also didn't try another extraction on this species because the only plants he found were ornamental shrubs (still quite young, and in a neighbors yard). he couldn't justify scraping any bark! there were many other acacia species around, so proceeded to try a/b on two other species. swim is no longer in nz:( so must look for other sources. those pics you sent look quite identical, although swim never saw the flowering stage.
if you haven't already, maybe you would try extracting from the leaves/young branches, as well as bark/rootbark.
young growth would be a much more sustainable option, if it were viable.
swim is skeptical of the 2% dmt claim, but wouldn't that be remarkable!
if swim were back in nz, he would try the jorkest FASW method starting with acid wash. this would likely help remove plant oils.
keep us posted:)
 
Viciousend said:
I know it's a bit late but what you have there is indeed Acacia podalyraefolia.
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WOW, I have a 5m tree of that in my back yard, the wife bought it 5/6 years ago, It is identical to those photos, What a coincidence !!!!OMG
 
Hello good folks. I am also from Australia. Nice find and thanks for the discussion!!

My first comment is about the phyllodes/leaves being extracted over bacRk/rootbark. Taking bark from trees hurts and eventually can kill it. If the phyllodes/leaves have DMT in them, use them! Harvesting leaves and twigs DOES hurt the tree but nothing like taking bark.
As for the rootbark. DONT take it!! Acacias have sensitive roots and taking them can easily kill it! Don't be a fool just to go to hyperspace!!
I know the hunt for a local tree and extracting is exciting, ive been doing it for 6 years, but we want what is best for the trees :) the collective consciousness of the trees feel pain too!

I am in the same predicament with a. Maidenii. I have been I formed from many sources that the phyllodes have DMT. In fact they can even be substituted for p. Viridis(ive never tried).
The main problem I have is finding a reliable tek for the phyllode extraction. I tried cybs a/b tek but all I was left with was a bright yellowy/green fluid. Much like peeing after vit B.
 
Drake said:
And I looked up phenethylamine as I did not know wtf it was! Just seems to be some crap used as a supplement (correct me here, only really breifly looked up phenethylamine).

Someone give me an overview of what phenethylamine is? Dose it matter if "trace amounts" are mixed with DMT?
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Phenethylamine (PEA) is sometimes compared to amphetamine and methamphetamine, compounds which are closely related to PEA. PEA is a norepinephrine and dopamine reuptake inhibitor, like amphetamine and methamphetamine. But it is not a VMAT inhibitor, so it is not as strong and isn't addictive. PEA is also a D2 agonist which gives it a slight dissociative psychedelic edge. There are other small differences as well.

Due to extensive first pass metabolism, PEA without the proper enzyme inhibitors is essentially inactive until large doses are taken, at which point the effects become very uncomfortable due to the formation of unpleasant metabolites.

But MAO-B, MAO-A, and SSAO inhibitors can allow PEA to be active at lower doses, making it much more pleasant. The effects of PEA with inhibitors can be inconsistent from person to person. But it is possible to get a few hours of strong euphoria from properly activated PEA.

MAO-B and SSAO inhibitors work best but MAO-A inhibitors can work as well. The only problem with MAO-A inhibitors combined with PEA is that the MAO-A inhibitor will greatly potentiate the norepinephrine increase caused by the PEA.

MAO-A inhibitors with PEA in the right dose can be pleasant, but if the doses are too high then a hypertensive crisis could occur.

If the PEA in the acacia is only in traces, then it might not be enough to have much effect. But 200mg of PEA with a good dose of MAO-A inhibitors could possibly be enough to cause a hypertensive crisis for some people. So I would advise that you be very careful when combining PEA and MAO-A inhibitors. DMT also acts as a competitive MAO-A inhibitor, so this could make it more dangerous.

You should definitely start with low doses and work your way to higher doses with this combo, or else you might end up with a serious complication that is potentially fatal.

Smoking it on the other hand should not be as dangerous, especially if you don't take an MAOI. PEA does have effects when smoked, but they will probably be pleasant in combination with DMT. Caution is still advised.
 
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