Acacia podalyriifolia

[nen888]

Acacia podalyriifolia (Queensland Silver Wattle) is a common ornamental worldwide, and native to Australia.

..it has recently come to my attention that this plant has yielded the highest amounts of DMT yet found in an aussie acacia.

0.5-2.0% DMT, trace phenethylamine (Chemotaxonomie der Pflanzen By Robert Hegnauer 1994),

A.podalyriifolia image (wikipedia)

any field reports..?

 

[dreamer042]

I was under the impression that this tree contained no dmt?

do you have a reference for the it being the highest DMT yielding plant yet found in AU?

I found this at the corroboree here:

Acacia podalyriifolia

Has anyone had any experience with this particular wattle? Ive read that it has tryptamines in the leaves.....Any ideas what exactly is in it?

www.shaman-australis.com

Hey Guy! I realize this is an old post, but I kept finding it when I was researching this misleading Acacia species. The wiki is completely wrong about this tree containing DMT. Acacia Podalyriifolia contains NO DMT. I have 2 trees right out in front of my house and 3 more down the road in which I have sampled bark and leaves and done both an acid/base extract with HCL/NaOH and a dry extract with white vinegar/CaOH on all 5 samples and nothing comes out. I have used both these extraction methods successfully with Acacia Confusa and MHRB, so I know they work. The last extraction I stripped the poor trees inner bark by about 3 cm for nearly 500 grams... Still nothing.

So to save resources, trees, and peoples time... I am trying to find all the Acacia Podalyriifolia posts online and put and end to this hopeful but misleading idea that it contains up to 2% DMT. Sorry guys. Glad to have some one refute me though and prove me wrong because I'd kiss them! But if you do please provide details as to how you did the extracts... don't just say "I got some".

Oh, and I know for a fact they are the Acacia Podalyriifolia species because it identically matches descriptions and started to flower 2 weeks ago... exactly when it is suppose to with exact matching flowers... which triggered me to give it one last final attempt. I've also posted pictures in the NExus and it was confirmed by other members.

Thanks everyone!

~Jez

 

[nen888]

..thanks dreamer042..i do recall that particular negative report, but without a few more findings it's still an open question, to me.
e.g. longifolia (3 or 4 positive findings/ 6-8 negative).
i was told "don't bother with var. sophorae", which i now know to be premature advice.
also that forum was 2005 with no discussion since.
from the same forum:

I remember someone telling me that this species contained NMT the mono-methylated compound which is[sic.] inactive.
TLC did show a spot that may well have been this compound while DMT was not detected.

any more no, yes or maybe reports?

1 or 2 more web references report tryptamine in the (?) leaves.

i've simply had a re-agent postive on one sample, so i don't think there's 'nothing' in there 'ever'...

 

[soma_seeker]

I've heard nothing on this species one way or the other, so I can't constructively contribute here except to say wouldn't it be wonderful if there was a Queensland native species that held this quantity of actives

As far as I'm aware one has to travel further south to be confident of finding an active Acacia species (hopefully I'm wrong....).

Best of luck finding a conclusion, I'll be keen to hear it!

 

[SKA]

I also read A.Podalyriifolia had that insanely high DMT content. It was on Wikipedia and I believe their source is Trout's notes.
But checking the source-link at the bottom of the wiki-page brought me to a wierd Trout's notes-website that looked very unprofessional and hectic.
Couldn't find more about Acacia Podalyriifolia. I've been quite bent on obtaining and growing A.Podalyriifolia, but now I'm not so sure.

 

[nen888]

(Chemotaxonomie der Pflanzen By Robert Hegnauer 1994) Springer

this is the only quoted source, which i don't have myself. so if anyone does can you please double check.
however, i have taken notes from this reference when i had access a while ago, and Hegnauer's findings on other acacias correlate strongly with others tests..
a friend of mine ('M') did silico-tungusic acid reagent tests on a sample of leaf and got a DMT colour spot (referenced to P. viridis), no measurement
of % on this occasion.
[Trout's Notes (i believe) have to be either subscribed to, or purchased in print form (my vrsn.). If site inactive try searches.]
probably one for the dedicated researchers
but, based on past experience, i'd say not enough tests in enough different regions(& seasons) have been done to reach a conclusion yet.

beautiful tree to grow, anyway...

 

[wira]

The claim of DMT in this species is not supported by anything in Trout's Notes nor in Chemotaxonomie der Pflanzen. Who knows where that one came from!

 

[nen888]

..it's good to start pinning this information down, & this is certainly an interesting rumour..
i know that a number of acacias have been scientifically studied but not published (A.longifolia var.sophorae for example), but i can't access/make public this source right now..

..if someone sees an acacia and has a strong intuitive impulse they should try extracting it..only a very small number of formal tests have been done compared to what's out there...

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

In KTrouts book Some Simple Tryptamines the only entry for this species is under tryptamine.
The data reads:

Major alkaloid in stem and leaf, White 1951
Stem and leaf 0.29% total alkaloids, unripe seedpods 0.11% White 1957

From leaves. Balandrin et al 1978

Leaf and also stem bark negative for alkaloids by Smolenski et al 1973

So according to Trouts notes this species contains only tryptamine and doesn't always test positive for alkaloids.

The citations do not mention harvest time and it is known that alkaloid contents of acacia fluctuate, they are not the same year round, late fall and early winter seem to be times where alkaloids tend to be higher, sometimes plants that can have a decent alkaloid content for part of the year have none at other times, so try to consider that a lot of data is not conclusive.

 

[nen888]

..you're great with info. AlbertKLloyd !

..at least two species tested by White et al and said to contain Tryptamine have turned out to contain DMT..eg A. acuminata & A. longifolia..

does wira or anyone have the original paper..i want to see what kind of methodology could find tryptamine instead of dmt, or if infact the claim is "tryptamines", in the general sense..
1951 is not exactly the age of computer-assisted GCMS...

 

[wira]

I have the White papers, not the others. I don't have the chem-savvy to know exactly which bits of information will interest you (regards to your question), they are fairly detailed, but I'll be seeing you soon nen888, and will bring you some photocopies or scans

 

[--Shadow]

Acacia podalyriifolia (Queensland Silver Wattle) is a common ornamental worldwide, and native to Australia.

..it has recently come to my attention that this plant has yielded the highest amounts of DMT yet found in an aussie acacia.

0.5-2.0% DMT, trace phenethylamine (Chemotaxonomie der Pflanzen By Robert Hegnauer 1994),

A.podalyriifolia image (wikipedia)

any field reports..?

 

[atticus.paa.tal]

i have performed ATB (with and without post defat) extractions with acacia podalyriifolia, hcl and phos, 3 different trees (all mature) at different times of the year, summer, winter and autumn, leaves, bark and root bark... nothing, brown waxy gew/crumb that is definitely not active, harsh to test, although the extract from the leaves had that smell when burnt, maybe contains very small amounts, certainly not +2%... even tried stb on the leaves... I thought i may have mis identified the acacia so i asked a reliable character who knew his botany, id was confirmed, queensland silver wattle, first test was found at Mt Morgan, 2nd Chinchilla, 3rd Toowoomba... all NUDDA.

The original findings may have been contaminated or simply, mis identified, maybe there is a look alike somewhere...

 

[downwardsfromzero]

I would suggest changing the title of this thread to avoid wasting anyone else's time.