Acacia + Rue REPORT

[funkyhunky]

Testing a low dose of Acacia Root bark for potency. Diet was vegetarian 12 hours prior to dosing.

2.75 grams of powdered Acacia Confusa root bark was heated in 500 ml of distilled water and a pinch of fumaric acid for 3 hours at sub-boiling temperatures. Final volume was ~ 100 ml, filtered through paper towel.

This was repeated with the used substrate and the extracts were combined. Total volume ~ 200 ml. The combined extract was heated to a boiling temperature and an egg white was added to remove tannins. Once the egg white was fully cooked, the extract was filtered.

The acacia extract was placed in the freezer overnight.

The rue extract was prepared by grinding 2.75 grams of syrian rue and a pinch of fumaric acid and heating it in 100ml of distilled water for 1 hour, filtered afterwards.

T:-1 - Rue extract was consumed

T:-.5 - The acacia extract was thawed on stovetop. Sediment was noticed, so the extract was filtered again.

T:0 - The rue was producing a stoned feeling, so the acacia extract was consumed.

T:.5 - Coming up, shifting to dmt headspace

T:1 - Closed eye visuals noted, 2D kaleidoscope of geometric patterns, subdued yet bright colors. Very mild OEV's, Staring at a textured wall for an extended period of time homogenized the chaotic pattern, no fractals. Feeling loose and relaxed.

T:2 - Trip just starting to come down.

T:2.5 - Veil is gone.

T:3 - Closed eye visuals disappearing.

T:4 - Feel more stoned than trippy.

T:6 - Lingering effects.


Overall: A mild trip was experienced, perfect amount for testing the potency which is deemed to be average. No nausea.

Increasing dose to 5g acacia bark and 3.5 grams of rue would make for a proper trip.

 

[U gO]

maybe u have just to increase the acacia dosage and keep the same for the rue... IMAO are not responsible for the weakness of ur trip, just the low dose of acacia... increasing IMAO dose will not strenght ur experience!

 

[Enlightened_One]

maybe u have just to increase the acacia dosage and keep the same for the rue... IMAO are not responsible for the weakness of ur trip, just the low dose of acacia... increasing IMAO dose will not strenght ur experience!

I absolutely beg to differ... Increasing Any MAOI* will surely increase the duration and the depth/intensity of an experience...

With that being said, sounds like it was a successful mission in discovering the potency of the acacia... Your plan of 5 grams of acacia and 3.5 grams of rue sounds like tat should provide you with a deeper, longer journey in which will give you a better idea of potency and dosing.
I would love to hear your experience with that plan...I dose similar for a more casual experience, great for meditation and the like.
I look forward to it.

much love.

E.O.

 

[DesykaLamgeenie]

maybe u have just to increase the acacia dosage and keep the same for the rue... IMAO are not responsible for the weakness of ur trip, just the low dose of acacia... increasing IMAO dose will not strenght ur experience!

That is not true.

Increasing MAOI will increase the intensity of the experience. More MAOI = more potentiation.

Even when you take enough MAOI to hit full inhibition - which is definitely above 2.75 for some people - taking more will still have an effect due to what the MAOI of choice brings to the table on its own. Rue and Caapi both have effects of their own that increasingly show themselves as you up the dose, even past full MAO inhibition.

Granted, more Acacia while keeping the 2.75g rue will be effective...but adding even more rue will be even more effective.


Since this kind of thing is becoming more common here (or I'm just noticing it more):

To U gO and other new members - at the urge of stating something so authoritatively, PAUSE. Ask yourself "Do I know this for a fact? Or is this just what I think from my individual experience? (or lack thereof) Have I done enough reading or experimentation to know that this statement I have the urge to make isn't already wildly contradicted in the experience of many others?"

increasing IMAO dose will not strenght ur experience!

An exclamation mark even? Really?

:!:

 

[funkyhunky]

Meditative - That is a good description of the experience.

Full inhibition starts at around 2.5g of rue, meaning there's diminishing returns with larger doses in terms of trip intensity, however the experience definitely lasts longer with higher doses.

Keep in mind results vary by batch and from person to person.

 

[Husky]

Agreed also, I bumped my rue to 4.2g as opposed to 3 not too long ago (while taking a consistent brew dose), and the effects were much deeper, cleaner even.

What cookware did you use? That seems like such a small batch

 

[funkyhunky]

Update: 22 grams of acacia bark and 10 grams of syrian rue were prepared in a similar fashion to the first extraction above. The resulting brews were split between 2 people to an approximate 9:13 grams of acacia and 4:6 grams of syrian rue. Person A was the subject of the report above. Person B has not done acacia before.

T:-1 - Rue was consumed

T:0 - Rue effects are subtle but felt. Acacia brew consumed. Person A takes the smaller dose, 9 grams. Person B takes the larger dose, 13 grams.

T:3 Minutes - Person B purges the 13 gram dose due to intense nausea.

T:15 Minutes - Person A is not experiencing any nausea but induces vomiting as he doesn't want to be the only one tripping hard. Only a little bit of the 9 gram dose was purged

T:30 Minutes - Person A is feeling the comeup

T:45 Minutes - A and B have entered DMT headspace but B is not picking up visuals, probably due to his very early purge. Person A has definite visuals: vibrant colors, readily homogenizing textures, slight distortions, and CEV's that have much greater clarity than the previous trip, the best he's seen on any substance thus far. This is definitely a higher dose compared to the previous report. A "veil" with heavy visual distortions is quickly creeping in from A's peripherals, and worried about about it completely covering his vision, A induces purging and the veil recedes soon after. Person B vapes some weed since his trip is weak so far.

T:1.5 - Trip has not increased in intensity since the 1 hour mark. Person A's trip is equivalent to ~ 1.5 grams of shrooms, B is mostly stoned but still has a tripping headspace. Person A estimates that even though he took 9 grams of acacia, his premature purging reduced the effective dose to around 5 grams?

T:2.5 - Coming down

T:3 - Returning to baseline

T:4 - lingering effects

Remarks:

-Person B wishes they hadn't purged after 3 minutes. Undoubtedly the cause behind the weak trip, even though he took 13 grams of root bark tea

-Person A wishes they hadn't purged either as once he plateau'd he realized he would've liked to be tripping harder (happens every time). Person A has yet to "trip balls", but after seeing how crystal clear thought processes were on this trip he is feeling confident that he can handle a 9 gram acacia trip next time

-If it's possible a repeat of dosages will likely be done, perhaps with smaller liquid volumes to ensure purging does not impact the trip.