Activating Chi on NN-DMT?

[WallyG]

Hi all. I'm curious whether anyone else has experience of activating Chi (Qi) while on NN-DMT.

I have practiced Qigong for a few years and I've had some success in activating Chi. A while ago I felt the urge to do a Chi activation exercise at the tail end of a DMT session and found that it was more effective than normal. Since then I've tried a few times with varying levels of success.

This morning however, on the tail end of a mild dose (definitely sub-breakthrough) the build-up of energy was so powerful that I had to stop for fear of exploding. I've read a bit about Kundalini Syndrome and while I don't know if it's real, I don't want to risk it.

I did find and old Nexus discussion here, but that was more about whether Chi is real and if so, whether you can knock people over using it. I know that it exists as a force within the body, because I have experienced it, and I'm not particularly interested in knocking people over.

But I am keen to know if anyone has experience of the effects of DMT on it, or is aware of any literature on the subject.

 

[universecannon]

Techniques like Qigong definitely come alive on psychedelics in general. Idk about the claims of knocking others over lol but I've had a number of experiences that would fit the category of seeing/feeling chi or biofields or resonance fields or whatever we want to call it, around myself and others, usually through LSD and small hits of DMT

5-meO-DMT might be more conducive for this kind of work but I haven't tried it yet

As far as literature goes, The Psychedelic Mind Meld touches on practical ways to engage with this stuff though I think the most powerful techniques aren't really written about yet in a modern context

 

[Here&Now]

In my experience, 5-MeO-DMT is a million times more effective for this specific goal. A breakthrough (or even a high-dose sub-breakthrough) will strongly activate the phenomenon of bodily energy that's been described by spiritual practitioners forever.

It was discussed in a lot of detail in this thread: 5-MeO-DMT - Hype or Hyperbole?

 

[WallyG]

In my experience, 5-MeO-DMT is a million times more effective for this specific goal.

My limited experience of 5-MeO-DMT has been extremely energetic (if that's the right word) but way beyond my control. Maybe I just need to practice the 5 more. I know Martin Ball is a strong advocate for energy work on 5, but within what sounds like a fairly rigid framework.

 

[Here&Now]

My limited experience of 5-MeO-DMT has been extremely energetic (if that's the right word) but way beyond my control. Maybe I just need to practice the 5 more. I know Martin Ball is a strong advocate for energy work on 5, but within what sounds like a fairly rigid framework.

It's a lot easier to navigate the experience when using lower doses. It sounds like you already have an awareness practice of your own, and that's something that can be applied in the midst of a 5-MeO-DMT experience. In that sense, you can create your own framework through discovery. You could almost think of it as what steroids are to weight lifting. The steroids provide a huge boost towards success in the endeavor of strength and muscle, but the weight lifting itself is the most vital aspect. 5-MeO-DMT is great, but you need to learn how to harness that awesome power via your own meditative skills.

 

[WallyG]

It's a lot easier to navigate the experience when using lower doses

That sounds like good advice. I know my last 5 trip was more extreme than I'm keen to repeat any time soon.

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

I've read a bit about Kundalini Syndrome and while I don't know if it's real, I don't want to risk it.

There's a book called Kundalini: The Evolutionary Force of Man by a guy named Gopi Krishna, who writes in detail about his awakening. A dissatisfied office worker, he practiced meditation every morning before work. Whatever technique he was using emphasized the rising of Qi up the spine, but not down the front midline (or Ren meridian/channel). He wrote that he was very sick for a number of years before he got a handle on circulating the energy through his body.

Personally, I tried doing the Microcosmic Orbit technique on the tail end of an aya dose (a session that was unremarkable beyond slight nausea and cloudlike colors shifting on the ceiling). Because my Ren channel was somewhat blocked due to nausea, I wound up having a seizure. I was completely conscious during the episode, which lasted less than a minute, and was able to pull myself out of it.

Caution is always a wise course of action.

 

[WallyG]

There's a book called Kundalini: The Evolutionary Force of Man

Thanks TGP. I'll check it out.

Caution is always a wise course of action.

Wise words.

 

[woogyboogy]

To be fair I haven't taken a strictly serotonergic psychedelic in years, basically since I started going quite deep into my Qi Gong practice. But I did take MDMA once in that period and even that made the "Qi" fairly noticeable. It depends a bit which type of Qi you're talking about as there are different layers, but once you kind of know the feeling/understand the texture I think it should be fairly easy to tap into and work with it on pretty much any psychedelic even weed.

Whether doing any focused energetic work in that state is wise is another question, and I'm personally leaning towards no.
If you do any sort of heavy, regular Qi, or Pranayama practice that mechanic will anyway already be built into your body and the substance will likely bring it out (it did for me on MDMA which is my only reference here) but to actively try to work with it in that state imo is risky, especially if you know how to make it work. You might be able to move and influence it beyond the capacity of what you're system is able to handle, but I'm def not speaking in absolutes here, as I've avoided this specific self-experiment so far.

 

[WallyG]

It's a lot easier to navigate the experience when using lower doses.

I tried taking your advice but obviously miscalculated. A 4 second inhalation when 2 or 3 would have done. But once the universe reformed and I was me again I tried a very tentative exercise and it was indeed powerful.

I tried doing the Microcosmic Orbit technique on the tail end of an aya dose

Yes, that's what I tried. One circuit was enough and I had to rest for several minutes before repeating. Thankfully, no siezure.

Whether doing any focused energetic work in that state is wise is another question

You may well be right that it's not wise, I guess the coming days may tell.

 

[Here&Now]

I tried taking your advice but obviously miscalculated. A 4 second inhalation when 2 or 3 would have done. But once the universe reformed and I was me again I tried a very tentative exercise and it was indeed powerful.

I'm sorry, I should have been more detailed in my advice. When using 5-MeO-DMT for this purpose, the plugging ROA would be ideal (or IM/subq injection if that's your thing). The duration is longer and the experience is smoother. It's much more conducive towards perceiving the energetic phenomena that naturally comes up as you go from a gross mental state to subtle and then causal.

You mentioned kundalini in your original post. Among psychedelics, 5-MeO-DMT is particularly effective for causing kundalini to occur. And as for your concern about kundalini syndrome, you're right to be worried about that. It can happen, and it's as disruptive as you've probably read about. So be sure to experiment with due caution.

 

[WallyG]

So be sure to experiment with due caution.

Thanks Here&Now. I will do my best.

 

[universecannon]

Whether doing any focused energetic work in that state is wise is another question, and I'm personally leaning towards no.
If you do any sort of heavy, regular Qi, or Pranayama practice that mechanic will anyway already be built into your body and the substance will likely bring it out (it did for me on MDMA which is my only reference here) but to actively try to work with it in that state imo is risky, especially if you know how to make it work. You might be able to move and influence it beyond the capacity of what you're system is able to handle, but I'm def not speaking in absolutes here, as I've avoided this specific self-experiment so far.

I think it's relatively safe so long as you listen to your body, take it slow and don't push it too far too quickly. Sort of like with yoga/stretching in deep medicine states - it seems I'm far more flexible than when sober, but muscles aren't necessarily ready for that even if your CNS is, and you need to be careful to avoid a muscle tear.

To be fair I haven't taken a strictly serotonergic psychedelic in years, basically since I started going quite deep into my Qi Gong practice. But I did take MDMA once in that period and even that made the "Qi" fairly noticeable. It depends a bit which type of Qi you're talking about as there are different layers, but once you kind of know the feeling/understand the texture I think it should be fairly easy to tap into and work with it on pretty much any psychedelic even weed.

I've only used MDMA a sparing amount of times but it seems quite useful, and surprisingly visual for me in the 100-150mg range though I seem sensitive to it. I've been doing some weird LSD sessions with sound and large amethyst crystals lately (high frequency phononic resonators and quartz singing bowls) and it seems to have altered how MDMA effects me now. I was seeing/feeling stable purple fluorescent fields around a friend on 100mg MDMA and a bit of cannabis a few weeks ago but we didn't do much energy work that night.

I don't think I'd ever need over 100mg but I'm mostly interested in using it to smooth out the rough edges of LSD and help activate the heart. I think LSD is one of the most useful medicines there is but relaxing deep into it takes a lot of practice or some of us, but that's when it truly shines