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Adding more water to Soup

Franklin2100

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Hello every space traveler out there.
I have a question.
So, I already added Naptha to the Soup and did all required steps like heating the soup in a warm bath with the Naptha mixed with the lye and mimosa powder.
Here's the thing ;
The Naptha that I see is around 20 ML and I added 80 ML of Naptha. I can see 3 layers. The dark liquid and another tan sandy liquid between the 20 ML of Naptha and the dark liquid. The tan sandy liquid in between the soup seems to be about 60 ML so I assume that that's where the remaining Naptha is. The question is this, should I add more water and lye but won't that mess up the yield or the Naptha since it will touch the newly added water and lye ?
Thanks ! 😊
 
Hey Physics 101,
Hope all is well .
Well, I just figured it out.
First time extracting while just soaking the bottle with the soup in it with boiling water and I just needed to give it some time it seems. I thought that it would've seperated after an hour but it seems that I may need to just leave it alone all day and wait .
Thanks
 
Hey Physics 101,
Hope all is well .
Well, I just figured it out.
First time extracting while just soaking the bottle with the soup in it with boiling water and I just needed to give it some time it seems. I thought that it would've seperated after an hour but it seems that I may need to just leave it alone all day and wait .
Thanks
Hello, welcome to the Nexus!

Emulsions can take while to separate depending on how small the particles are, as well as things like various kinds of plant material at the polar/non-polar interface. Glad it worked out for you with a little patience. Techniques for breaking persistent emulsions have been discussed in the forum time and again over the years, so there's plenty of insight to be found with little background reading should you ever turn out to need it:
 
Hey Physics 101,
Hope all is well .
Well, I just figured it out.
First time extracting while just soaking the bottle with the soup in it with boiling water and I just needed to give it some time it seems. I thought that it would've seperated after an hour but it seems that I may need to just leave it alone all day and wait .
Thanks
Hey and welcome @Franklin2100
All fine ty mate. Hopefully for you as well :)
Ye sounds really like an emulsion.
Good luck with the extraction and you could keep us up track if you wish so.
Do not hesitate if something goes wrong or if you are unsure about something.
 
Hello, welcome to the Nexus!

Emulsions can take while to separate depending on how small the particles are, as well as things like various kinds of plant material at the polar/non-polar interface. Glad it worked out for you with a little patience. Techniques for breaking persistent emulsions have been discussed in the forum time and again over the years, so there's plenty of insight to be found with little background reading should you ever turn out to need it:
Glad to be here Transform and I will definitely check out the other threads on the subject to boost them techniques😁. Thanks and hope to get to know the community and mods better along the way !!
 
Hey and welcome @Franklin2100
All fine ty mate. Hopefully for you as well :)
Ye sounds really like an emulsion.
Good luck with the extraction and you could keep us up track if you wish so.
Do not hesitate if something goes wrong or if you are unsure about something.
Awesome and same, all is well and dandy always with the guidance and relief of the ability to experience infinity and see some interdimensional friends often. Thanks for the warm welcome and assurance. It's always great to have support amongst ye universal mechanics.
 
Hey and welcome @Franklin2100
All fine ty mate. Hopefully for you as well :)
Ye sounds really like an emulsion.
Good luck with the extraction and you could keep us up track if you wish so.
Do not hesitate if something goes wrong or if you are unsure about something.
I got 300 mgs from 40 grams of mimosa.
I've heard that the yield is around 1 to 2%...
Maybe there's more in the soup ?
Or is that around a good amount to pull ?
 
It could either be something in the soup or the potency of the bark.
As you already used a lot of solvent I guess it is the potency of the bark.
But you could try to make a very small pull and freeze only the single pull.
If dmt crashes out then there is still something in the soup.

The last time I extracted I did not get more then 2-3g from 500g bark.
I tired different TEKs with the same bark and the result was very identical.
 
Just my 2 cts:
Rule of thumb: at room temperature naphtha can dissolve roughly 30mg produce per ml, which will drop to 1mg per ml at -20°C, precipitating up to 29-ish mg out.

If you have 40gr of MHRB you can expect anything between under 400mg all the way up to (if you are extremely lucky) 800mg as yield.
This means that in theory you could (depending on the quality of your bark) extract all with 14ml á 27ml naphtha. In theory, in practice you wont load it all up in one pull.

If you would add (say) 100ml naphtha, that will load the produce just fine, but when precipitating it will keep 100mg produce dissolved (locked) in the solvent (that you can then use again for a next pull, or evaporate). So don't go overboard with the solvent. Since you used 80ml, roughly 80mg of your produce will still be in the naphtha after freezing.

If you mix the soup very hard, it will take a (very) long time to separate. You should mix (swirl, roll, or turn upside down and up right again) just hard enough so the solvent layer is all gone, but then stop mixing soon after, and give it a chance to separate again. That way it wont take hours. And you reduce the risk of emulsion.

Also, you could, after adding the solvent, mark the line between solvent and water, so you know when it has separated fully.

Do several pulls, at least three, with less naphtha each time. I like to freeze the pulls separately, so empty pulls wont grab produce from good pulls and lock the produce in the solvent. This way I can also monitor if its worth to do another pull.

When I pulled the bark soup empty, I always evaporate the solvent after freezing, to get the locked produce out as well. Or I keep it for the next batch.
 
Just my 2 cts:
Rule of thumb: at room temperature naphtha can dissolve roughly 30mg produce per ml, which will drop to 1mg per ml at -20°C, precipitating up to 29-ish mg out.

If you have 40gr of MHRB you can expect anything between under 400mg all the way up to (if you are extremely lucky) 800mg as yield.
This means that in theory you could (depending on the quality of your bark) extract all with 14ml á 27ml naphtha. In theory, in practice you wont load it all up in one pull.

If you would add (say) 100ml naphtha, that will load the produce just fine, but when precipitating it will keep 100mg produce dissolved (locked) in the solvent (that you can then use again for a next pull, or evaporate). So don't go overboard with the solvent. Since you used 80ml, roughly 80mg of your produce will still be in the naphtha after freezing.

If you mix the soup very hard, it will take a (very) long time to separate. You should mix (swirl, roll, or turn upside down and up right again) just hard enough so the solvent layer is all gone, but then stop mixing soon after, and give it a chance to separate again. That way it wont take hours. And you reduce the risk of emulsion.

Also, you could, after adding the solvent, mark the line between solvent and water, so you know when it has separated fully.

Do several pulls, at least three, with less naphtha each time. I like to freeze the pulls separately, so empty pulls wont grab produce from good pulls and lock the produce in the solvent. This way I can also monitor if its worth to do another pull.

When I pulled the bark soup empty, I always evaporate the solvent after freezing, to get the locked produce out as well. Or I keep it for the next batch.
This beats trial and error and just gives me an advantage on my trials.
Thanks for the advice.
Question: How do you evaporate the solvent ?
 
Ah, makes sense.
So evaporate then freeze again ?
If you don't evaporate it completely, yes.

Another option is to wash the solvent with vinegar. DMT passes into the vinegar, which can then be processed in one of the usual ways to recover a bit more useful product.

However, if you're intending to perform another extraction in the future, and have a means of safely storing the naphtha, the DMT might as well stay in there as you'll end up with the same situation again after a subsequent freeze precipitation.
 
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