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Advice about DMT sensitivity?

saxbari

saxbari

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Hi- wondering if anybody has any insight. I had a DMT experience about a month and a half ago. My buddy, who I talked about this stuff with, was very interested in trying it. He is an experienced mushroom and acid user, among with other substances. He bought a pen. I went over to his place, charged up the pen, and watched as he took two large pulls. He experienced no effect. He did expel a fair amount of Vape vapor. He had trouble holding it in, but managed to, for long enough - I think. He experienced nothing. I decided to take one, although I was not prepared necessarily. I took a long slow pull, about 8 seconds or so, and exhaled. I definitely felt it, although I did not leave this plane. I was experiencing lots of geometric/ Central American/ frog and toad based visuals and time and auditory distortion. It tried to take me out of my head, but I did not go with it, and stayed in the area between worlds, and I think much more this one than the other. Anyway - that's not really the point. The point is that it definitely works, and he has tried three more times since then, and still nothing. Any suggestions? He was rather disappointed, given the profound nature of the experience I have described. Thank you in advance for your input! I may have to try again, myself- mine was a brief yet intense and somewhat mild experience.
 
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For a rare few, nothing happens. What is your friends sensitivity like for other psychedelics? Do they need large doses to get anywhere? One option may be to increase the dose.
Have they been on SSRIs? They can blunt the effects.

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Voidmatrix said:
For a rare few, nothing happens. What is your friends sensitivity like for other psychedelics? Do they need large doses to get anywhere? One option may be to increase the dose.
Have they been on SSRIs? They can blunt the effects.

One love
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Hello! Thank you very much for your reply and insight. He can tolerate extremely large doses of mushrooms, like about 10 G, but he can feel it at lower doses. I watched him do three large pulls off of a pen with absolutely no effect yesterday evening. He tried several times in the early morning last night, to no effect. He is not taking ssris. He does take an snri however. It is another kind of antidepressant. Would this block the effects, do you think?
 
He hasn't taken those since Monday night. I just watched them take another large pull with absolutely no effect.
 
SNRI could be part of this overall conundrum, but I'm not sure as I'm not as familiar with varying interactions of SNRIs as I am SSRIs.

One option, and not a recommendation mind you, is to take a break from said SNRIs and then try again. Again, not a recommendation. If they feel it's necessary, speak with their doctor first.

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Thank you very much! He has taken a couple days off from the snris, just because. He just tried another one in front of me, no luck. I guess is one of those guys who doesn't work for! He is upset about it, he really wants to experience this stuff. I told him how profound it is and he sure is into taking a journey. Well, thank you very much for your input. At least there is always psilocybin.
 
SNRIs do seem to reduce the effect of serotonergic psychedelics:

Attenuation of psilocybin mushroom effects during and after SSRI/SNRI antidepressant use - PubMed

SSRI/SNRIs appear to weaken psilocybin drug effects relative to a non-serotonergic antidepressant. This dampening effect may last as long as 3 months following antidepressant discontinuation.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Quitting for a few days doesn't seem to be enough to recover sensitivity:
This dampening effect may last as long as 3 months following antidepressant discontinuation
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Hi, blig-blug! Thanks for that article. I shall read it and share with my friend. He seems to be able to experience psilocybin without a problem, although he takes large doses as a matter of course. It is DMT that is the problem... as I said in my previous replies to voidmatrix. It was not affecting my friend, but he said that he really wanted to watch me enjoy it, he said, so I did.

I wasn't sure if it was the greatest idea, but I had been wanting to try it again, so I set an intention of healing, and took one fairly small hit. It was good, not overwhelming, as intended, with good yet certainly not over the top oev and cev. They were all very Middle American, like Mayan or Aztec, images I was seeing.

I mentioned to my friend, after it was wearing off, that everything had been telling me to take more, while I was in that state. He was supportive and encouraging of that idea, although I wasn't sure if it was a good one. However, because I had been having that feeling, I did take another, after some thought. It was about the same size of a hit, and was somewhat more intense due to the presence of spice still in my system, I think. I was seeing some very interesting visuals that I could see and understand sort of as being representative of deeper dimensions, shapes writhing and churning out of hidden dimensions, uncurling themselves as I watched. I saw something which looked like what resembled a version of a dragon kite, with a horizontal diamond shaped head like a fractal dragon, coming towards me and looking at me. That was a little bit frightening because of some connotations of serpent-like imagery... I had not let go enough/ taken enough spice. I did not understand the significance of that image in the mythology of the mesoamerican region. I looked it up after and soon found that I was rereading stuff I had read about Kukulkan. It was a good exercise in setting the desire to let go and be open to that state, however. I'm still pretty new to this.

Around this time, my friend got up and cranked on the TV, which was disturbing, and started loudly doing dishes... And preparing a snack... He was quite upset and thought I was playing a trick on him - again! I tried to hang on but I got a little freaked out... The mild yet intense visuals continued briefly then started to wear off.. I tried to continue but it felt like a wall went up in front of the visuals of the fractal feathered serpent. The trip ended in a somewhat unsettling way for me. He became uncommunicative and tried to sleep on his couch, or pretended to anyways.

I mention my trip experience because setting, which had been good, changed when he cranked the TV on and started clanging about, somewhat upset. I became self-conscious and it wasn't as nice of an ending. Setting is definitely important, I think!

Thank you for the literature, and I shall peruse very soon.
 
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saxbari said:
Hi- wondering if anybody has any insight. I had a DMT experience about a month and a half ago. My buddy, who I talked about this stuff with, was very interested in trying it. He is an experienced mushroom and acid user, among with other substances. He bought a pen. I went over to his place, charged up the pen, and watched as he took two large pulls. He experienced no effect. He did expel a fair amount of Vape vapor. He had trouble holding it in, but managed to, for long enough - I think. He experienced nothing. I decided to take one, although I was not prepared necessarily. I took a long slow pull, about 8 seconds or so, and exhaled. I definitely felt it, although I did not leave this plane. I was experiencing lots of geometric/ Central American/ frog and toad based visuals and time and auditory distortion. It tried to take me out of my head, but I did not go with it, and stayed in the area between worlds, and I think much more this one than the other. Anyway - that's not really the point. The point is that it definitely works, and he has tried three more times since then, and still nothing. Any suggestions? He was rather disappointed, given the profound nature of the experience I have described. Thank you in advance for your input! I may have to try again, myself- mine was a brief yet intense and somewhat mild experience.
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One of the things that has interested me about smoked DMT is the variability in intensity with the same dosage.

One thing that will surely increase and potentiate intensity is to drink some rue tea an hour or so before, or smoke some rue seeds or rue hash (made by boiling down the tea from brewing the seeds).

That said, sometimes I have taken a few good tokes on the bong and got minimal effects. Other times I have taken what I considered to be a smallish pull and been blasted to new depths. Since this is with changa or enhanced leaf, my initial thoughts were of uneven distribution of the DMT but I realized thats not it after the phenomena occurred many times.

I've come to realize that with DMT or DMT with Harmalas, sensitivity to your intent, purpose, why you are using and general mindset play a huge factor, much more than with other psychedelics. The well known "lock-out" that can occur from misuse or overuse, where the higher consciousness does not become accessible is a sign of this and not something I have seen reported with LSD or shrooms.
Likewise the more you work on yourself outside of tripping, the more you will get the trips you are meant to get and the depths of the beauty of eternity will unfold as they should.

So thats something to consider.
 
Panpsychic said:
One of the things that has interested me about smoked DMT is the variability in intensity with the same dosage.

One thing that will surely increase and potentiate intensity is to drink some rue tea an hour or so before, or smoke some rue seeds or rue hash (made by boiling down the tea from brewing the seeds).

That said, sometimes I have taken a few good tokes on the bong and got minimal effects. Other times I have taken what I considered to be a smallish pull and been blasted to new depths. Since this is with changa or enhanced leaf, my initial thoughts were of uneven distribution of the DMT but I realized thats not it after the phenomena occurred many times.

I've come to realize that with DMT or DMT with Harmalas, sensitivity to your intent, purpose, why you are using and general mindset play a huge factor, much more than with other psychedelics. The well known "lock-out" that can occur from misuse or overuse, where the higher consciousness does not become accessible is a sign of this and not something I have seen reported with LSD or shrooms.
Likewise the more you work on yourself outside of tripping, the more you will get the trips you are meant to get and the depths of the beauty of eternity will unfold as they should.

So thats something to consider.
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This is why even 10mg of freebase alone makes me nervous... I've been relatively far for that amount. Who am I kidding, there was a time 6mg gave me WAY more than I bargained for. As far as I'm concerned, I shouldn't have seen anything, yet, there I was, seeing things.

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Voidmatrix said:
This is why even 10mg of freebase alone makes me nervous... I've been relatively far for that amount. Who am I kidding, there was a time 6mg gave me WAY more than I bargained for. As far as I'm concerned, I shouldn't have seen anything, yet, there I was, seeing things.

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On a couple of occasions around 5mg, the experience presented robustly. It was unexpected and astounding.
 
Panpsychic said:
The well known "lock-out" that can occur from misuse or overuse, where the higher consciousness does not become accessible is a sign of this and not something I have seen reported with LSD or shrooms
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Just as a side note, Stanislav Grof reported a similar phenomenon when researching LSD for therapy in the late 50s. Some people were very refractory to the effects of LSD, to the point that even very heavy doses had minimal effects. However, after some psychological work, they suddenly had very intense experiences, so it was not a physiological effect.

However, this phenomenon does seem to be much less common with LSD.
 
Long-acting antidepressants, like fluoxetine, can take weeks to leave your body. Others would take a week or so. Plus, I think they have lingering effects even after they leave your system.
Anyway, tell him to quit the antidepressant for a few weeks and then smoke on top of a dose of Psilocybin. :)
 


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