Advice on challenging mushroom trips please

[Davski]

That's the way of mushrooms also for me, I've never had mushroom experience without this unpleasant component of rumination, going through my fails, despair, negativism and so on. I would consider it not working properly if that happens.
Mushrooms are 'harsh love' type of teacher.

Maybe one recommendation from me is to try other shrooms than cubes. Not that they are different in this aspect, but cubes are somehow more dark.

Other plant teachers are different and you would likely appreciate mescaline, imo it 's 'gentle love' type of teacher.

It helps me reading that you have had challenging mushroom experiences too and having these mean the shrooms are helping us. Thats interesting too hear that cubes can be on the darker side as not heard thatvother mushrooms maybe abit less harsh.

I think I will chop my S.P cactus at somepoint as this is the 2nd time I have heard about mescaline. Its funny as I only repotted her the other day so has been on my mind prior to my post and the helpful comments, gentle teaching sounds better than the brutal teaching I keep having. But i have to remember the shrooms are definitely helping and i have immense gratitude for this.

 

[Davski]

For rainbows and flowers take mdma or 2cb. Even mescaline can get dark and mushrooms are like top of the list for me. At real psychedelic doses the only thing I fear more is 5-MeO-DMT. Iboga and ayahuasca feel easier and maybe I am just odd.

5-MeO-DMT is one i am curious about but I feel I need to build my confidence with N,N-DMT as I am still not going as far as I could with it. I have watched a number of interviews and talks on 5 and its very interesting.
I certainly have some time before I will meet 5-MeO-DMT, just N,N-DMT make me anxious just thinking about doing it even thou I have had some many experiences. It feels the more I do it the more anxious I get doing it and I stay stuck at 25mg on my emesh.

 

[new_science]

Hey Davski,

I like dosing harmalas between 100 and 200mg. What I've had access to has been a mixture of harmine and harmaline. Sometimes I take a little more if the extract is crude/unrefined as my self-made often is. If you are curious about cactus I would certainly recommend giving that a go as well. The CIELO extraction method is one of the most elegant teks I've ever had the pleasure of following.

 

[Davski]

Did anyone mention psilohuasca yet? Go easy on the shrooms though… Nor is this a guarantee of 'easier' trips - possibly quite the opposite, at least in terms of sheer weirdness.

I have looked into psilohuasca and it makes me anxious due to the length of time it increases the journey. I like the idea of vaporhuasca that I did the other day but a very low dmt dose of 10mg to test the waters and I will be doubling the dmt next time.
I also like the idea of taking dmt orally with maoi but I dont know if im ready for that yet.
I have ideas but the anxiety likes to come knocking unfortunately, on a postive I will be making some changa soon and I think that maybe a rewarding experience as read very positive experiences with it.

 

[Davski]

"Bliss is any emotion fully felt." —Joseph Campbell

When i hear folks say: i don't do higher doses of x because it makes me feel blank I think of that quote. And also one of my own quotes remixed from something Stan Grof said: Psychological healing is a byproduct of the mystical path.

Both of these ideas are part of my approach to this work. I believe in the plants and their capacity to transform. And I am wildly curious about consciousness. I don't worry so much about the actual experience or, like in consensus reality, i try not to attach to any particular outcome—not that I am always successful, but increasingly so with practice and time. But if you keep doing this work, in the right way, there is less and less of you causing drag. There is an undeniable shedding at work in the most liberating sense.

This is something that Ram Dass talks about: i do not suffer anxiety anymore because i'm good with whichever way things roll.

I love that. it's a simple idea, but revolutionary in it's application. Psychedelics and meditation are transformative (in part) because they expand your definition of self.
Part of me can be flipping the f* out for whatever reason—and believe me when i say there has been darkness—and another, stronger part of me can be in total control: hold your face to the fire, son, and stay on course because this is a warrior's path (yes, sometimes i call myself son).

I really like that expression you wrote "Psychological healing is a byproduct of the mystical path." I definitely believe this to be true and would like to keep moving forward on my mystical path.

The Ram Das quote i need to remember as I feel that is helpful regarding my OCD puppet that likes too mess with me, having acceptance, not paying attention too it, embrace uncertainty is how I can get the puppet to go quiet.

 

[Davski]

I think some peoples nervous systems are too burnt out to deal with trying to white knuckle their way through hard trips though.

I certainly couldn't imagine going pass 4g of JMF at the mo, i had too drop down to 3gs and even that is pretty intense and challenging. Its interesting as I have had alot of unfortunates and struggles in my life so far so maybe my nervous systems is rather fragile. When I here higher mushroom dosages I couldnt imagine going there, certainly not for sometime at least.

 

[Jamie01]

I’m afraid to go past a gram these days. I usually take even less and just smoke a little DMT while peaking.

 

[Davski]

Hey Davski,

I like dosing harmalas between 100 and 200mg. What I've had access to has been a mixture of harmine and harmaline. Sometimes I take a little more if the extract is crude/unrefined as my self-made often is. If you are curious about cactus I would certainly recommend giving that a go as well. The CIELO extraction method is one of the most elegant teks I've ever had the pleasure of following.

I will look into that extraction method in abit thanks, I like doing extractions.

 

[Davski]

I’m afraid to go past a gram these days. I usually take even less and just smoke a little DMT while peaking.

I can see how it can get tiring taking mushrooms, I really like the honesty on nexus. I thought not many have challenging trips, I know people do have difficulties but on other pages I have looked at so many write or talk about the most amazing mushroom trips. I will probably take another 3gs in a couple weeks or so but maybe going less I will still get a good 2 to 3 weeks of better mental health. Im thinking microdosing is looking at a more viable option down the road as it were.
A couple weeks ago I did a couple acid tabs and had three rounds on DMT, each one only being 15mg and the first two were amazing OEV, ego and awareness was very much in this reality, the third one wasn't so good to be honest it went abit strange and I saw what looked liked a human figure but the top half sit on my sofa when I was on my dmt blanket in the living room floor. Then I had this issue as I kept producing salvia to the point I had to keep spitting in a cup, I've never had that happen before. This experience put me off doing a 4th round.

 

[doubledog]

Thats interesting too hear that cubes can be on the darker side as not heard thatvother mushrooms maybe abit less harsh.

Check this: Cubes and others

 

[Jamie01]

I used to know a guy in my festival camp/raver group who would make fun of people for taking quarter hits of acid. He did lots of drugs and bragged about it.

Well one day he joined a few of us to vape 5-Me0-DMT and he took a hit…nothing. He wanted more..nothing. I think he tried 3x.

That said a lot.

Dose means nothing. I just want to “trip”. If less is more great. I’ve been the mckenna fanboy in the past and that’s not for me I don’t need that much.

 

[doubledog]

It's absurd and stupid to brag about needing high dose of substances to feel it.
Imo it's a form of disability, similar to colorblindness or deafness.

I admit that I am quite rude to people with this habit.

 

[Davski]

Check this: Cubes and others

Thanks I will jave a read up on this, I had a brief glance it looks interesting.

 

[Davski]

I used to know a guy in my festival camp/raver group who would make fun of people for taking quarter hits of acid. He did lots of drugs and bragged about it.

Well one day he joined a few of us to vape 5-Me0-DMT and he took a hit…nothing. He wanted more..nothing. I think he tried 3x.

That said a lot.

Dose means nothing. I just want to “trip”. If less is more great. I’ve been the mckenna fanboy in the past and that’s not for me I don’t need that much.

When people brag about doing high doses it make others feel that they need to go higher and that can get pretty mentally, emotionally, spirituallly and pyshically dangerous for them. Its funny how people who use pyschedelics can brag about high doses, they obviously are not learning much to have the need to brag.

5-MeO-DMT looks fascinating, not ready for that but one day, i would like to work more on my relationship with N,N-DMT. I am fortunate that the vast majority of times have been amazing but the few times over the last 3 years or so things were challenging is always in the back of my mind. The preflight anxiety is strong me on higher dosages so many times I have decided not to travel as fear comes knocking.

 

[Davski]

It's absurd and stupid to brag about needing high dose of substances to feel it.
Imo it's a form of disability, similar to colorblindness or deafness.

I admit that I am quite rude to people with this habit.

I am grateful i dont need many shrooms or DMT etc to travel, allows me to have more journies. I would like to build up better confidence with N,N-DMT. I think having OCD means part of my character is I like to be in control so I get put off visiting as much as I would like.
It would be nice to climb my dosages of N,N-DMT up where I can have longer experiences, I am extremely grateful for the benefits of pyschedelics, just get rather anxious about them. I have

 

[taita]

It makes a lot of sense to feel anxious around psychedelics. They threaten the ego, are often psychologically uncomfortable, sometimes physically uncomfortable, and are about the most alien thing you can encounter

God I love them. Bless the medicines

 

[yatyas314]

I am just curious how others are with mushrooms, do you enjoy them alot? do you have challenging experiences?

I only use them when I need an extended hard time, what you described seems like them doing their job

am also curious how people do higher dosages of them as the most I have done was 4g of JMF and that was seriously intense visuals, thought loops. I now only need 3gs too have a strong experiences, the thought of going higher doesnt even pop into my head. How do people go higher ? Not that I want to I am just curious

I brew them in tea. I grind them to a powder and then let them steep, then filter the whole thing into the chemex and flavor with lemon and honey anywhere from 14 grams to 26 depending on the dose I need. I am not recommending this to anyone I am just answering what you asked.

 

[Pyramids]

When people brag about doing high doses it make others feel that they need to go higher and that can get pretty mentally, emotionally, spirituallly and pyshically dangerous for them. Its funny how people who use pyschedelics can brag about high doses, they obviously are not learning much to have the need to brag.

5-MeO-DMT looks fascinating, not ready for that but one day, i would like to work more on my relationship with N,N-DMT. I am fortunate that the vast majority of times have been amazing but the few times over the last 3 years or so things were challenging is always in the back of my mind. The preflight anxiety is strong me on higher dosages so many times I have decided not to travel as fear comes knocking.

I am hoping that my previous comments didn't come off as sounding obnoxious in this way. Some of the most powerful experiences I've had have been relatively lower doses. My wife doses considerably lower than i do, in general, but her experiences sound crazier than the numbers indicate.

My comments were really speaking more to the idea that IF you are wanting to do higher doses, this is a skill that is learned like anything else. And the learning of that art comes with an entire host of gifts. There are a lot of parallels between high dose psychonauting and martial arts. One of the many things this has taught me is the sweet art of submission...letting go of the need to defend myself and my borders (down to the level of consciousness). When you follow that thread long enough it is attached to most of the bad shit we have done as a species.

I tell my wife all the time: the most important thing on this path is learning to trust yourself. she has now begun to do higher doses. not because she felt shamed or pressured into it, but because she feels like she is ready and wants to. There is a way in which the lower doses can actually be more difficult. A large majority of those experiences take place at the ego/identity level, dealing with psychological stuff etc. The higher doses tend to launch you beyond that and will inevitably clean that stuff up as a byproduct.

peace << ( • ) >>

 

[taita]

There is a way in which the lower doses can actually be more difficult. A large majority of those experiences take place at the ego/identity level, dealing with psychological stuff etc. The higher doses tend to launch you beyond that and will inevitably clean that stuff up as a byproduct.

I feel that. Lower dose experiences tend to grind more through personal stuff and tend to be more emotional ime, while higher doses are more transpersonal and abstract, and at least for me tend to be less emotional... sometimes hardly emotional at all to the point where they don't even feel like human experiences lol

And of course dosage is pretty subjective. Different people have different receptor densities and therefore sensitivity varies pretty wildly between different people. Or so it seems to me. I mentioned this elsewhere but it seems like it's pretty normal for experienced experiencers to become more sensitive over time. I'm sure that's not universally the case but I've seen it enough in others and have experienced it myself to believe that there is something to it

 

[Davski]

It makes a lot of sense to feel anxious around psychedelics. They threaten the ego, are often psychologically uncomfortable, sometimes physically uncomfortable, and are about the most alien thing you can encounter

God I love them. Bless the medicines

In regards to dmt I wish I didnt have the preflight anxiety with it but I know that's because my ego is scared of being temporarily shut off for a while. The physical sensations are another experience that knocks my confidence with dimitri as had a handfull of times uncomfortable sensations at the start but that goes away quickly and its all good. Im kind of stuck on 25mg at the moment, I am grateful I've got a good technique on my emesh but I would really like to climb higher but fear comes knocking and MR Ego likes to tell me just stay at 25mg or do less.
Meditations, breathing excersises prior to blast off helps me but I do wish I could visit more.
Its funny as I am less anxious with shrooms even tho the experience is pretty much always pyshiscally and mentally uncomfortable for upto 4hrs or so BUT with dimitri its only 30 secs or so when I hold my breath then lie down. Im sure that's because my ego feels more comfortable as its still there, that's why its scared of dimitri.
I too love pyschedelics just wish I could be more brave, I have the utmost respect for them.